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Now another 4 'managers' at the Learning Academy are also ex-NAB
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Maybe ASA can now start to 'GROW THE BUSINESS' by offering lending/mortgage services from the 'LEARNING ACADEMY'!
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ATC Strike on the way
ATC STRIKE ON THE WAY...
according to The Australian...
Strike on way after air traffic talks fail | The Australian
according to The Australian...
Strike on way after air traffic talks fail | The Australian
The way ASA treats you guys is a disgrace... Comes a time where drastic action is needed.
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Like it Hoboe
Reckon you might get paid better as a teller before to long, no 24/7.
Might be an attractive alternative, can I interest you in some insurance what about a low interest credit card!
Might be an attractive alternative, can I interest you in some insurance what about a low interest credit card!
Whoops!
Given the recent financial crisis the last people you would want to employ are wankers...sorry I mean bankers....
But AsA has just done that.....
Oh sorry should be okay, I mean they have not employed them in areas where previous experience might have helped like finance....
No No No just put them in positions where they know absolutely nothing about...ie Air Traffic Control....
Oh dear if it wasn't so serious it would be so funny!
But AsA has just done that.....
Oh sorry should be okay, I mean they have not employed them in areas where previous experience might have helped like finance....
No No No just put them in positions where they know absolutely nothing about...ie Air Traffic Control....
Oh dear if it wasn't so serious it would be so funny!
If I knew how to photoshop etc ......
I can see it now;
Pilot inserts card into an ACM - Airways Clearance Machine - press 'PIN' for the flight route, and VOILA!!
Your very own printed copy of your Airways Clearance - and aaawwaaaayy you go......no 'Tellers' required.
(In the event of 'systems' failure....ring Calcutta for 'Manual Cnce delivery......)
Sort of a 'Domestic CPDLC' - and those 'bankers' thought that they had actually invented something??
I can see it now;
Pilot inserts card into an ACM - Airways Clearance Machine - press 'PIN' for the flight route, and VOILA!!
Your very own printed copy of your Airways Clearance - and aaawwaaaayy you go......no 'Tellers' required.
(In the event of 'systems' failure....ring Calcutta for 'Manual Cnce delivery......)
Sort of a 'Domestic CPDLC' - and those 'bankers' thought that they had actually invented something??
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Maybe ASA can now start to 'GROW THE BUSINESS' by offering lending/mortgage services from the 'LEARNING ACADEMY'!
As a mate of mine said, if you want a baby in a month it's no good getting nine women pregnant today! This isn't a problem that can be fixed overnight by throwing resources at it, even if we had resources to throw.
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It's not going to be a clean fight (as if there was any doubt)
Up in the air | theage.com.au
A very biased piece, which leaves a lot unsaid and points uninformed opinion in a certain direction. The gloves are coming off....
I could say more, but I need to respond to the author now.
Up in the air | theage.com.au
A very biased piece, which leaves a lot unsaid and points uninformed opinion in a certain direction. The gloves are coming off....
I could say more, but I need to respond to the author now.
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Certainly, Dick. My response here is different, as my disgust at that piece has more to do with bias and reporting of facts (even in opinion pieces).
I will attempt to be as brief as possible (that doesnt mean I'll be brief- some matters require explanation in order to achieve understanding).
The main thing is to separate the issue of the industrial campaign by Civil Air, and airspace closures. They are totally unrelated, however it serves the CEOs purposes to link the two. Wright dismisses this as an "esoteric detail". Wright's referral to airlines wanting "it" fixed could refer to either the industrial dispute over pay, or the closure of airspace (hereafter referred to as TIBA). The FACTS are that if one were to look at the relationship between TIBA and industrial disputes (as claimed in the piece), or the relationship between TIBA and AsA's SDE/ALM (ALM= about 100 newly created management positions filled mostly by working controllers, thereby removing them from traffic sep duties) implementation, it would be clear that TIBA is about mismanagement, and not an industrial campaign. The union going ahead with IRC protection for industrial action is ALL ABOUT INDUSTRIAL ACTION (hereafter referred to as IA) ie; T&Cs. Of course, AsA does not want TIBA looked at separately to IA.
Wright then goes on about T@Cs, union claims etc, which I will not deal with here, as it would be extremely lengthy and not germane. Except for the part about "a new rostering system". What he is referring to is SDE. This has been dealt with on this thread, and I am sure others can give you more details if you desire. It is an experiment conducted by AsA in cost shifting, whereby airspace would be made more generic and less efficient for the client, but would provide rostering flexibility and alleged savings to AsA. I say again, less efficiency for the customers, cost savings for AsA. Yes, most controllers are opposed to it- either they realise the deskilling involved and/or they realise it wont work. It's akin to airlines rating their pilots on every sinlge type in the fleet, and just getting them to man the next flight. Sounds great in theory, until you have the pilot trying to fly a Dash8 one day and a 747 the next and wondering why your incident rate is going up and your fuel bill is bigger.
Wright then says that AsA admits it has planned poorly in the past and now they are trying to catch up. One might ask: HOW EXACTLY? Plenty on this thread already, but treating your current workforce like $hit is an interesting catch-up plan.
Wright finishes by repeating the innuendo about sickies and IA, giving it gravitas by implying "everyone up the tree" knows what is really going on. Finally, he mentions Rudds calls for restraint, and implies atc's are "in it for themselves". As I am one of those who could be described as contributing to the shortage- I left to work O/S- I can certainly see that some restraint may be required. But it certainly isnt by the controllers. AsA along with most other ANSPs has produced the situation where they are understaffed and unable to train their way out of their skills shortage. It is just audacious to ask the coal-face workers, who have been putting up with working on their days off incessently for years now to keep the shop open, to bear the brunt of the manager's ineptitude, when those very managers have all recently received payrises, and the CEO is on a package allegedly exceeding $1 million per annum. This after years of change driven by the need to "globalise" and be "internationally competitive". Well, AsA needs to be internationally competitive on the remuneration side for the staff as well as the managers. Or continue to mismanage and cost-shift to their customers at their peril. Evidence of their HR mismanagement is losing guys to other ANSPs WHO DON'T PAY MORE THAN AsA!! Very telling.
As soon as the CEO is earning, say, $250k and the managers have to give up T&Cs to get their payrises, Mr. Wright can publish some more opinion pieces about restraint (without being laughed at). Some leadership in that regard at AsA might help.
I imagine their cost-shifting policies would be of most interest to you, Dick
I will attempt to be as brief as possible (that doesnt mean I'll be brief- some matters require explanation in order to achieve understanding).
The main thing is to separate the issue of the industrial campaign by Civil Air, and airspace closures. They are totally unrelated, however it serves the CEOs purposes to link the two. Wright dismisses this as an "esoteric detail". Wright's referral to airlines wanting "it" fixed could refer to either the industrial dispute over pay, or the closure of airspace (hereafter referred to as TIBA). The FACTS are that if one were to look at the relationship between TIBA and industrial disputes (as claimed in the piece), or the relationship between TIBA and AsA's SDE/ALM (ALM= about 100 newly created management positions filled mostly by working controllers, thereby removing them from traffic sep duties) implementation, it would be clear that TIBA is about mismanagement, and not an industrial campaign. The union going ahead with IRC protection for industrial action is ALL ABOUT INDUSTRIAL ACTION (hereafter referred to as IA) ie; T&Cs. Of course, AsA does not want TIBA looked at separately to IA.
Wright then goes on about T@Cs, union claims etc, which I will not deal with here, as it would be extremely lengthy and not germane. Except for the part about "a new rostering system". What he is referring to is SDE. This has been dealt with on this thread, and I am sure others can give you more details if you desire. It is an experiment conducted by AsA in cost shifting, whereby airspace would be made more generic and less efficient for the client, but would provide rostering flexibility and alleged savings to AsA. I say again, less efficiency for the customers, cost savings for AsA. Yes, most controllers are opposed to it- either they realise the deskilling involved and/or they realise it wont work. It's akin to airlines rating their pilots on every sinlge type in the fleet, and just getting them to man the next flight. Sounds great in theory, until you have the pilot trying to fly a Dash8 one day and a 747 the next and wondering why your incident rate is going up and your fuel bill is bigger.
Wright then says that AsA admits it has planned poorly in the past and now they are trying to catch up. One might ask: HOW EXACTLY? Plenty on this thread already, but treating your current workforce like $hit is an interesting catch-up plan.
Wright finishes by repeating the innuendo about sickies and IA, giving it gravitas by implying "everyone up the tree" knows what is really going on. Finally, he mentions Rudds calls for restraint, and implies atc's are "in it for themselves". As I am one of those who could be described as contributing to the shortage- I left to work O/S- I can certainly see that some restraint may be required. But it certainly isnt by the controllers. AsA along with most other ANSPs has produced the situation where they are understaffed and unable to train their way out of their skills shortage. It is just audacious to ask the coal-face workers, who have been putting up with working on their days off incessently for years now to keep the shop open, to bear the brunt of the manager's ineptitude, when those very managers have all recently received payrises, and the CEO is on a package allegedly exceeding $1 million per annum. This after years of change driven by the need to "globalise" and be "internationally competitive". Well, AsA needs to be internationally competitive on the remuneration side for the staff as well as the managers. Or continue to mismanage and cost-shift to their customers at their peril. Evidence of their HR mismanagement is losing guys to other ANSPs WHO DON'T PAY MORE THAN AsA!! Very telling.
As soon as the CEO is earning, say, $250k and the managers have to give up T&Cs to get their payrises, Mr. Wright can publish some more opinion pieces about restraint (without being laughed at). Some leadership in that regard at AsA might help.
I imagine their cost-shifting policies would be of most interest to you, Dick
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Spot on Ferris!
What everybody needs to know, is that Civilair and AsA could reach an agreement tomorrow, but that airspace closures and TIBA is going to continue for at least another twelve months due to STAFF SHORTAGE!
Why won't AsA be flexible and come to some sort of agreement? Because then TFN would have nothing to hide behind, and the truth would come out about some pretty incompetent management over the past few years.
What everybody needs to know, is that Civilair and AsA could reach an agreement tomorrow, but that airspace closures and TIBA is going to continue for at least another twelve months due to STAFF SHORTAGE!
Why won't AsA be flexible and come to some sort of agreement? Because then TFN would have nothing to hide behind, and the truth would come out about some pretty incompetent management over the past few years.
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In today's Australian there was a Letter to the Editor accusing ATCs of industrial action as being irresponsible (not an opinion I share) as it will cost considerable jobs across the industry when the service isn't being provided. The gist of it went that 'in these tough times, the ATCs should be mindful of the economic situation and delay any action that would impact others'.
Needless to say, clearly the author has no understanding of how long this has gone on.
Needless to say, clearly the author has no understanding of how long this has gone on.
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Hoodwinked
You guys are going to lose the support of the travelling public because they are being hoodwinked by the spin from your CEO, HR, the minister and now the media. These people are in various positions where uneducated people will believe what they are told, because the majority of the public dont understand any aspect of aviation, nor does your CEO, HR or the minister.
Your management has recruited people from the finance sector (good move !!!) to run your college, who also have no knowlege of aviation other then travelling to meetings and lounging around in the Qantas club.
The result will be an attempt to have you covering all types of sectors because your are just controllers (read tellers) and so long as your manning the counter and there is a bum on a seat, their mission is complete. You and I all know that that is not the case and it will fail.
You need someone to go into bat for you and on the grounds of safety of the travelling public. Don't let it become a wages and sick leave issue or the spin doctors will twist it around and you will all look like greedy bastards whilst others out there are losing jobs.
Dick Smith, here is your chance to really do something to improve safety and give the controllers a hand.
Your management has recruited people from the finance sector (good move !!!) to run your college, who also have no knowlege of aviation other then travelling to meetings and lounging around in the Qantas club.
The result will be an attempt to have you covering all types of sectors because your are just controllers (read tellers) and so long as your manning the counter and there is a bum on a seat, their mission is complete. You and I all know that that is not the case and it will fail.
You need someone to go into bat for you and on the grounds of safety of the travelling public. Don't let it become a wages and sick leave issue or the spin doctors will twist it around and you will all look like greedy bastards whilst others out there are losing jobs.
Dick Smith, here is your chance to really do something to improve safety and give the controllers a hand.
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C0099/09 NOTAMN A) YMML B) 0901241500 C) 0901241530 E) ATS AT MELBOURNE AERODROME ARE SUBJECT TO CONTINGENCY DUE TO STAFF AVAILABILITY. AERODROME CTL SER NOT AVBL. LIMITED FIS AND ALERTING SERVICE MAY BE AVAILABLE ON REQUEST FROM ADJACENT ATS UNITS. PRIOR TO OPERATING ON THE MANOEUVRING AREA PILOTS MUST: 1. OBTAIN A BRIEFING ON CONTINGENCY PROCEDURES FROM AIRSERVICES AUSTRALIA TEL +613 93356671 2. OBTAIN A LANDING OR DEPARTURE TIME. 3. IF DEPARTING, OBTAIN AN AIRWAYS CLEARANCE ON 118.9 MHZ. PILOTS-IN-COMMAND ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLISION AVOIDANCE ON THE MANOEUVRING AREA. IN ADDITION TO PROCEDURES DESCRIBED BELOW, MANDATORY BROADCAST PROC AS DETAILED IN AIP GEN 3.3 APPLY ON 120.5 MHZ. PRIOR TO ENTERING THE RWY FOR DEPARTURE, PILOTS MUST: 1. REPORT READY ON 118.9 MHZ 2. OBTAIN DEPARTURE INSTRUCTIONS AND REPORT AIRBORNE WITHIN 3 MINUTES. AFTER LANDING, REPORT CLEAR OF THE RWY ON 132.0 MHZ.
Half an hour o/nite granted BUT The nations second biggest city
this happeneing even though ATC's ARE doing their best through mountains of OT to cover holes in rosters, not necessarily only covering the small amount of sick leave. 
we might see a few of these notams during daylight hours before too long. What have Russell and co management done in the last 4 years to avoid this? NOT MUCH it appears 
Who holds the Part172 responsibilies and accountabilites? and what are the penalties for failing to discharge? 
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"THE AGE" article.
That Age article read like something from ACA or Today Tonight.
This is an article from The Australian (Jan 22):
Strike on way after air traffic talks fail | The Australian
This is an article from The Australian (Jan 22):
Strike on way after air traffic talks fail | The Australian
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Get in contact with Dick, provide all the info and get the facts publicised.
His number is well known around the place...I am sure you have it. Do not miss the boat, or its a long haul up a steep slippery slope otherwise.
J
Get in contact with Dick, provide all the info and get the facts publicised.
His number is well known around the place...I am sure you have it. Do not miss the boat, or its a long haul up a steep slippery slope otherwise.
J
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Is it just intellectual laziness on the part of Steve Creedy and other "aviation journalists", or are the spinmeisters so good that they'd get a job in Goebel's Ministry of Propaganda?
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