well stated ampclamp, however there are some people who have been in this company a long time and have seen managers (with their brilliant ideas) come and go. The contract that you talk about? Is it said managers or an average lame? I was employed as a lame, not a people/process/business manager. I would like the autonomy to do what I was employed for and not be micro-managed from (it seems) every level that qantas has engaged over the years. Is that too much to ask?