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Jabawocky I notice a few posts go missing from various threads & I only log on some times to see them then go bush. I guess the Mods are there to protect, not sure what though!
Not being too far up the 'pilot tree' as yet (green) I read a lot of posts that are down right nasty, is it just aviation or am I too nice/nieve to not see what some are trying to get across here & in other threads?
Flyinggit.
Not being too far up the 'pilot tree' as yet (green) I read a lot of posts that are down right nasty, is it just aviation or am I too nice/nieve to not see what some are trying to get across here & in other threads?
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minger. you are closest to the truth. Much of the rumour mill is 99% bulls***t. No one; repeat, no one has been FORCED to take unpaid leave. That may have been an option, but is not mandatory. Because of the general shortage of pilots in the past year or so, leave has been hard to get. Now there is a large backlog owing, things are slowing down, so why not take it where you can to help out.
a friend owns a largish business in another industry and leave is applied to nearly everyone at Xmas/New Year.
per MT's comment nothing suspicious about a company trying to get rid of leave liabilities when possible. HAPPY HOLIDAYS I SAY>>>
re FBbrothers...heard that Oz Minerals @ Century could be going the other way due to massive losses there and curtailment of activity. I guess this is the market at work. who says anything is forever!
per MT's comment nothing suspicious about a company trying to get rid of leave liabilities when possible. HAPPY HOLIDAYS I SAY>>>
re FBbrothers...heard that Oz Minerals @ Century could be going the other way due to massive losses there and curtailment of activity. I guess this is the market at work. who says anything is forever!
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flyinggitYou are quite right and some times the posts are a bit too risky (guilty at times ) but when I said I heard a rumour..... what I should have said was I heard from a very reliable source.Maybe the Mod concerned could not see that it was not a nasty post but one where some fact may have been involved for a change. Tough job for them!J
I heard Unity up for sale, time to get out
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Alliance has pretty much been for sale from day one. The major owner has always said everything is for sale for the right price. They have also told the staff a few times that if things go bad they will become a leasing company.
TBM-legend. mate you are a tosser. i have been flying planes a while now and your comment stinks of someone who reckons he doesn't make mistakes. just remember that real people are involved out there and your silly comments on pprune aren't helping.
the p in pprune stands for professional champ.
the p in pprune stands for professional champ.
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The sackings have begun!!! 
Several 'meetings' with CP booked in this week for crew that have any blotch on their record. Swiftly shown the door apparently. Cheaper than sacking them I suppose, oh and by the way you still owe us $15k!! Nice money making move smackair.
Sad times, get out while you can guys...
Several 'meetings' with CP booked in this week for crew that have any blotch on their record. Swiftly shown the door apparently. Cheaper than sacking them I suppose, oh and by the way you still owe us $15k!! Nice money making move smackair.
Sad times, get out while you can guys...
If the 15k you mention is for a training bond, and they sack you, make you redundant or even furlough you (i.e. send you on leave without pay) they have NO rights to recover the bond.
Bonds are only there for when YOU do the runner and they have to train a replacement.
And if they don't pay you every last cent of leave earned, plus whatever the notice period is (one month, or often in aviation three months) this can be recovered through the courts.
Really the only way they can get out owing YOU money is to go bankrupt. And if they trade while insolvent, the directors are in deep poo.
Bonds are only there for when YOU do the runner and they have to train a replacement.
And if they don't pay you every last cent of leave earned, plus whatever the notice period is (one month, or often in aviation three months) this can be recovered through the courts.
Really the only way they can get out owing YOU money is to go bankrupt. And if they trade while insolvent, the directors are in deep poo.
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Are you sure about this BR?
Pilot redundancies ?
That’s a big call.
Can anyone else confirm this?
I know they are overburdened with flight attendants in Brisbane due to not getting the additional ATR. So potentially there could be a few lay offs in that department.
Regarding the bond and being made redundant. At M****R if you are made redundant then as far as the bond goes it is waivered and you go on your merry way to find another job. (Yes, I know, not as many merry jobs to choose from anymore).
Remember because they no longer need you then they are the ones breaking the bond, so they waiver any remaining costs.
This was well set out in the bond document I had. (Must see if I still have a copy somewhere). However there is a new EBA recently voted in and may have changed the bond(definitely don’t have a copy of that one).
As far as I know there were only two pilots that have been asked to move onto other jobs. Separate reasons for each and months apart, many months ago. Both cases NO training costs were required to be re-paid to the company.
So I can’t see management pursuing training costs if you go on the history of the last few cases.
So if you were made redundant (that’s a big unconfirmed if) then you would be smart to dig out the Current EBA and go over it very closely.
That is, unless you did something willfully negligent against company property, now that is a different matter.
Plenty of negligent decisions made in city office I can recall. (Loosing the BHP contract, unreal).
Anyone on the inside with accurate info regarding the present state of play?
Pilot redundancies ?
That’s a big call.
Can anyone else confirm this?
I know they are overburdened with flight attendants in Brisbane due to not getting the additional ATR. So potentially there could be a few lay offs in that department.
Regarding the bond and being made redundant. At M****R if you are made redundant then as far as the bond goes it is waivered and you go on your merry way to find another job. (Yes, I know, not as many merry jobs to choose from anymore).
Remember because they no longer need you then they are the ones breaking the bond, so they waiver any remaining costs.
This was well set out in the bond document I had. (Must see if I still have a copy somewhere). However there is a new EBA recently voted in and may have changed the bond(definitely don’t have a copy of that one).
As far as I know there were only two pilots that have been asked to move onto other jobs. Separate reasons for each and months apart, many months ago. Both cases NO training costs were required to be re-paid to the company.
So I can’t see management pursuing training costs if you go on the history of the last few cases.
So if you were made redundant (that’s a big unconfirmed if) then you would be smart to dig out the Current EBA and go over it very closely.
That is, unless you did something willfully negligent against company property, now that is a different matter.
Plenty of negligent decisions made in city office I can recall. (Loosing the BHP contract, unreal).
Anyone on the inside with accurate info regarding the present state of play?
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Redundancies at MacDog not exactly news
****** streamlines operations and sheds staff | Townsville Bulletin News
No pilots are affected.
All staff asked to take leave as previously mentioned.
F/As told to take leave or lay offs inevitable in that department
(a bit of over recruitment for TSV & BNE bases recently)
Line training continuing for new starts and upgrades so business as usual in flight ops
New Aircraft due in the new year (yeah i know heard that before too)
BR not sure where you get your info but would be good if you could stick to the facts.
The boys and girls at MacDog could live without this sort of speculation especially the 35 people in Townsville that won't be having such a good festive season.
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****** streamlines operations and sheds staff | Townsville Bulletin News
No pilots are affected.
All staff asked to take leave as previously mentioned.
F/As told to take leave or lay offs inevitable in that department
(a bit of over recruitment for TSV & BNE bases recently)
Line training continuing for new starts and upgrades so business as usual in flight ops
New Aircraft due in the new year (yeah i know heard that before too)
BR not sure where you get your info but would be good if you could stick to the facts.
The boys and girls at MacDog could live without this sort of speculation especially the 35 people in Townsville that won't be having such a good festive season.
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ABC radio news 8am today
Company Owner states that they may have to close the doors if the State Government does not give them seven million dollars in extra grant money.
State Government Minister responded that 3 mil maybe ok only.
Stated if that was not ok services could go to open tender.
Company Owner states that they may have to close the doors if the State Government does not give them seven million dollars in extra grant money.
State Government Minister responded that 3 mil maybe ok only.
Stated if that was not ok services could go to open tender.
Bottums Up
****** seeks $7m Govt lifeline - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
[quote'"ABC News Website"]
M@cAir seeks $7m Govt lifeline
Regional airline M@cAir says it may be forced to stop flying unless it gets financial help from the Queensland Government.
The company employs more than 220 people across the state.
M@cAir already gets a $4.7 million subsidy every year from the Government to provide air services to remote locations, including Thargomindah, Bedourie, Birdsville and Winton.
But M@cAir managing director Terry Byrt says more money is needed to clear longstanding debt and ensure the airline can continue trading.
"I have asked the State Government for an ex gratia payment of $7 million," he said.
"We've been there for the long haul up-to-date and we want to continue to be Queensland's regional airline."
Mr Bryt says the Government has offered an extra $3 million a year if minimum service levels are met and he is seeking a meeting with the Premier to ask for more funding.
"We cannot continue to lose money like we're losing on the contracts - there's no business that can go down the path continually losing money," he said.
"We certainly wouldn't be doing the Queensland contract very much longer if we don't get some real support from the Queensland Government."
In a letter to local councils, Mr Byrt says without any financial assistance the company would have no choice but to cease trading.
Transport Minister John Mickel says he does not think the Government is in a position to provide $7 million of extra assistance to M@cAir.
He says the company needs to improve its performance in remote areas and if it cannot contracts should be renegotiated.
"If the company is unable to accept these arrangements then what I genuinely believe is it be in the interests of Queenslanders as a whole that we go back to an open tender," Mr Mickel said.
"I think that is the best way - the best outcome for the community."[/quote]
Bugga.
[quote'"ABC News Website"]
M@cAir seeks $7m Govt lifeline
Regional airline M@cAir says it may be forced to stop flying unless it gets financial help from the Queensland Government.
The company employs more than 220 people across the state.
M@cAir already gets a $4.7 million subsidy every year from the Government to provide air services to remote locations, including Thargomindah, Bedourie, Birdsville and Winton.
But M@cAir managing director Terry Byrt says more money is needed to clear longstanding debt and ensure the airline can continue trading.
"I have asked the State Government for an ex gratia payment of $7 million," he said.
"We've been there for the long haul up-to-date and we want to continue to be Queensland's regional airline."
Mr Bryt says the Government has offered an extra $3 million a year if minimum service levels are met and he is seeking a meeting with the Premier to ask for more funding.
"We cannot continue to lose money like we're losing on the contracts - there's no business that can go down the path continually losing money," he said.
"We certainly wouldn't be doing the Queensland contract very much longer if we don't get some real support from the Queensland Government."
In a letter to local councils, Mr Byrt says without any financial assistance the company would have no choice but to cease trading.
Transport Minister John Mickel says he does not think the Government is in a position to provide $7 million of extra assistance to M@cAir.
He says the company needs to improve its performance in remote areas and if it cannot contracts should be renegotiated.
"If the company is unable to accept these arrangements then what I genuinely believe is it be in the interests of Queenslanders as a whole that we go back to an open tender," Mr Mickel said.
"I think that is the best way - the best outcome for the community."[/quote]
Bugga.
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Predators in the shadows
Guess who in Singapore is smacking his lips waiting to prowl?
Could be a convenient way to 'save face' and reopen their Brissy base on the cheap....
Could be a convenient way to 'save face' and reopen their Brissy base on the cheap....
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