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Pilots at M****r were yesterday, forced to take all their leave. If they had none accrued then they were forced to take leave without pay.
Not sure on numbers.
Full of it am i ?
Not sure on numbers.
Full of it am i ?
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I do believe that you said "20 pilots to be laid off tomorrow!"
not exactly the same... but pretty close.
either way, a terrible thing to happen at this time of year, or any time for that matter.
not exactly the same... but pretty close.
either way, a terrible thing to happen at this time of year, or any time for that matter.
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"How does an operator force you to take leave?? "
quite simply, if so empowered by the employee's workplace agreement/ AWA/ individual contract/award the employer says you, you and you... don't come back for 3 weeks, and then you three sit on the beach when they get back.
It's called reducing leave liability and makes a ledger look better, particularly if there is a quiet patch.
quite simply, if so empowered by the employee's workplace agreement/ AWA/ individual contract/award the employer says you, you and you... don't come back for 3 weeks, and then you three sit on the beach when they get back.
It's called reducing leave liability and makes a ledger look better, particularly if there is a quiet patch.
Nunc est bibendum
How does an operator force you to take leave??
They were all assigned out standing annual leave (a couple of weeks a roster) and even long service leave when the A330s were gifted across to Jetstar. I won't comment on the issue that Jetstar at the time were desperately short of qualified A330 drivers with their guys flying max hours. 
Being forced to take paid leave in tough times is a fair enough call as it gets a debt off the company's books. It's better to have had the paid leave than to have been stiffed for it when the company folds.
However, forcing employees to take unpaid leave without actually paying out redundancy is what the Yanks would describe as furlough. This should have the effect of releasing the affected employees from any training bonds and obviously allows them to work elsewhere, including for the opposition. Forced, unpaid leave can be a gift, when looked at in that light.
However, forcing employees to take unpaid leave without actually paying out redundancy is what the Yanks would describe as furlough. This should have the effect of releasing the affected employees from any training bonds and obviously allows them to work elsewhere, including for the opposition. Forced, unpaid leave can be a gift, when looked at in that light.
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Funny isn't, companies ask pilots to defer leave because they have insufficient crews to cover their operations, then when things quieten down, they force you to go on leave when you don't want to.
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I ask this because I simply don't know but what's the legal implications if an employee refuses to take leave? I would have thought unless it's written as allowable in a work place agreement then it would be construded as illegal.
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Zaadum, the M****r is a bit of a piss-take from some time back when their management threatened Pprune with legal action because of some negative comment which named them. So, to continue the negative comment, contributors started the thin concealment. Perhaps we should have codes for all operators, so we can really get stuck into those that deserve it.
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Its all very true from what I hear. No $ to pay bills, 1 A/C parked at YCNY due bird in motor, two motors burnt out from O'temp in icing. Debts with refuelers/ caterers/ ground handling / Sim providers / maintenance all outstanding.
Too many crew, too few A/C, all staff told to expect redundancies. New A/C orders on hold. Seems like the world financial melt down has taken a strong hold in Nth Qld good and proper! However have heard of mergers in the wind also?
SAW? REX? Could this be real?
Hope they can resolve the issues and no one loses a job!
Too many crew, too few A/C, all staff told to expect redundancies. New A/C orders on hold. Seems like the world financial melt down has taken a strong hold in Nth Qld good and proper! However have heard of mergers in the wind also?
SAW? REX? Could this be real?
Hope they can resolve the issues and no one loses a job!
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Who cares,
1. "Two motors burnt out" : Get your facts straight : overtemp for a matter of seconds causes an inspection. Cheaper to replace the ENGINE with the spare and check it out/rebuild out of the aircraft.
2. Most of the ****** guys and girls are flying with the main airlines now and all of the crew are experienced and hold the required regulatory requirements for their positions.
3. Because a QF flight lands long and runs off the runway, doesn't make QF crews inexperienced.
4. Theres a subject called human factors, I suggest you study it.
5. I hope you don't ever F^%K up, because judging by your reponse we will all crucify you and send you off to the funny farm. But then, who cares about GA Pilots.
1. "Two motors burnt out" : Get your facts straight : overtemp for a matter of seconds causes an inspection. Cheaper to replace the ENGINE with the spare and check it out/rebuild out of the aircraft.
2. Most of the ****** guys and girls are flying with the main airlines now and all of the crew are experienced and hold the required regulatory requirements for their positions.
3. Because a QF flight lands long and runs off the runway, doesn't make QF crews inexperienced.
4. Theres a subject called human factors, I suggest you study it.
5. I hope you don't ever F^%K up, because judging by your reponse we will all crucify you and send you off to the funny farm. But then, who cares about GA Pilots.
....many businesses and airlines/plants/defence etc 'roster' leave and use the slow time in the business cycle to use up leave. pilots with 6 wks leave builds up real quick when not taken - so whatz the surprise here.../?
anyway i figure that "PPRune Airlines" owned and operated by the expert members here won't suffer any of the issues that befall QF/DJ/ and all the others...
sold!!!!
shhhhhhhhhh we have to kill u for talking about this..
bit like QF & BA merger....who leaked that??? but mergers are all the go..
anyway i figure that "PPRune Airlines" owned and operated by the expert members here won't suffer any of the issues that befall QF/DJ/ and all the others...
sold!!!!
shhhhhhhhhh we have to kill u for talking about this..bit like QF & BA merger....who leaked that??? but mergers are all the go..
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So anybody out there close to the source able to say what were the events leading up to the over temping the engine(s) on the SAAB in icing conditions?
If my memory serves me, the SAAB is certified to fly in known icing, so what went wrong???
If my memory serves me, the SAAB is certified to fly in known icing, so what went wrong???
on descent into BNE and were maintained at a level by ATC for some reason. got into heavy icing and got slow!!!!!. put on the coal etc etc...seems like somone should have been monitoring things a bit better - remember a Kendalls/REX Saab went somewhat over near Melbourne some time ago - slow in ice,,,,,
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Hey Mods
A few posts missing here.......and while they were not about annual leave, neither are the ones about icing and o/temp engines.
The post about fuel was not really a rumour.....it was from "a horses mouth", and that same horse happens to be a well known ppruner, and here is the edited contents of his PM
And yes he is the refueller.......and no he is not from Townsville 
If you really think this is not newsworthy, delete this post too..... at least then I will understand why.
J
A few posts missing here.......and while they were not about annual leave, neither are the ones about icing and o/temp engines.
The post about fuel was not really a rumour.....it was from "a horses mouth", and that same horse happens to be a well known ppruner, and here is the edited contents of his PM
fuel
jaba,
true, no credit.
###.
jaba,
true, no credit.
###.
If you really think this is not newsworthy, delete this post too..... at least then I will understand why.
J