Qantas to Decline as Jetstar Soars
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Have been informed firsthand that pilots attending Qantas EBA briefings are being told that Qantas will get all the B787's and its A330's will be transferred to Jetstar International.
Makes good sense. Would help keep Jetstar distinct from Qantas and lower training costs for both.
Makes good sense. Would help keep Jetstar distinct from Qantas and lower training costs for both.
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Thats hillarious ginger. I heard most the 787's will be going to Jetstar.
I think you would find a statement to the asx first rather than some desperate pilot talk at a meeting designed to make the troops happy and get the EBA over the line
I think you would find a statement to the asx first rather than some desperate pilot talk at a meeting designed to make the troops happy and get the EBA over the line
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I haven't been to an EBA briefing but having spoken to an AIPA VP in recent times he's not of the opinion that it's all 787s to QF and A330s to J*. Quite the contrary, the current information I've had from AIPA is consistent with the company information that it's still first 15 787s to J*, next 15 to QF and then where the need is required. This is also consistent with AJ's comments as of last week.
Look at the bad press QF are getting at the moment.
Do you think the situation can wait until QF get their 787's? Nah!
QF have to do something soon and it would be a brave man to enter new markets in a climate like this (JQ to US and EU). US are in a very bad state and will be for a while. The rest of the world will be trying hard just to keep their heads above water.
Consolidate is the priority at the moment. JQ will at best be subsituted for some QF services.
The strategy is already in its infancy with QF starting to get rid of their really old stuff. It's just the start!
Do you think the situation can wait until QF get their 787's? Nah!
QF have to do something soon and it would be a brave man to enter new markets in a climate like this (JQ to US and EU). US are in a very bad state and will be for a while. The rest of the world will be trying hard just to keep their heads above water.
Consolidate is the priority at the moment. JQ will at best be subsituted for some QF services.
The strategy is already in its infancy with QF starting to get rid of their really old stuff. It's just the start!
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Also heard some in J* under the MOU from Mainline have been told to return to mainline early.
Also other crew on the A330 are returning to A320 ops.
Was the opinion of those I spoke to that they maybe loosing some A330's?
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Also other crew on the A330 are returning to A320 ops.
Was the opinion of those I spoke to that they maybe loosing some A330's?
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There are definitely some of the MOU pilots returning to mainline. I don't know about losing some A330's though. Joyce was demanding one of the new QF ones at a recent Board meeting and was told no.
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The are a few 330's coming up or are in c checks...hence the 320 going to vietnam..hence an overcrewing situation at the moment..
all mou guys have the option of returning to QF or staying at JQ..
mastercaution your contiual hope of the demise of JQ is only a pipe dream..it's here to stay, like it or not!!
all mou guys have the option of returning to QF or staying at JQ..
mastercaution your contiual hope of the demise of JQ is only a pipe dream..it's here to stay, like it or not!!
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So why would the "fin" state that....
"in these tough times, classic Qantas is holding up the rest of the group"
We all know that the pointy end is where the real profits are made.
"in these tough times, classic Qantas is holding up the rest of the group"
We all know that the pointy end is where the real profits are made.
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true crusty d, but the company reversed it's decision.......from a lot of discontent amoungst the ranks.
the afap where the ones who advised the company to do this!!(get rid of the mou guys that is!)
the afap where the ones who advised the company to do this!!(get rid of the mou guys that is!)
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Jetstar was never launched to remain in the long term.
It was designed to lower QF's operating cost in a way not achievable at the mainline carrier, as is common with legacy carriers surrounded by decades of industrial fat.
When this has been achieved, it will morph into a modest service carrier taking over QF domestic routes in QF paint but on Jetstar operating costs.
Labor costs solved.
It was designed to lower QF's operating cost in a way not achievable at the mainline carrier, as is common with legacy carriers surrounded by decades of industrial fat.
When this has been achieved, it will morph into a modest service carrier taking over QF domestic routes in QF paint but on Jetstar operating costs.
Labor costs solved.
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Professor, perhaps you missed the thread Leigh Clifford and THE QF Boys Club.
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Muff Hunter - Are you still offering the 10,000 to 1 odds that mainline will not get any 787's. I'd be happy to make a wager as Long Haul EBA8 seems to be intentionally written around a 787 operation.
As I understand it neither AIPA nor the J* pilot council may withdraw from the MOU alone. The termination of the MOU must be agreed to by BOTH parties, then put to a vote to relevant members & agreed to by a majority of BOTH.
As I understand it neither AIPA nor the J* pilot council may withdraw from the MOU alone. The termination of the MOU must be agreed to by BOTH parties, then put to a vote to relevant members & agreed to by a majority of BOTH.