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Old 18th Dec 2008, 08:23
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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure someone will, but isn't Delta one of those ageing dinosaur legacy carriers with old aircraft and even older flight attendants.

If i am correct, they wont be much competition with V in regard to interiors and cabin service, but the US based feeder network may prove a bonus for them.

The other point worth noting is that V isn't the only airline in the world that has identified the LAX-SYD route as a money spinner. Unlike V, Delta have no pressure to start in the middle of the worst economic downturn in living memory, they could delay as long as they wanted, but instead they are choosing to do so in these uncertain times. Could it be that they are concerned that if they let V establish on the route now, then it would be even harder to gain market share once the economies recover.

But then again, i guess the rocket scientists here will have a good reason why Delta management know nothing about running airlines and are about to bring the company to its knees by flying the pacific.

Hard hat on and back to the trenches.
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Old 18th Dec 2008, 09:40
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It will only work if business travel goes up, which it won't. VAus will be really sucking wind as it ramps up without a history of business travel clientele. Maybe it will work, but it's less than hopeful, especially with the Airbus 380 and other large capacity aircraft on the same route.
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Old 18th Dec 2008, 09:49
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How will the announcement by Delta (that they are to operate ATL - LAX - SYD) in the new year, effect the thought process
My understanding is that V Australia will code share with Virgin America, Delta, Virgin Atlantic and a number of other airlines. I'm even told that Altantic will drop a couple of their Sydney routes which will be picked up by VA overnight on the basis they have the capacity to do so.

Perhaps there's somebody from VA that can clarify?
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 10:19
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Are people forgetting that LA is the launch route. there are plenty of other flying planned in asia and yarpie land at the moment. Stay tuned for the latest in the coming months.
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 10:38
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Are people forgetting that LA is the launch route. there are plenty of other flying planned in asia
Thats a relief ! There just is not enough capacity up here, especially since the world economy went to s**t
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 11:35
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Sarcasm noted, but don't you think there will be several bankruptcies to clear the way. I'm not sure the Delta routing is not the last hurrah for that mob.
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 20:48
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Are people forgetting that LA is the launch route. there are plenty of other flying planned in asia and yarpie land
More routes on which to fly empty aircraft around. When the cash reserves approach the funding guarantee requirements (> 200 million), what happens then? Tying this in with interest rate requirements on the EMB in the next few years means the whole company needs a massive upturn in profitability to get over the line.

Mr Godfrey, for f@cks sake do something NOW or we are ALL down the gurgler.
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 22:30
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That sound's strangely like some other airline's rationale for going ahead in the face of logic.

Lets pray that some other carrier goes T!ts up, so we can go in and exploit it. I recall something like that happened a little over 8 years ago. Great business plan!

Irony can be quite ironic sometimes!
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 22:57
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Agreed Krusty me ol' clown, but the bean counters think it's better to start with nothing than in the hole millions. That's why keep doin' it!
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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 22:03
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Problem is Krusty, it worked last time........ So of course it will this time too..
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Old 25th Dec 2008, 20:10
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Heard a rumour that Joyce at Qantas was approached by Voz to see if he wanted to buy some new 777's.
His response apparently was anotomically impossible.
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Old 25th Dec 2008, 22:33
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Talking to one of the Air NZ managers the other day and they are trying to bring their 777-300ER orders forward (so they can retire their 747s) but can't find ANYONE in the current order book that will do a swap with them. If V Aus wanted the planes to disappear there are quite a few airlines and leasing companies that would take them today so I believe that the rumoured offer to Qantas is a complete load of . THe 777s will turn up in the not too distant future.... . United is the one which will be the most at risk in this shootoff. Old aircraft , old products and one foot in the Chapter 11 field for most of this decade.
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Old 25th Dec 2008, 23:43
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Before anyone takes too much notice of what Blow.n Gasket has to say on the matter, have a quick peek at his previous posts and assess his probable motivation.

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Old 26th Dec 2008, 03:59
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I hear from a friend of mine who operates for United, that they (United) will be lucky to be doing Syd-Lax once VA gets up and running. They just can't compete.......... Interesting times!
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Old 26th Dec 2008, 07:51
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I hear from a friend of mine who operates for United, that they (United) will be lucky to be doing Syd-Lax once VA gets up and running. They just can't compete.......... Interesting times!
Thanks for stating the obvious
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Old 26th Dec 2008, 12:24
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V Australia won't be giving up the 777's. All go for launch in February.

Delaying delivery of aircraft 3 and 4 is sensible. It will allow V Australia to launch, iron out the problems and perfect the operation before expanding. Clever move.

Give V Australia a fair go. Its going to be a fantastic carrier.
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Old 26th Dec 2008, 13:13
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All go for launch on 27 Feb. The Checkers all go to pick up aircraft No 1 at the end of January.

Heard today that the new call sign is "VEE OZ".

Time will tell but I reckon V will be a huge success.
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Old 26th Dec 2008, 20:52
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Can anyone shed any light as to why people are saying that V Aust. is going to be a "fantastic" carrier? The way I see it is it'll be the same as all other full service LH carriers, just like V. Atlantic is.
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Old 26th Dec 2008, 22:15
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Passionate people
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Old 26th Dec 2008, 23:49
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Passion won't feed you or your family. Just ask the crew's of Compass MkI and II! I hope I'm wrong, but my prediction,... If this thing goes ahead at all, it will be a bad memory by the middle of next year! If VB aren't careful, they'll also become a shot duck trying to keep it afloat.

If I'm wrong, I'll gladly wipe the egg off my face and appologise. however, I'm afraid you guys that think so highly of this doomed venture may be making beds in a burning house!

Flame suit on!
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