Dave Cox to leave QANTAS!!!
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I am sure there is nothing "personal",
but hasn't QF Engineering operation & morale taken a dive in the past 5 to 7 years.
but hasn't QF Engineering operation & morale taken a dive in the past 5 to 7 years.
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DaHai - don't believe everything you read here. Half of the people on this board think they could do a better job than Cox. David is still a nice guy and everyone who I talk to who works with him don't have a bad word to say about him. I wish him well with whatever he does in the future.
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don't believe everything you read here. Half of the people on this board think they could do a better job than Cox. David is still a nice guy and everyone who I talk to who works with him don't have a bad word to say about him. I wish him well with whatever he does in the future.
Good Bye.......Forever!
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The man fought tooth and nail to squash a 6% payrise for all LAMES (costing QANTAS many millions of dollars when a dispute arose) and at the same time gladly taking a 50% payrise for himself........
At a mass meeting with him, when I said I wouldnt be doing overtime he said "we will be docking your pay if you refuse"
Goes to show the people skills of the pr!ck - and he wondered why morale was so bad....................................
He then had the temerity to go on National radio and say that the dispute was the engineers fault........................
At a mass meeting with him, when I said I wouldnt be doing overtime he said "we will be docking your pay if you refuse"
Goes to show the people skills of the pr!ck - and he wondered why morale was so bad....................................
He then had the temerity to go on National radio and say that the dispute was the engineers fault........................
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everyone has an equal voice here not just those with a negative experience.If someone worked with him and found that a good experience good on them for saying so.
as a LAME my experience was not that flash.whether he was a decent enough fellow without the qf suit on I dont know.
I can well understand employees perspective on him.having lost my job elsewhere a few years ago thru no fault of my own its not pretty and an embittering experience all round.
What I will say is that if you take on the contract and the cash that goes with the territory you take all the crap that comes with it.if you dont want the crap dont take on the job.
whilst there is some cheering going on I suspect there will be much more change through out engineering especially in yssy.It will be leaner, procedures must change, empires must be shut down.
as a LAME my experience was not that flash.whether he was a decent enough fellow without the qf suit on I dont know.
I can well understand employees perspective on him.having lost my job elsewhere a few years ago thru no fault of my own its not pretty and an embittering experience all round.
What I will say is that if you take on the contract and the cash that goes with the territory you take all the crap that comes with it.if you dont want the crap dont take on the job.
whilst there is some cheering going on I suspect there will be much more change through out engineering especially in yssy.It will be leaner, procedures must change, empires must be shut down.
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well stated ampclamp, however there are some people who have been in this company a long time and have seen managers (with their brilliant ideas) come and go. The contract that you talk about? Is it said managers or an average lame? I was employed as a lame, not a people/process/business manager. I would like the autonomy to do what I was employed for and not be micro-managed from (it seems) every level that qantas has engaged over the years. Is that too much to ask?
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I thought it was clear, sorry if not.I meant the manager's contract in that its fine to stick up for the guy but in the end if he really is uncomfortable with doing people over he should have left. So in the end does he have no principles and did it for the money despite being a good guy or he thought he was doing a good thing or just didnt give a stuff about those being dismissed ?
I wont miss the management ethos of being a Geoff clone .
I wont miss the management ethos of being a Geoff clone .
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Whilst the culture was fostered by the 'biggest little man' ever to be promoted above his level of competence..Geoff, don't forget this culture had the unashamed supoport of the right wing think tanks that permeated the liberal party and created 'workchoices'
Without a change of government a pronounced downturn would see even more hardship than is currently evident. That hardship would as usual be borne by the rank and file.
As to AJ too early to drop your guard, big on words doesn't translate to any different in practice to his predesessor...
Without a change of government a pronounced downturn would see even more hardship than is currently evident. That hardship would as usual be borne by the rank and file.
As to AJ too early to drop your guard, big on words doesn't translate to any different in practice to his predesessor...
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i will get on the band wagon by saying he was a d$#khead at work in the position he was in,now that he and the rest of his crew have been set adrift ...hopefully now the managers whom were under his control can now shine....hopefully QF engineering can once again be a world leader but the latest news is that we have just lost anz and thai contract so the boys in line will be thinned out and whats happening to the men in cns ????....well i thought we could once again shine but maybe DC took the polish with him
don't forget this culture had the unashamed supoport of the right wing think tanks that permeated the liberal party and created 'workchoices'
QFinsider, all the knowledgable people in the Union arena believe that Dixon thought up Workchoices and then sold it to the Liberal Government of the time. I don't think that things would have been much different if it had been a Labor Government as he has even better links with the ALP. The Unions are very dissapointed with KRudd & his sidekick as the recent changes to IR laws do not completely dismantle Workchoices - it looks like the well heeled employers are still calling the shots.
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Thai last week, ANZ this week, Whats left?
The rot started 3 1/2 years ago when D Cox and M Harris
got rid of the Singapore Airlines handling contract.
Their modus operandi appears the same then and now...
Singapore Air said Qantas had tried to lift the price of the $9 million a year contract by "at least" 30 per cent last week.
It said the price hike was closer to 50 per cent,
given Qantas had decided to stop providing "pushback, water and toilet" servicing to Singapore Air aircraft.
"We had every intention of recontracting Qantas to provide our Australian-based engineering services.
We were surprised in the negotiations that Qantas lifted its rate well above market rates,"
Singapore Air spokeswoman Kate Pratley said.
Since then just about every customer airline has been fooked off, so
by the time the door slaps Cox and Green on the arse it will be too
late, their mission accomplished and the damage done to the future
generations in Qantas line maintenance.
Wish them well? You've got to be joking.
The rot started 3 1/2 years ago when D Cox and M Harris
got rid of the Singapore Airlines handling contract.
Their modus operandi appears the same then and now...
Singapore Air said Qantas had tried to lift the price of the $9 million a year contract by "at least" 30 per cent last week.
It said the price hike was closer to 50 per cent,
given Qantas had decided to stop providing "pushback, water and toilet" servicing to Singapore Air aircraft.
"We had every intention of recontracting Qantas to provide our Australian-based engineering services.
We were surprised in the negotiations that Qantas lifted its rate well above market rates,"
Singapore Air spokeswoman Kate Pratley said.
Since then just about every customer airline has been fooked off, so
by the time the door slaps Cox and Green on the arse it will be too
late, their mission accomplished and the damage done to the future
generations in Qantas line maintenance.
Wish them well? You've got to be joking.
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The board of Qantas were divided
To shut down (Syd Hvy) or not to shut down, they could not make a decision (apparently GD did not want to shut it down) so.........they asked David Cox to make a decision.
Being the insipid and ill informed individual that he is, he blubbered, he stammered he could not make a decision so..............he asked John Vincent to make a decision
After about five minutes John Vincent said Shut it down........
When the ALAEA came to town for the EBA roadshow the President stood before us and said that when questioned about who made the decision and whether he could sleep at night, JV said
"I am absolutely proud of my decision to shut Sydney Heavy Maintenance down and I sleep very comfortably"
Yes, GD, KB, MH, PS, JM and DC were a good start but to kill a cancer you need to cut it all out, I say when you, JV and the rest of the filth management you dragged with you from Ansett are gone, then and only then will reparation begin at Qantas until then the war rages on.....................
To shut down (Syd Hvy) or not to shut down, they could not make a decision (apparently GD did not want to shut it down) so.........they asked David Cox to make a decision.
Being the insipid and ill informed individual that he is, he blubbered, he stammered he could not make a decision so..............he asked John Vincent to make a decision
After about five minutes John Vincent said Shut it down........
When the ALAEA came to town for the EBA roadshow the President stood before us and said that when questioned about who made the decision and whether he could sleep at night, JV said
"I am absolutely proud of my decision to shut Sydney Heavy Maintenance down and I sleep very comfortably"
Yes, GD, KB, MH, PS, JM and DC were a good start but to kill a cancer you need to cut it all out, I say when you, JV and the rest of the filth management you dragged with you from Ansett are gone, then and only then will reparation begin at Qantas until then the war rages on.....................