Jet* Drunks
Pity it happened before the ETP. On arrival in Singapore they would have been arrested and handcuffed, then locked up. No free lawyers, no juries. A large fine and possible caning with jail time.
In China the police would have given them a good kicking. In India they would spend months in jail waiting for the case to come up, not a pleasant experience
Arseholes like these need to be dealt with in the only way they understand.
In China the police would have given them a good kicking. In India they would spend months in jail waiting for the case to come up, not a pleasant experience
Arseholes like these need to be dealt with in the only way they understand.
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I wonder if it's possible for any pax, singular or multiple, to bring a civil action under the CAR 256 (?) provisions if the pax was/were seriously inconvenienced (missed a connecting flight) or incurred additional expenses because of these morons' actions? Possibly any action could be brought against those who were intoxicated or against the airline for allowing them on board in the first place. A potential undesirable side effect could be that crew may be 'in the gun' for allowing intoxicated pax on board.
Anyone with air law experience like to give an opinion?
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Anyone with air law experience like to give an opinion?
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"A potential undesirable side effect could be that crew may be 'in the gun' for allowing intoxicated pax on board."
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Lets see.
Five pissed passengers are allowed to board, causing so much mayhem that within 1/2 hour [supplied NO alcohol onboard] the flight has to return to offload them.
Two or three of them so maggoted that they have to be held in custody as they can't look after themselves and you're suggesting someone is going to be held accountable???
Outrageous, absolutely outrageous
"A potential undesirable side effect could be that crew may be 'in the gun' for allowing intoxicated pax on board."
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Lets see.
Five pissed passengers are allowed to board, causing so much mayhem that within 1/2 hour [supplied NO alcohol onboard] the flight has to return to offload them.
Two or three of them so maggoted that they have to be held in custody as they can't look after themselves and you're suggesting someone is going to be held accountable???
Outrageous, absolutely outrageous
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Action would in civil arena and therefore would have to name offenders as defenants - in common with J*. Sadly this action would not go far as the ticket T&C's preclude any remedy and unless there is a conviction against the offenders then it's (another) flight to nowhere!
Even if it did get up against the offenders they probably have no money or assets and you would have to fund the action with little prospects of being awarded costs ....
...best bet would be to take Westy up on his very gracious and ill advised duty of care quote and settle for nothing less than a freebie or a starclass upgrade.........if the negotiation gets hard - offer to erase the video of the incident on your phone or alternatively threaten to email it to Today tonight.
As for the bogan-class offenders....well that's why God gave us buses trains and cruise ships.
Even if it did get up against the offenders they probably have no money or assets and you would have to fund the action with little prospects of being awarded costs ....
...best bet would be to take Westy up on his very gracious and ill advised duty of care quote and settle for nothing less than a freebie or a starclass upgrade.........if the negotiation gets hard - offer to erase the video of the incident on your phone or alternatively threaten to email it to Today tonight.
As for the bogan-class offenders....well that's why God gave us buses trains and cruise ships.
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Coming back from the Isa into CS last Friday night, we had a ******** become a total asshole on the flight. Had the boys in blue to meet him on arrival, and arrest him on board. He has since had Federal charges laid, and is due to front the court on Dec 11th. Word is, he should do a bit of time. Will be interesting to see. 
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So Jetstar did not press charges? And so there it ends? Must it be this way?
I dealt with a drunken fight on board a flight over India. After landing, weak company representation wanted to do nothing, go away problem please, no publicity thankyou.
I personally insisted prosecution of the offender to local authorities. I checked on him a month later, he was robbed of his savings and rotting in a rat infested cell, without vaseline, awaiting a trial he was doomed to lose. He may still be there today
This approach is probably untested in OZ, but surely an Australian Commander has by the authority of his license power to press charges independently from the employer? Bring it on.
I dealt with a drunken fight on board a flight over India. After landing, weak company representation wanted to do nothing, go away problem please, no publicity thankyou.
I personally insisted prosecution of the offender to local authorities. I checked on him a month later, he was robbed of his savings and rotting in a rat infested cell, without vaseline, awaiting a trial he was doomed to lose. He may still be there today
This approach is probably untested in OZ, but surely an Australian Commander has by the authority of his license power to press charges independently from the employer? Bring it on.
Jet Star should have them charged so these pricks will have a criminal record and will have a hard time comming to oz again. To bad for the pax who had a $300 hotel room booked in Singapore or connecting flights they missed.
Jet Star, Blow me.
Jet Star, Blow me.
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Get over it..neither QF or Jet* management could give a flying f**k about pushing charges in relation to such behaviour ..too much adverse publicity and besides its only the travelling public..who cares certainly not Dixon and his daisy chain..woof! woof!
Get over it..neither QF or Jet* management could give a flying f**k about pushing charges in relation to such behaviour ..
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it looks like the Jetstar management were weak in this case.
There may have been pressure from the company not to do this, or, the crew involved may not have wanted (for whatever reason) to further delay the service, so declined to pursue the matter.
Last edited by Capt Claret; 12th Nov 2008 at 03:25. Reason: coz sometimes I can't spell
DD, you are totally wrong - definitely not management. I have had a case on my aircraft where handcuffs were required. Police at an overseas location interviewed the offender then released him. Qantas management were furious but justice was served when he entered Australia 6 months later - he was arrested and charged.
Management stated that they would always prosecute as the effect on other pax was severe and they wanted to deter any repeat offences.
Clarrie, good point but the crew could have completed the sworn statements on return from Singapore.
Management stated that they would always prosecute as the effect on other pax was severe and they wanted to deter any repeat offences.
Clarrie, good point but the crew could have completed the sworn statements on return from Singapore.
Clarrie, good point but the crew could have completed the sworn statements on return from Singapore.
After originating about 6 hours earlier from MEL, several hour delay in DN (Normal) to clear customs and await connecting pax, departing 1/2 hour into the trip, returning, ejecting the pax, refuelling then another 4 hours to SIN. I don't reckon sworn statements by Singaporian authorities was going to be at the forefront of the crews mind when they arrived....
It's a pretty big day as it is!
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I believe airlines worldwide should adopt a new procedure for handling drunks on board aircraft.
We've clearly seen the arguments put forth relating to immense operating costs the airline incurs by diverting, offloading the pax etc, not to discount delays to other pax and the consequences of this...
So, what I suggest they enforce is the good ol' use of 'Negative Psychology'
If the b#stards want to get nailed and are a nuisance to cabin crew/passengers, the cabin crew should prepare 'the final blow' - an extremely potent alcoholic beverage that'll turn out their lights, so to speak. Then, once passed out, handcuff them to their seats (don't want any irregular convulsions now, do we) place a paper bag over their heads, serves as a chunder-catcher (holes for the eyes of female offenders - if they're pretty (ducks)) and finally record their 'hour of power' on video, a momento for their award-winning stage act. This way, the aircraft hasn't diverted, the remaining pax will meet their flight connections, and costs are maintained to the originally planned budget....minus a few bottles of liquer, of course
Asta la vista, baby !
We've clearly seen the arguments put forth relating to immense operating costs the airline incurs by diverting, offloading the pax etc, not to discount delays to other pax and the consequences of this...
So, what I suggest they enforce is the good ol' use of 'Negative Psychology'
If the b#stards want to get nailed and are a nuisance to cabin crew/passengers, the cabin crew should prepare 'the final blow' - an extremely potent alcoholic beverage that'll turn out their lights, so to speak. Then, once passed out, handcuff them to their seats (don't want any irregular convulsions now, do we) place a paper bag over their heads, serves as a chunder-catcher (holes for the eyes of female offenders - if they're pretty (ducks)) and finally record their 'hour of power' on video, a momento for their award-winning stage act. This way, the aircraft hasn't diverted, the remaining pax will meet their flight connections, and costs are maintained to the originally planned budget....minus a few bottles of liquer, of course
Asta la vista, baby !
