One year of the new Government
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I agree with your lowerlobe that this thread shouldnt be labor / Liberal thread better off suited to jetblast they are each bad as another.
The stimulate package should benefit all us, hopefully... But concentrating on the health systems can benefit all of us, doesnt just boil down to bandaids & needles.
Let's see if the Rudd Government can come up with anything exciting / new / good for the aviation sector, which I feel also will not happen.
As taking a cheap shot of the PM travels?? I'm just laughing at Zoomy's responce
I reiterative my point, all governments are the same, do one thing do the other way.
The stimulate package should benefit all us, hopefully... But concentrating on the health systems can benefit all of us, doesnt just boil down to bandaids & needles.
Let's see if the Rudd Government can come up with anything exciting / new / good for the aviation sector, which I feel also will not happen.
As taking a cheap shot of the PM travels?? I'm just laughing at Zoomy's responce
I reiterative my point, all governments are the same, do one thing do the other way.
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Seeing as I am a little green when it comes to aviation matters regarding it's health would $4 Billion injected into aviation have the same effect/benifits as the auto industry considering that by reading what's amongst these pages the aviation industry is in much trouble also?
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How impudent and mischievous to suggest the Rudd Government and in particular the Minister for Transport has not taken a leading, proactive role in aviation reform, revitalising CASA and ASA and fostered airlines and general aviation in Australia! 
The Rudd Government and present Minister has taken the following action in respect to aviation:
Compared to the Howard Government Ministers parlous intiiatives:
I don't understand why you don't acknowledge and appreciate the incentives and benefits initiated by the Rudd Government!!
P.S. Any inside information on who will replace the present Director of CASA?
The Rudd Government and present Minister has taken the following action in respect to aviation:
Compared to the Howard Government Ministers parlous intiiatives:
I don't understand why you don't acknowledge and appreciate the incentives and benefits initiated by the Rudd Government!!
P.S. Any inside information on who will replace the present Director of CASA?
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Rudd has signed the Kyoto protocol, the planet is now safe.
Otherwise I can't think of anything else he's done.
A revolution in spin,crap, and promises by the Labour Messiah.
Whats frightening is the similarities to the Obama campaign
and the same thoughtless suckers bought it.
How about the public starts a War/ Revolution against
politicians using terms like War and Revolution in conning
the electorate.
People want hope and change but Rudd will be overseas
on another world saving mission, what happened to the
Health, Education, Poverty etc. REVOLUTIONS Mr.Rudd?
Or the WAR on all the other bull**** you promised?
It's okay folks Julia is on the job, getting even redder
highlights put through her hair while the Messiah is away.
God help us
Otherwise I can't think of anything else he's done.
A revolution in spin,crap, and promises by the Labour Messiah.
Whats frightening is the similarities to the Obama campaign
and the same thoughtless suckers bought it.
How about the public starts a War/ Revolution against
politicians using terms like War and Revolution in conning
the electorate.
People want hope and change but Rudd will be overseas
on another world saving mission, what happened to the
Health, Education, Poverty etc. REVOLUTIONS Mr.Rudd?
Or the WAR on all the other bull**** you promised?
It's okay folks Julia is on the job, getting even redder
highlights put through her hair while the Messiah is away.
God help us
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Perhaps it is best to forget the political party strife and for the aviation industry to concentrate on persuading all and sundry that we need a Minister for Aviation. The present incumbent has too many different issues on his plate to have time to concentrate on aviation. If this can be achieved then true reform would have a chance.
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Someone mention Flightwatch review yet?
This can be easily summed up by considering the Flightwatch VHF review that was instigated because of Dick Smith and handed down Feb 2008.
ooops, sorry, correction,
The review is yet to be delivered and will not see the light of day until at least Feb 2009.
The Gov has done nothing and Dick Smith has not said a word in follow up.
Both are pathetic.
Mean while, ATC are distracted from separating aricraft to provide flightwatch services and the discrete flightwatch VHF system is in no mans land.
Good effort from all concerned really.
ooops, sorry, correction,
The review is yet to be delivered and will not see the light of day until at least Feb 2009.
The Gov has done nothing and Dick Smith has not said a word in follow up.
Both are pathetic.
Mean while, ATC are distracted from separating aricraft to provide flightwatch services and the discrete flightwatch VHF system is in no mans land.
Good effort from all concerned really.
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I agree Rudd has done zero for aviation in the first 12 months. Once the policy discussion paper is released, it will take another 12 months before any decisions are made (standby for many new threads on this site to debate the issues) and then the Government will begin to implement the decisions in their last year of power before the election...and alas...few decisions will be made because they will be considered too controversial in an election year.....call me cynical or call me realistic!
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I note when mouthing off at Rudd's travel history you are conspicuously silent on Howard's travel history, boofta. An example of how quickly this type of discussion gets hijacked by partisan politics. BTW, in the news this morning, Howard has cost taxpayers $400,000 since leaving office. Any opinion on that boofta?
You essentially have a choice:
1. Have a xenophobic PM who stays within Australia and never meets world leaders to discuss anything unless they happen to stop by here. Then see Australia relegated to "Australia? Who? Where the heck is that? Do they really matter?" status even more than it is already.
2. Have a PM who actually does go abroad to discuss an appropriate response to such minor nuisances as an entire global economic meltdown with the people who matter, and show that Australia needs to be included in the response too.
I think I'd prefer the latter, within reason. All National leaders travel quite a bit. We need to build a bridge and get over it.
On Aviation:
I know we are pilots, Australian pilots, and therefore by default the most important group of individuals anywhere in the world, and that attention needs to be turned to us - entirely us - right now. This very minute. However I would think that the last 12 months has seen enough on the Federal Government plate to allow them a bit of leeway before turning their attention to aviation matters.
I'd be content to wait for the aviation report before passing judgement (which goes against all my pilot instincts to pass judgement on anything and everything, immediately).
You essentially have a choice:
1. Have a xenophobic PM who stays within Australia and never meets world leaders to discuss anything unless they happen to stop by here. Then see Australia relegated to "Australia? Who? Where the heck is that? Do they really matter?" status even more than it is already.
2. Have a PM who actually does go abroad to discuss an appropriate response to such minor nuisances as an entire global economic meltdown with the people who matter, and show that Australia needs to be included in the response too.
I think I'd prefer the latter, within reason. All National leaders travel quite a bit. We need to build a bridge and get over it.
On Aviation:
I know we are pilots, Australian pilots, and therefore by default the most important group of individuals anywhere in the world, and that attention needs to be turned to us - entirely us - right now. This very minute. However I would think that the last 12 months has seen enough on the Federal Government plate to allow them a bit of leeway before turning their attention to aviation matters.
I'd be content to wait for the aviation report before passing judgement (which goes against all my pilot instincts to pass judgement on anything and everything, immediately).
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Slugfest, in relation to the Flightwatch VHF review you state:
I may not have said anything on PPRuNe but I have certainly been in touch with the authorities in relation to this. For example, on 15 September 2008 I sent a letter to the Minister which mentioned that Airservices had decided to participate in an external review and stated:
The Minister replied saying:
But don’t hold your breath for a decision.
The review is yet to be delivered and will not see the light of day until at least Feb 2009.
The Gov has done nothing and Dick Smith has not said a word in follow up.
The Gov has done nothing and Dick Smith has not said a word in follow up.
I understand this study has now been completed. Can you advise when it will be released?
I point out that other modern aviation countries of similar geographic size to Australia (namely, the United States and Canada) have a separate Flight Service/Flightwatch system. I believe Australia is a wealthy country and we can afford to have the same.
When weather conditions are good (which they tend to have been in the last couple of years) there is less need for a separate Flightwatch. However once conditions turn again, there will be a safety need for this. If it has been dismantled there could be real problems.
I point out that other modern aviation countries of similar geographic size to Australia (namely, the United States and Canada) have a separate Flight Service/Flightwatch system. I believe Australia is a wealthy country and we can afford to have the same.
When weather conditions are good (which they tend to have been in the last couple of years) there is less need for a separate Flightwatch. However once conditions turn again, there will be a safety need for this. If it has been dismantled there could be real problems.
I am advised that the external review of Flightwatch is nearing completion and that once the government aviation agencies have had an opportunity to consider the consultant’s report, Airservices Australia will provide an advise to the industry regarding the outcomes and the consultation process that may accompany any proposed changes to the service and its delivery.
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It's not about YOU - and YOU - and YOU.
It's about leading the country during a time of almost unprecedented international and financial turmoil created by previous administrations from around the world and unfetted free enterprise and greed.
The major issues we confront are questions of priorities - international relationships, economic stability, education and health etc are far more important than some rather smaller aspects of the aviation industry. In fact one could argue that we need to spend effort and money of our port, road and rail infrastructures before aviation.
Now I'll go and flush my head down the loo!
It's about leading the country during a time of almost unprecedented international and financial turmoil created by previous administrations from around the world and unfetted free enterprise and greed.
The major issues we confront are questions of priorities - international relationships, economic stability, education and health etc are far more important than some rather smaller aspects of the aviation industry. In fact one could argue that we need to spend effort and money of our port, road and rail infrastructures before aviation.
Now I'll go and flush my head down the loo!
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One thing that the Rudd goverment has done is take away the Air service charge subsidy's for regional Aviation. It was only a token amount in "Big Picture" terms, but I have been told it will have a significant effect on regional airlines. 
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Dutchroll, as you are aware,especially if you fly up the track, we are simply a greasespot on the world map, and most people would still think for all his postering, that he is still Nev from Austria. Re your complaint about what Howard has cost so far, please add the sums of Whitlam, Keating and Hawke (and their missus's) to the taxpayers acct. At least most of the former Liberal Leaders have the decency to snuff off this mortal coil and save us a few bob. Right now most of you should be more concerned that Dixon and friends are planning to push 10,yes 10,A/C up against the fence. (If you can believe the ABC). There has to be some truth in it as I have a friend who has a wool business and supplies Ski Gear etc to OS travellers. His business has dropped 65% over the last three months, due to cancellations for travel, (most say they will go to Asia instead or just stay home for holidays this year, and bearing in mind most of these people had a buck (or did) things really are starting to look grim. I would personally prefer to see a very experienced Captain up the front,not that fool Swan, even Tanner would be better, and now Ms Gillard (who always reminds me of a turtle without a shell) is bringing the unions back in, (NSW is a perfect example of what happens when the unions have too much say) Expect some heavy turbulence over the next few months.
Get some perspective
Get the OZ situation in perspective folks. Read the posts on “UK Chancellor makes moves to kill off the rest aviation industry” in the “Airlines, Airports & Routes” forum. Especially let me quote from #17 by SHORTFINALFRED
“Well, at least it makes it explicit - ALL of the UK is screwed.
My predictions: FTSE = 3000 or less, Property = off from historic highs by up to 60%, unemployment above four million, the Pound at 85 Euro cents and USD $1.20 and rioting in the streets as inflation from import costs lets rip and salaries, benefits and incomes stagnate before declining under the weight of massive tax hikes. Another UK high street bank fails and most of the retail banking industry is de-facto nationalised (even more than now).
Airlines = BMI Baby, Jet2, and perhaps Flybe all gone in 2 years. Air Southwest, Monarch, and Loganair possibly gone as well. Virgin Atlantic merged with BMI into Lufthansa as a kind of "son of BMI" with vast capacity reductions and redundancies. 2000+ UK pilots seek work. There isnt any, nor will there be for years, if ever. New "Green Taxes" kill off UK aviation for ever.
Long-term the UK is a basket case with no oil, no skill base, no high value manufacturing, and no hope. Look for the seventies brain drain to restart with, this time, no reversal and no renaissance for perhaps decades.”
“Well, at least it makes it explicit - ALL of the UK is screwed.
My predictions: FTSE = 3000 or less, Property = off from historic highs by up to 60%, unemployment above four million, the Pound at 85 Euro cents and USD $1.20 and rioting in the streets as inflation from import costs lets rip and salaries, benefits and incomes stagnate before declining under the weight of massive tax hikes. Another UK high street bank fails and most of the retail banking industry is de-facto nationalised (even more than now).
Airlines = BMI Baby, Jet2, and perhaps Flybe all gone in 2 years. Air Southwest, Monarch, and Loganair possibly gone as well. Virgin Atlantic merged with BMI into Lufthansa as a kind of "son of BMI" with vast capacity reductions and redundancies. 2000+ UK pilots seek work. There isnt any, nor will there be for years, if ever. New "Green Taxes" kill off UK aviation for ever.
Long-term the UK is a basket case with no oil, no skill base, no high value manufacturing, and no hope. Look for the seventies brain drain to restart with, this time, no reversal and no renaissance for perhaps decades.”
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I understand this study has now been completed. Can you advise when it will be released?
I point out that other modern aviation countries of similar geographic size to Australia (namely, the United States and Canada) have a separate Flight Service/Flightwatch system. I believe Australia is a wealthy country and we can afford to have the same.
When weather conditions are good (which they tend to have been in the last couple of years) there is less need for a separate Flightwatch. However once conditions turn again, there will be a safety need for this. If it has been dismantled there could be real problems.
I point out that other modern aviation countries of similar geographic size to Australia (namely, the United States and Canada) have a separate Flight Service/Flightwatch system. I believe Australia is a wealthy country and we can afford to have the same.
When weather conditions are good (which they tend to have been in the last couple of years) there is less need for a separate Flightwatch. However once conditions turn again, there will be a safety need for this. If it has been dismantled there could be real problems.
Isn't this at odds with what you did as CAA boss? We couldn't afford it, so we had to can it.
I'm just having problems getting my head around what your position actually is. Maybe I'd support your position, but I just don't see a consistent line. On the one hand, we get rid of Flight Service and, on the other hand, it's best practice in other advanced aviation countries.
I think a reply on this point would really serve to clarify where you are coming from for a lot of us.
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I may not have said anything on PPRuNe but I have certainly been in touch with the authorities in relation to this
My response to you, Dick, is that you have said NOTHING here, because in my opinion, it does not helpm your cause.
to all who actually believed the promises made by KRUDD before being elected.... are you serious? did you HONESTLY believe that he would follow thru on them? did you honestly think that he could keep the economy in surplus?
JH may NOT have been the best, but he had the better team backing him at least.
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Watch your pidgeon holes with great interest folks, it won't be long before the letters start appearing, you know the ones, about taking all your leave NOW, or even worse the leave without pay, or perhaps even worse, "we have decided you have been seconded to Bangladesh Airlines to fly a Viscount (which is probably older than all of you) for the next 12 months" (read 2 years) believe me, In 40 yrs of flying I have seen it all (AND HAVE BEEN SENT THERE) would you believe Iraq. And a free Hijab for the missus. Seriously, I hope it does not come to this for some of you, but be prepared, batten down the hatches, tear up the credit cards, because it is very unsettling to the whole family, when it happens. It has happened before and will happen again. Ask any QF Skipper over fifty, and he will have a story to tell, about flying around some ar#ehole of a place at QF's wishes, as some young S/O or F/O (they only pick on the young bucks as they won't argue) and can't afford to leave. I truly hope I am wrong.
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Howabout and Arnold E, I find this incredibly frustrating. I have been involved in airspace reform since 1991. Everything I have ever been involved in is in writing or on video. The AMATS changes which I introduced in 1991 showed quite clearly that there would be a separate Flightwatch system in Australia as per the United States. Airspace 2000 showed quite clearly there would be a separate Flightwatch service. The NAS – copying the US system – clearly meant there would be a separate Flight Service/Flightwatch system.
I have never changed on this, I have been totally consistent.
Apache, no, it is not “a turn up for the books.” There are lots of issues I get involved in which I do not bring up on PPRuNe. As you know, I clearly brought up the fact that Flightwatch was going to be abolished by Airservices. I then waited for the results of the “independent” inquiry.
Once I received an answer I was going to post it on PPRuNe. What is the use of giving every detail of every letter when it can be months before an answer is given – and maybe not ever?
The reason I have said nothing is that I don’t yet have a reply from Airservices. It is as simple as that.
I have never changed on this, I have been totally consistent.
Apache, no, it is not “a turn up for the books.” There are lots of issues I get involved in which I do not bring up on PPRuNe. As you know, I clearly brought up the fact that Flightwatch was going to be abolished by Airservices. I then waited for the results of the “independent” inquiry.
Once I received an answer I was going to post it on PPRuNe. What is the use of giving every detail of every letter when it can be months before an answer is given – and maybe not ever?
The reason I have said nothing is that I don’t yet have a reply from Airservices. It is as simple as that.
G'Day 'Slug...' and HELLO 'HOWABOUT'....
"separating aricraft"
I see yr typing is still the same............
(Yeah, I'm HARSH I know..)
HOWABOUT - well spotted and commented on!!
One would wonder, wouldn't one, about how come this 'wealthy country' got rid of this 'Flight Service' thingy in the first place.
Mr Albanese should be made aware that AsA returns a profit to Govt, therefore is able to afford "World's Best Practice"....
I see yr typing is still the same............
(Yeah, I'm HARSH I know..)HOWABOUT - well spotted and commented on!!
One would wonder, wouldn't one, about how come this 'wealthy country' got rid of this 'Flight Service' thingy in the first place.
Mr Albanese should be made aware that AsA returns a profit to Govt, therefore is able to afford "World's Best Practice"....
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Griffo,
I don't mean any disrespect to Dick, but find the answers don't always address the question.
I am still at a loss to understand what his position is. The question was asked about Flight Service and the answer was confined to Flight Watch.
Some time back I asked another question with regard to Dick's assertions that we have a 'duplicated' air traffic control system and asked what his definition of 'duplicated' is. From my perspective, 'duplicated' would mean the two control authorities provide services in the same airspace, which isn't the case. Hence, my question as to a definition of what Dick means by 'duplicated' with respect to ATC.
Unless I missed it, last time I looked I still didn't have an answer.
I don't mean any disrespect to Dick, but find the answers don't always address the question.
I am still at a loss to understand what his position is. The question was asked about Flight Service and the answer was confined to Flight Watch.
Some time back I asked another question with regard to Dick's assertions that we have a 'duplicated' air traffic control system and asked what his definition of 'duplicated' is. From my perspective, 'duplicated' would mean the two control authorities provide services in the same airspace, which isn't the case. Hence, my question as to a definition of what Dick means by 'duplicated' with respect to ATC.
Unless I missed it, last time I looked I still didn't have an answer.