RNZAF Pilots to Fly Air NZ Maybe
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Ahhhhh - children Children CHILDREN !
Sit down and be quiet.
Now lets stop the playground bitching and all live together like one big happy family.
- What a waste of breath and energy that statement was.
Frankly, I enjoy working in Europe/Middle East, Soviet states, North Africa with 300hr TT F/Os from several nations. They all have a great 'open' attitude to flying and working with Capts from different nations. We all live and WORK together happily. Even speak different languages on the flight deck and in the cabin. Great having language lessons after flying at dinner - or is that 'dessert?'
!! mmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMM 
Sit down and be quiet.
Now lets stop the playground bitching and all live together like one big happy family.
- What a waste of breath and energy that statement was.
Frankly, I enjoy working in Europe/Middle East, Soviet states, North Africa with 300hr TT F/Os from several nations. They all have a great 'open' attitude to flying and working with Capts from different nations. We all live and WORK together happily. Even speak different languages on the flight deck and in the cabin. Great having language lessons after flying at dinner - or is that 'dessert?'
!! mmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMM
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The fact that the RNZAF pilots have low hours is not the real concern here.
My problem with these guys is that they are military pilots on military pay scales being used in a civilian work place. The RNZAF is paying Air NZ to train them and they are also paying their salaries.
Air NZ issued a statement a few days ago threatening to make pilots at Air Nsn and Eagle redundent because ATC towers were going to close for lunch. Both those airlines have the capacity to operate into uncontrolled airspace and do so at the moment. There was no need to make that threat unless Air NZ is looking for an excuse to reduce pilot numbers because they have just found a source of FREE RNZAF pilots.
For those of you that have gone overseas and been successful go on you. It is sad that that you struggle to return home and have your experience recognised but that is true of many other professions. Several of my friends outside of aviation did their OEs got great jobs that where very well paid. When they returned home the opportunities here were not the same and many left again.
In order for the oppurtunities in this country to be brought up to those available overseas we have to fight for better working conditions. If Air NZ are allowed to use RNZAF pilots that incur no cost to them then the pool of union pilots is reduced and negoiating for better conditions will become so much harder.
My problem with these guys is that they are military pilots on military pay scales being used in a civilian work place. The RNZAF is paying Air NZ to train them and they are also paying their salaries.
Air NZ issued a statement a few days ago threatening to make pilots at Air Nsn and Eagle redundent because ATC towers were going to close for lunch. Both those airlines have the capacity to operate into uncontrolled airspace and do so at the moment. There was no need to make that threat unless Air NZ is looking for an excuse to reduce pilot numbers because they have just found a source of FREE RNZAF pilots.
For those of you that have gone overseas and been successful go on you. It is sad that that you struggle to return home and have your experience recognised but that is true of many other professions. Several of my friends outside of aviation did their OEs got great jobs that where very well paid. When they returned home the opportunities here were not the same and many left again.
In order for the oppurtunities in this country to be brought up to those available overseas we have to fight for better working conditions. If Air NZ are allowed to use RNZAF pilots that incur no cost to them then the pool of union pilots is reduced and negoiating for better conditions will become so much harder.
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i've heard that because they are supposedly above established numbers, the RNZAF guys are not displacing anyone and there's not much they can do other than monitor the established strength and make sure the company doesn't "forget" to hire new co's to maintain the required numbers....
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I believe the company has done a back pedal and the last two FO slots in Wellington have been allocated to the RNZAF which will bring the WN base upto the required establishment numbers. This is only rumour mind so only time will tell.
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So I'm guessing Air Nelson will require an exemption for these guy's. I doubt they comply with rule 121.511 in regards to either the total time or ATO time. Good to know the CAA is prepared to change the rules when it suits 
. I'm well aware exemptions have been granted for this rule in the past but (to my knowledge) only for the likes of experienced Instructors or ex Air Force guys who only lacked the ATO time.
. I'm well aware exemptions have been granted for this rule in the past but (to my knowledge) only for the likes of experienced Instructors or ex Air Force guys who only lacked the ATO time.121.511 Pilot experience
The certificate holder shall ensure that each person acting as a pilot, other
than as pilot-in-command, of an aeroplane, prior to commencing the
training specified in Subpart I or Subpart M—
(1) has acquired at least 500 hours of flight time as a pilot, including
at least 100 hours of flight time in air operations; and
(2) has acquired at least 25 hours of night flight experience; and
(3) holds a current instrument rating.than as pilot-in-command, of an aeroplane, prior to commencing the
training specified in Subpart I or Subpart M—
(1) has acquired at least 500 hours of flight time as a pilot, including
at least 100 hours of flight time in air operations; and
(2) has acquired at least 25 hours of night flight experience; and
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I believe the company has done a back pedal and the last two FO slots in Wellington have been allocated to the RNZAF which will bring the WN base upto the required establishment numbers.
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So I'm guessing Air Nelson will require an exemption for these guy's. I doubt they comply with rule 121.511 in regards to either the total time or ATO time. Good to know the CAA is prepared to change the rules when it suits . I'm well aware exemptions have been granted for this rule in the past but (to my knowledge) only for the likes of experienced Instructors or ex Air Force guys who only lacked the ATO time.
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Is this not the case for anyone going to Air Nelson with less than 100 hours ATO? I think there are a few ex instructors that wouldnt have any ATO time, therefore needing an exemption as well. Are they any different than the RNZAF guys in terms of CAA regs?
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I understood that Air Nelson had an exemption for new pilots starting on the SAAB, but that exemption was withdrawn with the introduction of the Dh8-300.
Maybe the exemption has been re-issued...
Maybe the exemption has been re-issued...
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Refer to ICAO De-Icing Tables: Holdover Times
Do you know what these are?
- Obviously not due to your question
Check Type IV details - Don't think this exists in OZ/NZ
Refer to ICAO De-Icing Tables: Holdover Times
Do you know what these are?
- Obviously not due to your question
Check Type IV details - Don't think this exists in OZ/NZ
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Flyboy 007.....
Perhaps you've taken leave of your senses, taking off in freezing fog is no problem with the correct type of fluid, at the correct concerntration....in fact its no bother at all, I did it in Chicago a few months ago..and lived to tell the tail
This is all wrong btw, the RNZAF should stick to inflating their egos' and being frustrated they don't have anymore fastjets...they should leave flying airliners to the professionals IMHO
Perhaps you've taken leave of your senses, taking off in freezing fog is no problem with the correct type of fluid, at the correct concerntration....in fact its no bother at all, I did it in Chicago a few months ago..and lived to tell the tail
This is all wrong btw, the RNZAF should stick to inflating their egos' and being frustrated they don't have anymore fastjets...they should leave flying airliners to the professionals IMHO
Which was it Haughts, not selected or chopped?
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Good point slamer, YVR, LHR, PEK all come to mind -they're all ANZ B777/747 routes...
Freezing fog T/O's are allowed in the ANZ B777's as long as Boeing's Bulletin 9R2 is complied with.
PF99, give us a break, while some of us may not be based in Europe/UK etc it doesn't mean that we don't get to see nasty wx phenomenon. And as far as your hassling of Max Rate goes, I know the guy and couldn't think of a more intelligent, level headed, damn good CRM displaying pilot. The fact that some of us choose to stay in "Tiny Tot" land may just be because we place living and raising a family in NZ ahead of career progression.....
SGP
Freezing fog T/O's are allowed in the ANZ B777's as long as Boeing's Bulletin 9R2 is complied with.
PF99, give us a break, while some of us may not be based in Europe/UK etc it doesn't mean that we don't get to see nasty wx phenomenon. And as far as your hassling of Max Rate goes, I know the guy and couldn't think of a more intelligent, level headed, damn good CRM displaying pilot. The fact that some of us choose to stay in "Tiny Tot" land may just be because we place living and raising a family in NZ ahead of career progression.....
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Neither Cribble, I went off to uni and got myself a couple of degrees' and I'm currently working on my third in my spare time
My point is, the RNZAF have no business in the world of commercial aviation, much like I have no business in the world of military aviation.
My point is, the RNZAF have no business in the world of commercial aviation, much like I have no business in the world of military aviation.
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