V Australia Operations DELAYED TO FEB09
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trust me it is not going anywhere. been posted before and if you search I have posted the pics too. All sealed up and mothballed. Lot more work to do!
J
trust me it is not going anywhere. been posted before and if you search I have posted the pics too. All sealed up and mothballed. Lot more work to do!
J
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Someone please tell me that I am wrong on this? The quoted salaries INCLUDE annual leave, etc, so that the actual base is much lower than stated. If this is the case, then the CFO will be on less money than the adult single dole rate in Australia!!
21. WHAT YOUR SALARY COVERS
21.1 Your salary has been calculated to remunerate you:
(a) for all work, including all flying and non-flying work (for example, time spent
performing ground duties, training, on standby and positioning);
(b) for all leave (including leave loading);
(c) for working shiftwork, on weekends and on public holidays; and
(d) for all penalties, loadings and allowances and for all other payments except for
overnight meal and incidental allowances (see clause 25).
This is a disgrace! Would anybody out their like to calculate the real base salary?
21. WHAT YOUR SALARY COVERS
21.1 Your salary has been calculated to remunerate you:
(a) for all work, including all flying and non-flying work (for example, time spent
performing ground duties, training, on standby and positioning);
(b) for all leave (including leave loading);
(c) for working shiftwork, on weekends and on public holidays; and
(d) for all penalties, loadings and allowances and for all other payments except for
overnight meal and incidental allowances (see clause 25).
This is a disgrace! Would anybody out their like to calculate the real base salary?
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Acknowledging the Boeing machinists on strike, isn't the first 777 for VA just sitting there at Everett? What role does a machinist at Boeing play once the aircraft is completed and awaiting delivery? What's stopping VA going over and flying it home?
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What crap!
V informed Boeing about 3 months ago that there was "no great rush" and to "go slow" on the first machine.
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V informed Boeing about 3 months ago that there was "no great rush" and to "go slow" on the first machine.
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I would not bother with doing the recalc as section 21 is far from precise - in fact it is quite ambiguous.
This lack of precision means basically that the quantum covers everything - on that basis, it's not far off the equivalent aggregated hourly rate of a casual check out operator at an Aldi supermarket.
Of course even more scary is that the combined agreement concept as you would need to make sure you lobby the CC for their support in respect of subsequent agrements -
It would be far from comforting to think your future relies largely on the votes of starry eyed 20 year old Y gens whose perspective of IR & workplace agreements does not extend beyond whether paparazzi should be allowed to take photos of p*ssed celebs.
I would not bother with doing the recalc as section 21 is far from precise - in fact it is quite ambiguous.
This lack of precision means basically that the quantum covers everything - on that basis, it's not far off the equivalent aggregated hourly rate of a casual check out operator at an Aldi supermarket.
Of course even more scary is that the combined agreement concept as you would need to make sure you lobby the CC for their support in respect of subsequent agrements -
It would be far from comforting to think your future relies largely on the votes of starry eyed 20 year old Y gens whose perspective of IR & workplace agreements does not extend beyond whether paparazzi should be allowed to take photos of p*ssed celebs.
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I would not bother with doing the recalc as section 21 is far from precise - in fact it is quite ambiguous.
This lack of precision means basically that the quantum covers everything - on that basis, it's not far off the equivalent aggregated hourly rate of a casual check out operator at an Aldi supermarket.
Of course even more scary is that the combined agreement concept as you would need to make sure you lobby the CC for their support in respect of subsequent agreements -
It would be far from comforting to think your future relies largely on the votes of starry eyed 19 year old Y gens whose perspective of IR & workplace agreements does not extend beyond whether paparazzi should be allowed to take photos of p*ssed celebs.
I would not bother with doing the recalc as section 21 is far from precise - in fact it is quite ambiguous.
This lack of precision means basically that the quantum covers everything - on that basis, it's not far off the equivalent aggregated hourly rate of a casual check out operator at an Aldi supermarket.
Of course even more scary is that the combined agreement concept as you would need to make sure you lobby the CC for their support in respect of subsequent agreements -
It would be far from comforting to think your future relies largely on the votes of starry eyed 19 year old Y gens whose perspective of IR & workplace agreements does not extend beyond whether paparazzi should be allowed to take photos of p*ssed celebs.
Well said airtags. If not for any other reason, no-one should accept a postion with V if the flighties will be voting on your conditions. You are insane if you do. It will all end in tears, literally....
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Don't know what you guys are on about;
Captains maybe all married, bossed around at home by the skirt, bossed around at work by the CM;
F/O's and CFO's sound like their barely left the feeding bazooka's, bossed around at work by the CM.
C'mon guys, be fair, sounds like HR are going OUT OF THEIR WAY to establish a familiar environment in which their pilots can flog themselves to death, destroy their health and work to conditions that haven't existed since "how green was my valley" ie. we pay, we own you!
And you dare to criticise??
Shame, shame, shame!
Ungrateful swine the lot of you!
Captains maybe all married, bossed around at home by the skirt, bossed around at work by the CM;
F/O's and CFO's sound like their barely left the feeding bazooka's, bossed around at work by the CM.
C'mon guys, be fair, sounds like HR are going OUT OF THEIR WAY to establish a familiar environment in which their pilots can flog themselves to death, destroy their health and work to conditions that haven't existed since "how green was my valley" ie. we pay, we own you!
And you dare to criticise??
Shame, shame, shame!
Ungrateful swine the lot of you!
Did anyone see "A Current Affair" the other night? It seems that certain celebrities are poached from rival networks and then put on hold drawing huge salaries so that they cannot work for anyone else! Maybe that's what VA have in mind for their "idle" staff. Good gig if you can get it. But somehow I don't think so?
Get out while you can boys and girls. The writing is on the wall.
Get out while you can boys and girls. The writing is on the wall.
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Walaper,
You obviously did not read my post correctly:
"When they realise that the concept won't work as predicted because of lack of No.2, they blame everyone else and place a stall tactic on the concept"
DD
You obviously did not read my post correctly:
"When they realise that the concept won't work as predicted because of lack of No.2, they blame everyone else and place a stall tactic on the concept"
DD
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I have no desire to do international anymore. I think it's totally over rated. I'd like to see my kids and wife at least more than half the nights in a year and not walk around like a zombie. What's the RFDS pay?
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That bad, huh?
PM me if you want anymore details...
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When asked the question, he did not deny it!
Asked whether the present situation was likely to delay or stop the launch of long-haul offshoot V Australia and stop the company from obtaining finance for a new fleet of Boeing 777 aircraft, Mr Godfrey replied: "The only thing that will affect the ability to get finance for 777s is the state of the financial market, not the share price of Virgin Blue."
Good luck to those who have left their jobs, I don't even reckon they have the cash to start this Gulag!
"Here, there is no Cash, Robo", "No Cash!".
Asked whether the present situation was likely to delay or stop the launch of long-haul offshoot V Australia and stop the company from obtaining finance for a new fleet of Boeing 777 aircraft, Mr Godfrey replied: "The only thing that will affect the ability to get finance for 777s is the state of the financial market, not the share price of Virgin Blue."
Good luck to those who have left their jobs, I don't even reckon they have the cash to start this Gulag!
"Here, there is no Cash, Robo", "No Cash!".
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Godfrey might well say that the VB share price is irrelevant to VA financing, but the up front cash needed to get this behemoth off the ground does come from VB. That's very relevant and the real worry.
There are some very nervous people in the head office bunker ready to run for cover if this all unravels.
VB needs to keep any spare cash it has for domestic survival. This is imperative.
There are some very nervous people in the head office bunker ready to run for cover if this all unravels.
VB needs to keep any spare cash it has for domestic survival. This is imperative.
Hell, is it that VA might just help VB, no that can not be right or can it, now what did I just read 
oh ya VA taking on some VB pilots because there got toooo many. You will be welcomed and shown the 
side 
Share price up 16% today.
oh ya VA taking on some VB pilots because there got toooo many. You will be welcomed and shown the side Share price up 16% today.
