Qantas to Decline as Jetstar Soars
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Wrong there, not a frustrated FO.
I never said I have looked at the financial accounts, I have spoken to those who have though.
And to repeat what they said "J* would not exist without the financial support of Qantas". So to extrapilate that I agree with your statement that J* are doing well domestically, that is, with the financial support of Qantas. Without which they would not be doing well.
Sorry to disspoint you muff, but yes Qantas is here to stay. Do you suggest J* should go head to head with other premium carriers like Singapore, Cathay & Emarites?
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Wrong there, not a frustrated FO.
I never said I have looked at the financial accounts, I have spoken to those who have though.
And to repeat what they said "J* would not exist without the financial support of Qantas". So to extrapilate that I agree with your statement that J* are doing well domestically, that is, with the financial support of Qantas. Without which they would not be doing well.
Sorry to disspoint you muff, but yes Qantas is here to stay. Do you suggest J* should go head to head with other premium carriers like Singapore, Cathay & Emarites?
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reality check
gents, Qf has a very competetive cost base on an international level when compared to european/american/middle eastern and most but not all asian carriers. you have to distingish between LCC and premium. as mentioned earlier corporates will not fly LCC internationally and i cant see many CEO's going J* between Syd& Mel as e.g. there short term thinking strategies of GD/PG have failed. now its up to LC/AJ to go forward and grow both carriers in their respective markets. hard decisions have to be made and they will be announced once GD is gone. bit by bit there will be change(as always never a dull moment).the only difference i can see is there is going to be very little communications from the top. LC/AJ will keep everyone at arms length and just get on with it.
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Qf has a very competetive cost base on an international level when compared to european/american/middle eastern and most but not all asian carriers.
i cant see many CEO's going J* between Syd& Mel
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i cant see many CEO's going J* between Syd& Mel
I have seen Alan Joyce Twice on SYD-AVV. Last time was 2nd July he was on my flight back to Avalon, followed by one in May. He was also with Westaway on the first sighting.
You have got to see it to believe it
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but he said,
"I cant see many CEO's"
Well there is one, and obviously he has to travel with "his" own company a few times.... wouldnt look to good if he didnt... more of a PR problem for J* if that happened....
It would be pretty amazing to see a CEO flying J* though....
Wonder if Geoff might have a fly? (as a passenger lol)
"I cant see many CEO's"
Well there is one, and obviously he has to travel with "his" own company a few times.... wouldnt look to good if he didnt... more of a PR problem for J* if that happened....
It would be pretty amazing to see a CEO flying J* though....
Wonder if Geoff might have a fly? (as a passenger lol)
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A CEO I know flew with J* recently because there was no choice over the sector. The experience was diabolical for him.
He told me neither he, nor any of his employees, will ever travel with J* again.
Bit extreme, but that's his prerogative.
I imagine the CEO of a firm based near AVV might well feel exactly the opposite.
He told me neither he, nor any of his employees, will ever travel with J* again.
Bit extreme, but that's his prerogative.
I imagine the CEO of a firm based near AVV might well feel exactly the opposite.
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travels to Sin/Hkg,etc. on QF (First Class as CL, must go category)not J*. any way i dont have a problem who he travels with. the point i was making is that many corporate heavy weights will not travel on LCC now or in the future.
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I would be interested to hear a little more in detail of why Jetstar turned off the CEO (s)
If they were folks who ordinarily were going to travel domestic on QF Business then I could see that their comfort level would have been diluted. Why then would they have been on JQ? But if they were regular QF Y class travellers, then exactly what is it that you get on a QF 737-400 that is as old as the hills, or a clapped 767 or geriatric 747-300, that you don't get on JQ. Surely oh surely not the food or the smiles? I travelled up to Sydney and back a few days ago on JQ and it was fine. Clean, punctual, friendly and a new airplane, most of all very affordable.
So the next few posters who have anecdotes to relate, please fill us in with some detail of what went wrong. Simply making "CEOs" sound like a precious group of Toorak matrons having the vapours because they were served domestic champagne at a soiree hardly helps the debate does it?
Just thinking......I use Low Cost supermarkets (ALDI), low cost brands (e.g. black and gold soap pwder, I use the 'net to get the best deals on last minute hotels and rental cars, I travel off peak on the train, I search Dan Murphy for great wine deals and I always get several quotes for work around the home or beach house. Why shouldn't an airline offer me a kindred product? I think we can all understand the difference b/w good value and "cheap".
If they were folks who ordinarily were going to travel domestic on QF Business then I could see that their comfort level would have been diluted. Why then would they have been on JQ? But if they were regular QF Y class travellers, then exactly what is it that you get on a QF 737-400 that is as old as the hills, or a clapped 767 or geriatric 747-300, that you don't get on JQ. Surely oh surely not the food or the smiles? I travelled up to Sydney and back a few days ago on JQ and it was fine. Clean, punctual, friendly and a new airplane, most of all very affordable.
So the next few posters who have anecdotes to relate, please fill us in with some detail of what went wrong. Simply making "CEOs" sound like a precious group of Toorak matrons having the vapours because they were served domestic champagne at a soiree hardly helps the debate does it?
Just thinking......I use Low Cost supermarkets (ALDI), low cost brands (e.g. black and gold soap pwder, I use the 'net to get the best deals on last minute hotels and rental cars, I travel off peak on the train, I search Dan Murphy for great wine deals and I always get several quotes for work around the home or beach house. Why shouldn't an airline offer me a kindred product? I think we can all understand the difference b/w good value and "cheap".
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Word Missing
You left out the word expectation.
Travellers have an expectation that there aircraft will turn up.You are not guaranteed of that with Jet*.
Nor that another will turn up as a replacement.
No accommodation is provided in this situation
With everything you quoted you can see what you are buying before you pay for it...the same can not be said of Jet*.
What you expect and what you get from Jet* is never what you receive.
Plus the terms and conditions of travel are far more stringent at Jet*
With Jet* expect nothing and you may be surprised....but its doubtful.
Its a bit like staff travel...do you want to save a few bucks and go through all the drama or pay full fare and be teated like a human being?
Travellers have an expectation that there aircraft will turn up.You are not guaranteed of that with Jet*.
Nor that another will turn up as a replacement.
No accommodation is provided in this situation
With everything you quoted you can see what you are buying before you pay for it...the same can not be said of Jet*.
What you expect and what you get from Jet* is never what you receive.
Plus the terms and conditions of travel are far more stringent at Jet*
With Jet* expect nothing and you may be surprised....but its doubtful.
Its a bit like staff travel...do you want to save a few bucks and go through all the drama or pay full fare and be teated like a human being?
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Many, Many, Many people have had major problems with J*
Myself included when I was the operations manager for an airline down in Adelaide...
I booked the flight online
Confirmed for a Thursday, all done printed a copy out, got there from melbourne to avalon,
"oh sorry you dont have a booking"
-"Yes I do heres the form"
"Oh may I have a look sir?"
-*hands form*
Oh this is for Fridays flight...
"but it clearly says thursday, oh that must be a mistake, see your booked in for fridays flight..."
Thanks J*!!!!!!!!!
Lucky QF & VB were more than happy to offer flights, when I drove back to Melbourne........
J* is crappy, and many people have had problems worse, the same, or smaller with J*, Australia has 2 low cost carriers, that have not had anywhere near as many problems...
there is VB and now Tiger!!!!!!!!!
Flown both and am quite happy to go Tiger if needed, or VB, or QF if thats an option...
Would never go J* again, nor offer it or recommend it to anyone, to work or fly with them...
Just my little rant
Myself included when I was the operations manager for an airline down in Adelaide...
I booked the flight online
Confirmed for a Thursday, all done printed a copy out, got there from melbourne to avalon,
"oh sorry you dont have a booking"
-"Yes I do heres the form"
"Oh may I have a look sir?"
-*hands form*
Oh this is for Fridays flight...
"but it clearly says thursday, oh that must be a mistake, see your booked in for fridays flight..."
Thanks J*!!!!!!!!!
Lucky QF & VB were more than happy to offer flights, when I drove back to Melbourne........
J* is crappy, and many people have had problems worse, the same, or smaller with J*, Australia has 2 low cost carriers, that have not had anywhere near as many problems...
there is VB and now Tiger!!!!!!!!!
Flown both and am quite happy to go Tiger if needed, or VB, or QF if thats an option...Would never go J* again, nor offer it or recommend it to anyone, to work or fly with them...
Just my little rant
Simply JQ is not set up for the corporate traveller.
It is set up for the 'price sensitive' traveller ( i.e. tourist).
QF have the product and services for the ones with the cash to spend. JQ does not and the difference is made clear to all so the brands don't collide.
It is set up for the 'price sensitive' traveller ( i.e. tourist).
QF have the product and services for the ones with the cash to spend. JQ does not and the difference is made clear to all so the brands don't collide.
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difference is made clear to all so the brands don't collide.
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Even Jetstar can't be held resposable for idiots who can't book online properly or F%$# it up. Whats do you expect them to do. I am sure Jetstar knows the clowns who say they won't fly or even those big shots like yourself who don't recommend it will fly again if given the right price.
And go fly your Tiger or Virgin. You will be back as like all Australian you are cheap.
Even Jetstar can't be held resposable for idiots who can't book online properly or F%$# it up. Whats do you expect them to do. I am sure Jetstar knows the clowns who say they won't fly or even those big shots like yourself who don't recommend it will fly again if given the right price.
And go fly your Tiger or Virgin. You will be back as like all Australian you are cheap.
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Actually the flight was booked correctly, it had the correct date (of the thursday) and said thursday on it!
for somereason on their computer it was moved the Friday!!!!!!!!!!
I know full well how to book a flight, and am in no way a big shot!
for somereason on their computer it was moved the Friday!!!!!!!!!!
I know full well how to book a flight, and am in no way a big shot!
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Sorry Aussie I don't buy it. They would have moved it or booked you on the next available flight.
Now you start telling the real story or has the computer solely stuffed up your booking. Come on Bro!
Now you start telling the real story or has the computer solely stuffed up your booking. Come on Bro!
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Id presume their computer mucked up...
They offered to move me onto the flight that day, however, with a further cost of $100.00, so it was easier to be refunded and go with QF or VB
and I flew with cheaper airlines (usually VB) on shorter trips eg: Adelaide-Melbourne or Adelaide-Sydney, becuase I worked out a deal with the CEO at the time for a work car, and the compromise was to fly cheaper on trips smaller than 2hrs, on larger trips was my choice..
They offered to move me onto the flight that day, however, with a further cost of $100.00, so it was easier to be refunded and go with QF or VB
and I flew with cheaper airlines (usually VB) on shorter trips eg: Adelaide-Melbourne or Adelaide-Sydney, becuase I worked out a deal with the CEO at the time for a work car, and the compromise was to fly cheaper on trips smaller than 2hrs, on larger trips was my choice..
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You are not suggesting that Jet* is perfect?
There is a bridge for sale shaped like a coathanger...you must be interested.
Like most of the Qantas Group Jet* is under resourced and many of its staff undertrained...Stuff ups will.... and do occur...often.
You cannot defend the indefensible.
There is a bridge for sale shaped like a coathanger...you must be interested.
Like most of the Qantas Group Jet* is under resourced and many of its staff undertrained...Stuff ups will.... and do occur...often.
You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Many, Many, Many people have had major problems with J*
Aside from the business model, one is really no better than the other really.
Paying more for your QF flight doesn't garantee an on time departure, catering, your in flight entertianment will work, your flight wont be cancelled.
So as some of the posts imply that they wont ever fly jetstar because of all the problems, well a full service airline is not immune from those problems either and have it happen just as frequently.
You loose in the end because you have paid more for your flight and lost out.
Just my thoughts on it.
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