Australian ATC to strike
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Fly_by_Wire - apparently there are 97 ALMS (that's right, 10% of the 'official number' of ATC's no longer actually control aircraft)
but not all of them are Civilair members, so they did not all get a ballot paper.
but not all of them are Civilair members, so they did not all get a ballot paper.
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The first shots in this "ATC war" have been fired publicly and Civil Air is doing nothing other than release news via its website....I agree with a previous poster...the defamation campaign was always going to start by ASA management and their contacts, and they were always going to bring up doctored figures...Civil Air's response? who knows...nobody cares to read it...and ATCs hope to win the campaign???
A few full page adds in the Australian and other leading newspapers highlighting the bungling ineffectiveness of the CEO, plus the real status and demands of both parties will give you a shot at being in the race...otherwise....ATCs will lose, and their gripes will be heard on Civil Air's website, for the benefit of the few affected, and ignored by those whose opinions might help thurn things in ATC's favour.
This is the moment for a Public awareness campaign!
A few full page adds in the Australian and other leading newspapers highlighting the bungling ineffectiveness of the CEO, plus the real status and demands of both parties will give you a shot at being in the race...otherwise....ATCs will lose, and their gripes will be heard on Civil Air's website, for the benefit of the few affected, and ignored by those whose opinions might help thurn things in ATC's favour.
This is the moment for a Public awareness campaign!
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Biased media
I guess this is also a biased report since the author has been dummy spitting on this issue for some time. The reason I keep seeing this stuff is that I find Business Spectator and Crikey have the guts to have a go, right or wrong.
Air traffic controllers endorse possible industrial action - Plane Talking
Air traffic controllers endorse possible industrial action - Plane Talking
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You're gonna have to do a hellofalot better than just a 'PR Consultant'.
Doesn't matter how righteous you are!
Believe me, a lot of journalists are lazy. Most often, you can write the spin, send it off to them, and it will appear in their column - if it's done right - and by the right people.
Civil Air had better invest a considerable amount of its war chest in engaging a heavy duty advertising agency to spin this up - and that should be done, and an ad campaign put in place before the strike happens.
If your ads can 'propanagadise' the truth and make the government nervous, you'll be on to something.
If you don't - you're sure to get creamed by ASA management, and the government who will only look at what kind of impact it will have on their popularity.
That's the real world.
Forget it. Save your money. It won't matter what you say you will be the bad guys. Either accept that and to hell with the PR or don't take industrial action.
Believe me, a lot of journalists are lazy. Most often, you can write the spin, send it off to them, and it will appear in their column - if it's done right - and by the right people.
Civil Air had better invest a considerable amount of its war chest in engaging a heavy duty advertising agency to spin this up - and that should be done, and an ad campaign put in place before the strike happens.
If your ads can 'propanagadise' the truth and make the government nervous, you'll be on to something.
If you don't - you're sure to get creamed by ASA management, and the government who will only look at what kind of impact it will have on their popularity.
That's the real world.
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Full page ad= $50-70k. Civilair has a membership of less than 1000.
ASA are quite willing to waste the airlines money, PR dept with 50 staff. Dick Dudley the head of PR is in the upper echelons, with a commensurate salary. Civilair cannot really afford to spend the money which will not guarantee balanced reporting anyway.
Rest assured Civilair puts out media releases too, however you can't force journalists to read them, or actually report the facts.
ASA are quite willing to waste the airlines money, PR dept with 50 staff. Dick Dudley the head of PR is in the upper echelons, with a commensurate salary. Civilair cannot really afford to spend the money which will not guarantee balanced reporting anyway.
Rest assured Civilair puts out media releases too, however you can't force journalists to read them, or actually report the facts.
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People - eyes on the prize.
Let's not provide the hacks with fodder. Let the CoM make the public running and the public comment. Believe that the public will think that every controller should be hung drawn and quartered.
Believe the networks will run the stories of mums and dads who missed weddings, sons who missed cricket matches and daughters who dipped out on the gymnastics quals.
Believe that the only people who will be your friends are the guys and gals sitting next to you at the stop work meeting.
Believe that solidarity is required and that ultimately the onus will fall on individuals.
Eyes on the prize.
Let's not provide the hacks with fodder. Let the CoM make the public running and the public comment. Believe that the public will think that every controller should be hung drawn and quartered.
Believe the networks will run the stories of mums and dads who missed weddings, sons who missed cricket matches and daughters who dipped out on the gymnastics quals.
Believe that the only people who will be your friends are the guys and gals sitting next to you at the stop work meeting.
Believe that solidarity is required and that ultimately the onus will fall on individuals.
Eyes on the prize.
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Believe that the only people who will be your friends are the guys and gals sitting next to you at the stop work meeting.
During this time however it would also be a good idea to keep track of the amount of sick leave to counter the predictable response from ASA that the amount of sick leave has increased and that's why there are so many airspace closures.
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I've always advocated the "softly softly" approach myself 
but what about some tricks from the Dick Smith playbook? Was Warren Truss under parliamentary privilege when he made those untruthful and defamatory statements reported in the Australian? Politicians just get used to lying, yet rarely seem to get called on it. A simple writ may get a LOT of press coverage, and help highlight the true position.
It depends on how hard you want to play, I guess.
but what about some tricks from the Dick Smith playbook? Was Warren Truss under parliamentary privilege when he made those untruthful and defamatory statements reported in the Australian? Politicians just get used to lying, yet rarely seem to get called on it. A simple writ may get a LOT of press coverage, and help highlight the true position. It depends on how hard you want to play, I guess.
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Totally agree with all the other posters throwing their support behind the ATC'ers who do a great job, a 90% yes vote in favour of industrial action shows you guys are very unhappy with the current state of affairs. We saw with the Qantas Engineers in their negotiations that they only needed to impose an overtime ban to get Qantas to come to the party. Good luck and hope the situation is resolved quickly.
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Hempy me ol'
Picture a spoilt child .... aged ...errrmm .... 5 or so ...... balling and screaming over a spilt ice-cream 
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... not just begun ........ ITS OVER AND OUT !!!! .... unless of course the regulator and government say otherwise .....
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If Dick has his way he'll be getting radar vectors onto a 5 mile final at GDO...
As Karen Carpenter once so hauntingly put it, it's 'only just begun'..
As Karen Carpenter once so hauntingly put it, it's 'only just begun'..
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... not just begun ........ ITS OVER AND OUT !!!! .... unless of course the regulator and government say otherwise .....
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[Was Warren Truss under parliamentary privilege when he made those untruthful and defamatory statements reported in the Australian? Politicians just get used to lying, yet rarely seem to get called on it. A simple writ may get a LOT of press coverage, and help highlight the true position.]
I emailed Mr Truss yesterday after reading his comments. I, very politely, corrected a few of his "misperceptions". Haven't hear anything back yet......
I emailed Mr Truss yesterday after reading his comments. I, very politely, corrected a few of his "misperceptions". Haven't hear anything back yet......
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Fire with Fire
"Truss Alleges Firemen, Nurses Work Only 19 Weeks Per Year"
Truss-logic applied to any shiftworker......4 on, 4 off less 7 weeks annual leave equals 19 weeks.
Fight fire with fire. Journo's would leap on press releases if they were written with that sort of headline. Truss would certainly think twice about opening his gob on the matter any further. Being a polly, it would probably be more effective than a writ. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Not to mention how many weeks pollies work based on parliamentary sitting days........
Just an idea.
Fire with fire (or firemen).
Truss-logic applied to any shiftworker......4 on, 4 off less 7 weeks annual leave equals 19 weeks.
Fight fire with fire. Journo's would leap on press releases if they were written with that sort of headline. Truss would certainly think twice about opening his gob on the matter any further. Being a polly, it would probably be more effective than a writ. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Not to mention how many weeks pollies work based on parliamentary sitting days........
Just an idea.
Fire with fire (or firemen).