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The only people that give a toss about the pacific islands, are people that will be able to line there pockets like anything else..You SALe are most likely one of these.
Why do people get so upset when they are compared to Qantas, unfortunately QF is the benchmark, like it or not.
Why do people get so upset when they are compared to Qantas, unfortunately QF is the benchmark, like it or not.
Casa needs to take a very close look at the fuel policies of these operators.This is a 3rd world operation with unreliable wx forecasts and navigation facilities.The PIC is on his own!!The 737-200 is a very marginal operation on HIR.Don't know about the E170 but you need a genuine alternate and fuel to get there.If that means sacrificing payload to carry the PIC's minimum fuel effecting profit margins YOUR COMMERCIAL DEPARTMENT HAS THE WRONG AIRCRAFT.
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Mates Rates has got it in one. It is unbelievable that SAW would use Santo as an alternate. As most people who operate in the area know, Santo is unmanned at night. There is no PAL system to activate the lights.
This means the nearest alternate is Vila. Honiara approaches generally get you down to around 450' Agl in a Cat C aircraft. The 170 maybe a Cat B, This results in even lower weather minima.
To be frank, if you cant get in from 450', on a straight in approach, then you are going to have no chance getting into Vila, even if the weather is slightly marginal.
The only answer is Noumea.
From reports,(insider), the aircraft arrived at the terminal with 3 tonnes left in the tanks. This will get you nowhere near Noumea. In fact it will only get you barely to Santo.
The reason why the aircraft didnt divert, is simple, they couldn't. It would have been worse if they had diverted to find Santo unmanned. If they had fuel they would then proceed to Vila, also to find it unmanned until 30 minutes prior to the arrival of the Air Van boeing, which is always around midnight.
This sounds remarkably like a near death experience.
(ps: Mundah as an altenate...wow, last time I was there there was still live ordinance lying around the fringes of the tarmac, take a walk and have a look)
(pps: Gouging on one tyre?? The damage was caused by the tyreS hitting the concrete blocks the lights are set in. Minimal damage doesnt take days to repair. The aircraft was required to return to Aust with no pax. Does this suggest to you that it was just a couple of blown tyres,????? get real)
This means the nearest alternate is Vila. Honiara approaches generally get you down to around 450' Agl in a Cat C aircraft. The 170 maybe a Cat B, This results in even lower weather minima.
To be frank, if you cant get in from 450', on a straight in approach, then you are going to have no chance getting into Vila, even if the weather is slightly marginal.
The only answer is Noumea.
From reports,(insider), the aircraft arrived at the terminal with 3 tonnes left in the tanks. This will get you nowhere near Noumea. In fact it will only get you barely to Santo.
The reason why the aircraft didnt divert, is simple, they couldn't. It would have been worse if they had diverted to find Santo unmanned. If they had fuel they would then proceed to Vila, also to find it unmanned until 30 minutes prior to the arrival of the Air Van boeing, which is always around midnight.
This sounds remarkably like a near death experience.
(ps: Mundah as an altenate...wow, last time I was there there was still live ordinance lying around the fringes of the tarmac, take a walk and have a look)
(pps: Gouging on one tyre?? The damage was caused by the tyreS hitting the concrete blocks the lights are set in. Minimal damage doesnt take days to repair. The aircraft was required to return to Aust with no pax. Does this suggest to you that it was just a couple of blown tyres,????? get real)
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Sal-E, There is NO Issue with the Embraer 170 (or in any other case the 190, or 145) the issue here was the landing.
And then the Fuel....
There is NO issue with the aircraft, (from what the posts say) it is just how the aircraft is used....................................
(Sorry for the later reply, too many in between, so I figued Id add this.... haha)
Ithinkso,
Yes I was told the same basic thing, was was unable to release more information on it, but I guess since its out... Oh well...
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Honiara seems to be one of those places where all those holes in the cheese seem to line up, especially at night ,unless things have changed recently.
You get a weather forecast an hour before, to find that it is nothing like what you experience on arrival. You never seem to know which navaids are actually going to be working when you arrive there. You arrive at night to find you can hardly see the runway, due to the high grass covering them. The list goes on.
You get a weather forecast an hour before, to find that it is nothing like what you experience on arrival. You never seem to know which navaids are actually going to be working when you arrive there. You arrive at night to find you can hardly see the runway, due to the high grass covering them. The list goes on.
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The former Air Nauru has never diverted from HIR in over thirty years. There has been numerous missed approaches but never a diversion. You can quote me on this. Moral of the story? B737-300 or later series is the ideal type for HIR with regards to payload and sufficient alternate fuel requirements.
Lordoftheringhole, you are wrong again. I do not have vested interested as you so accuse. Just a pacific islander who is fed up with operators run by the ones wanting to line their pockets using the wrong equipment at great expence to a nation.
Lordoftheringhole, you are wrong again. I do not have vested interested as you so accuse. Just a pacific islander who is fed up with operators run by the ones wanting to line their pockets using the wrong equipment at great expence to a nation.
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Never Diverted??
I have personally heard the old "Air Nauru" simply overfly because they didnt think they could get in. Get real Sal-e. Those sort of remarks only reduce any level of credibility you may have once had.
Honiara in itself, is NOT a difficult airport. It has straight in approaches with low minimas. Its only gotcha is its isolation, and the fact that its' most appropriate alternate, Vila, IS a difficult airport that is much more likely to suffer weather problems and approach difficulties.
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Honiara in itself, is NOT a difficult airport. It has straight in approaches with low minimas. Its only gotcha is its isolation, and the fact that its' most appropriate alternate, Vila, IS a difficult airport that is much more likely to suffer weather problems and approach difficulties.
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Until recently when Air Nauru achieved pax rights again they always overflew HIR unless they landed for a fuel stop. I have only been in the Pacific region for about 10 years and do not know of any AN HIR diversions or overflies due wx. Not trying to defend Sale because I can't go back that far but don't mistake tracking over HIR enroute to INU as an unintentional overfly.
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ithinkso,
now now, what warranted that bit of character assassination?
You are right, the -400 nor the -300 hadn't been in Nauru for thirty years. During the days of the -200, there were in-cruise diversions. Even those at least didn't have to use Santo but Nauru as their alternate.
But never for the -400. Why? Simple. Sufficient reserves for a look-see and a few attempts. How do I know? Because I didn't just 'hear' like you did, I was there from day one. Were you? Stop being a w@nker and a colonialistic, condescending prick.
It's the other dodgy outfits who have vested interest other than what's good for a nation.
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now now, what warranted that bit of character assassination?
You are right, the -400 nor the -300 hadn't been in Nauru for thirty years. During the days of the -200, there were in-cruise diversions. Even those at least didn't have to use Santo but Nauru as their alternate.
But never for the -400. Why? Simple. Sufficient reserves for a look-see and a few attempts. How do I know? Because I didn't just 'hear' like you did, I was there from day one. Were you? Stop being a w@nker and a colonialistic, condescending prick.
It's the other dodgy outfits who have vested interest other than what's good for a nation.
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