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Old 7th Jul 2012, 11:17
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My understanding is that the half pay thing is only a guarantee so the new employee's can receive some sort of salary for the period that the PNG Govt Work Permit is not issued.

Plenty of PX guys have been paid full salary from day one. That being a result of being given timely notice of a start date, and themselves being proactive in getting all the paperwork, history, medical information forward in a timely fashion.

Mach, PX does have a bonding system, with the value being based on the type. The figures that are mentioned seem quite fair really, as does the timeline the bond reduces over.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 23:43
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Correct, the system falls down sometimes is when recruitment don't have enough pilots on hold for long enough to get the work permit. I believe if you are offered a job you may have some power to negotiate to stay in your current employment until the permits are arranged and therefore not have the problem. Of course if your unemployed at the time half pay probably sounds attractive.

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Old 8th Jul 2012, 04:40
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From a management perspective, once an airline has invested training time in a pilot, they really need to hang on to said pilot if at all possible.
Whether or not a pilot is bonded, or whether or not the bond is enforceable, it is less about the direct cost of the training (i.e. groundschool, simulator, base training) and more about the impact on the schedule if the training time has to be repeated because one pilot leaves and another has to be recruited.
Knowing this, I once used it as leverage. I had accepted a job on a fairly ordinary salary. Pay during training was even worse, but at least the simulator was in the USA, so it cost them lots of time and some money. When I got in-country, they put my line training on slow, because effectively while I was on training pay they had a very cheap pilot. I let it run for a couple of weeks, when it became obvious what their game was. A simple ultimatum to roster me for enough hours and a check to line within the next 14 days or I would walk, and suddenly all was sorted.

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Old 10th Jul 2012, 02:58
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It's not nice to have to do that but whilst the company should expect a descent return from their expensive training the pilot is entitled to expect to be remunerated for his hard work and loyalty. You did the right thing and they would have forgotten about it not long after you left the office.

If your prepared to work for half pay then in your mind that's all your worth and really it just makes life hard for those who can't afford to do that to win descent jobs. Ie, those with family, home loans etc.

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Old 10th Jul 2012, 09:12
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PX are showing POM to Cebu 737 services from their online timetable 2 per week tues and thur they are PX012 17:50 POM CEB 20:40
return is PX013 22:10 CEB POM 0500 will connect with some OZ flights from CNS, BNE and SYD.
http://www.airniugini.com.pg/wp-cont...ernational.pdf
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Old 11th Jul 2012, 03:56
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SN, the half pay thing is just a retainer until you get your work visa. Many guys continue working their jobs whilst waiting for the work permit to come...or sit and chillout at home, either way, its money for nothing.

Don't see how thats such a terrible deal?
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Old 12th Jul 2012, 03:55
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P2-PXD 737-700 arrived yesterday, 11Jul, in POM.
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Old 14th Jul 2012, 01:26
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Old 14th Jul 2012, 21:34
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Nice livery. How come it is P2-PXD, have they run out of ANx regos?
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Old 15th Jul 2012, 16:59
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Its been PX? since 2010 when they took delivery of the Q400s, 2nd & 3 B763
Anybody knows when the 2nd B737 gets in?
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Old 17th Jul 2012, 10:58
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Did the 737 run the first POM-CEB run today?
Will they look at new ports a return to KUL or HNL maybe?
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Old 18th Jul 2012, 22:17
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PNG budget carriers petition

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012

PORT MORESBY - Two budget carriers, Cebu Pacific and ZestAir, have asked regulators for seat entitlements to Papua New Guinea left unused by flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL), documents from the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) showed.

"Notice is hereby given that the above-mentioned petitioners have filed with the CAB their respective petitions for designation as official Philippine carrier and allocation of entitlements to Papua New Guinea under Route I in accordance with existing confidential memorandum of understanding," the notice dated July 5 read. Cebu Pacific, operated by Cebu Air, Inc., and Zest Airways, Inc. are both asking for 540 seat entitlements each.

For this route between Manila and Port Moresby, the Philippines has a total of 600 seat entitlements per week, 300 of which have already been allocated to PAL.

The country also has 2,500 unallocated seat entitlements per week for flights between any point outside Manila to any point in Papua New Guinea.

A hearing for the two petitions has been set on July 24. Cebu Pacific almost doubled the number of its international passengers served in the first quarter to 1.097 million from a year ago.

The Gokongwei-led carrier is looking to carry 14 million passengers this year, up 16.6 per cent from 2011.

The company plans to mount long-haul flights by the third quarter of next year, to destinations in the Middle East, Australia, United States and Europe. ZestAir, for its part, said it served 68,991 passenger for January to March, up by 72.52 per cent from year-ago levels. The carrier, formerly called Asian Spirit, aims to serve 3.5 million passengers this year, a 53.17 per cent improvement.

The company will be launching its Manila-Shanghai flights on July 25 and Manila-Kuala Lumpur flight in October after launching Manila-Incheon flights last month.
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 00:35
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Is it true that the F/Os on the B737 now will have to come back down to command the Q400 before they can take command of the B737?
Is that mean that all the boys commanding the Q400 now will get direct entry left seat on the B737?
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 09:23
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One would hope they would have to go back to the Dash8 - 100s for a command.

Q400 commands would step on a few toes I think and mess with the seniority system. I am guessing.
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Old 26th Jul 2012, 01:04
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All f/O's on the F100 have to go back to the Dash classic for a command and then move forward again to the F100 or Q400 as seniorority depicts. It's been this way for a while since some kiwis decided to change the structure in the company and say that you need 1000 hrs in command in country before you can have a jet command. This in turn enabled them to jump alot of people and get jet commands with no jet time coming from Dash classic.

Quite a few F28/F100 long term F/O's were put back in there careers by 4 - 6 years.

That is some of the awesome stuff PX management does
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Old 15th Aug 2012, 07:28
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Question??? When the 737 operation was muted Rishworth advertised for contract commanders. Did they come or were all appointments from within PX?
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Old 25th Aug 2012, 01:46
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Heard PX have a few more aircraft on the way....

Any idea how long the wait for a work permit would be if you have a work permit for another company in PNG? Is it possible to transfer it over?
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Old 25th Aug 2012, 18:18
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That must be a difficult question to answer then since no-one has.

Has it upset the long serving troops that 'outside help' was required perhaps?
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 23:46
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Yes bushmanki one due in October a 800 .Another 800 close to being sourced as well.
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Old 27th Aug 2012, 05:50
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2 ATR freighters according to the post courier arriving next month, and 1 more Q400 according to the kiunga refueler(although he couldn't provide further details)
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