Merged: Virgin Blue Share Price - how low can it go and for how long?
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To be brutally honest, I've got no idea. I have no real interest whatsoever in this whole saga. No job interest. No pecuniary interest. I just come on here to read the quite fascinating interplay between those desperately hoping to retain their jobs, those looking to make a quick buck in volatile times, and the strange individuals who seem to hope for, and indeed delight in, seeing other people's lives ruined.
Well said Frink.
But also to be brutally honest, whilst any increase in the share price is good, 38% of F#ck all is probably a little soon to get too excited about!
But also to be brutally honest, whilst any increase in the share price is good, 38% of F#ck all is probably a little soon to get too excited about!
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Frink..unfortunately you get that on pprune...a group of "experts" and worldly travellers that seem to know allot about nothing get on here and give their "expert" opinions......let it be said, that there is another thread running here about VA and Delta airlines entering into a code share..it's had 6 replies as a result of it being a positive thread (you cant have that on pprune)...on the other hand, any negative thread or a thread containing vast amounts of speculation and doom and gloom ends up running for months as our "experts" keep adding their "valuable" commentary.
Sad case really
Sad case really
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38% pfffffffft! its still trading below 30c the trend is down,
BNB and ABS to name afew all had massive % gains on there way to zero. bargain hunting retailers just dont get it they see where the price was and think man thats super cheap buy, the smart money knows where its headed, sees its expensive lets them have it unloading on those morons.
BNB and ABS to name afew all had massive % gains on there way to zero. bargain hunting retailers just dont get it they see where the price was and think man thats super cheap buy, the smart money knows where its headed, sees its expensive lets them have it unloading on those morons.
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It was always Toll's intention to sell VB, unfortunately for them no one was interested.
They purchased Patricks who happened to own VB. They are interested in freight, self loading doesn't count.
They purchased Patricks who happened to own VB. They are interested in freight, self loading doesn't count.
Need a big Hammer........well you'd better have a ruddy big one !
In fact the yield is so great and the staff are so happy, their chomping at the bit to take leave without pay as the airline reduces capacity.
Looks like B*sht, smells like B*sht, yep it's B*sht.
In fact the yield is so great and the staff are so happy, their chomping at the bit to take leave without pay as the airline reduces capacity.
Looks like B*sht, smells like B*sht, yep it's B*sht.
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Hammar
Strewth Hammar, hope you don't hunt in the jungle- the nervous reaction will stroke you out!!!!!- There are many of us here who actually support the security of all in VB/Vos, you included.....
And if you were to have the time in your schedule to review, along with Krusty & Sam- you may see that, or not!!!!!- but culture capture and fixation, is not something new to some of those here-
My reply to Mr Frink- was actually tongue in cheek, (which on here, was probably bold)- however, the sentiments I don't resign from............
If you have the Voz Show (my assumption, on your location & area of responsibility??)- yield (Cash) positive at this point, I do resign from every concern I have ever expressed and "congratulate you all wholeheartedly" , particularly at this time of year..........
Trust you have a CODE SHARE AGREEMENT to announce on 2 April, as oppossed to an Interline Agreement- THAT WILL (a Code Share) make a difference...
Be well
Regards
S28- BE
And if you were to have the time in your schedule to review, along with Krusty & Sam- you may see that, or not!!!!!- but culture capture and fixation, is not something new to some of those here-
My reply to Mr Frink- was actually tongue in cheek, (which on here, was probably bold)- however, the sentiments I don't resign from............
If you have the Voz Show (my assumption, on your location & area of responsibility??)- yield (Cash) positive at this point, I do resign from every concern I have ever expressed and "congratulate you all wholeheartedly" , particularly at this time of year..........
Trust you have a CODE SHARE AGREEMENT to announce on 2 April, as oppossed to an Interline Agreement- THAT WILL (a Code Share) make a difference...
Be well
Regards
S28- BE
Qantas employee spreading rumours??
From Crikey.com.au
The original post from Frequentflyer.com.au
The subsequent post by a moderator from frequentflyer.com.au
Qantas IPs linked to cyber-raid on Virgin Blue
Ben Sandilands writes:
Virgin Blue has been going broke for almost every month of the eight years and five months it has been flying passengers, according to on-line rumour mongers, but this week saw one of them outed as using what is almost certainly a Qantas computer.
This was the "Virgin Blue is loosing $8 million a day and being forced to pay cash for fuel and other supplies" rumour.
A moderator at FrequentFlyer.com.au (NM aka Nelly Mobbs) found that the IP number used by anonymous forum user flying1977 to spread this rumour matched oneused at Qantas.
An IP number is like a postal address, but with a degree of X-ray vision as to what devices are actually connected to it.
While it isn’t clear what else "Nelly Mobbs" did, an email tracer program like Read.Notify would almost certainly have come in handy too.
Such programs allow you to see if your message is "displayed" and for how long, on what sort of computer running what sort of operating system, and to whom it might have then been forwarded, together with the same discovery of who, what, when and for how long. It’s not called the web for nothing.
The Virgin Blue "going broke at $8 million per day" rumour is in fact rubbish, as would be any suggestion that Qantas was behind it. This is an organisation that runs matches between staff telephone call records and known numbers used by the media to discover and execute those who speak without authorisation and sanitisation as to content and nuance.
As a declared user of email filtering, like Virgin Blue, and many large and small businesses, Qantas would understand what flying1977 didn’t, that it is easy to be ‘caught.’
Yes, Qantas is aware of the ‘development’, and may say something. But in the real and festering world of online rumour mongering this is just another infantile mind pursuing a hate filled agenda of misinformation or fantasy.
It is so easy too. Current examples include images of massive pre WW11 Soviet Flying Boats (completed with hovering flying saucer), a massive Boeing delta shaped A380 ‘killer’ in full Photoshopped flight, and a Super Container ship about five kilometres long.
The Virgin Blue rumour is usually laced with malice on other industry forums such as Pprune.org, the Professional Pilots Rumour Network, which is nothing if not sceptical, where each time it pops up it gets incinerated. Or gets picked up and swallowed by the more susceptible muppets and arm chair CEOs on spotter sites.
But all on-line forums, including Crikey and its blogs, are targets of rumours, some of them crafted more cleverly than this one. It is one of the risks and irritations of granting anonymity in comments and discussions
Ben Sandilands writes:
Virgin Blue has been going broke for almost every month of the eight years and five months it has been flying passengers, according to on-line rumour mongers, but this week saw one of them outed as using what is almost certainly a Qantas computer.
This was the "Virgin Blue is loosing $8 million a day and being forced to pay cash for fuel and other supplies" rumour.
A moderator at FrequentFlyer.com.au (NM aka Nelly Mobbs) found that the IP number used by anonymous forum user flying1977 to spread this rumour matched oneused at Qantas.
An IP number is like a postal address, but with a degree of X-ray vision as to what devices are actually connected to it.
While it isn’t clear what else "Nelly Mobbs" did, an email tracer program like Read.Notify would almost certainly have come in handy too.
Such programs allow you to see if your message is "displayed" and for how long, on what sort of computer running what sort of operating system, and to whom it might have then been forwarded, together with the same discovery of who, what, when and for how long. It’s not called the web for nothing.
The Virgin Blue "going broke at $8 million per day" rumour is in fact rubbish, as would be any suggestion that Qantas was behind it. This is an organisation that runs matches between staff telephone call records and known numbers used by the media to discover and execute those who speak without authorisation and sanitisation as to content and nuance.
As a declared user of email filtering, like Virgin Blue, and many large and small businesses, Qantas would understand what flying1977 didn’t, that it is easy to be ‘caught.’
Yes, Qantas is aware of the ‘development’, and may say something. But in the real and festering world of online rumour mongering this is just another infantile mind pursuing a hate filled agenda of misinformation or fantasy.
It is so easy too. Current examples include images of massive pre WW11 Soviet Flying Boats (completed with hovering flying saucer), a massive Boeing delta shaped A380 ‘killer’ in full Photoshopped flight, and a Super Container ship about five kilometres long.
The Virgin Blue rumour is usually laced with malice on other industry forums such as Pprune.org, the Professional Pilots Rumour Network, which is nothing if not sceptical, where each time it pops up it gets incinerated. Or gets picked up and swallowed by the more susceptible muppets and arm chair CEOs on spotter sites.
But all on-line forums, including Crikey and its blogs, are targets of rumours, some of them crafted more cleverly than this one. It is one of the risks and irritations of granting anonymity in comments and discussions
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Virgin Blue paying cash for their fuel?
A friend of mine who works at Brisbane airport advised that Virgin Blue are having to pay cash by fuel. This is not good news if they are.
Can anyone confirm?
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Virgin Blue paying cash for their fuel?
A friend of mine who works at Brisbane airport advised that Virgin Blue are having to pay cash by fuel. This is not good news if they are.
Can anyone confirm?
Clarification of relationship
In the interest of full disclosure, I think it is important to note the following:
The original poster of this thread, flying1977, regularly posts to this forum from an IP address that appears to come from Qantas. The opening post in this thread appears to have initiated from an IP address at Qantas.
flying1977 has been asked to clarify any relationship with Qantas in order for their posts to be understood in context. No clarification has been received.
I invite flying1977 to identify any relationship with Qantas and to provide clarification regarding the source of the rumour posted in this thread. This same invitation was provided privately earlier in the day.
In the interest of full disclosure, I think it is important to note the following:
The original poster of this thread, flying1977, regularly posts to this forum from an IP address that appears to come from Qantas. The opening post in this thread appears to have initiated from an IP address at Qantas.
flying1977 has been asked to clarify any relationship with Qantas in order for their posts to be understood in context. No clarification has been received.
I invite flying1977 to identify any relationship with Qantas and to provide clarification regarding the source of the rumour posted in this thread. This same invitation was provided privately earlier in the day.
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Well, they say you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house, but that flying1977 coward sure got his/her just desserts. I wonder what relationship the poster had with Qantas?
No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. But there is a smallish thing called industrial espionage and sabotage. Been around since Adam was a boy, so I'm told.
I wrote to the moderator of this site recently (different forum).
PPRuNe in its current form is rapidly turning into a shadow of its former self. Yet it still has uses. I feel, as many do, those uses are better served without people like flying1977 and many other untutored posters.
My suggestion was that many with PPRuNe 'handles' should be banned, period.
Back to the thread...
No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. But there is a smallish thing called industrial espionage and sabotage. Been around since Adam was a boy, so I'm told.
I wrote to the moderator of this site recently (different forum).
PPRuNe in its current form is rapidly turning into a shadow of its former self. Yet it still has uses. I feel, as many do, those uses are better served without people like flying1977 and many other untutored posters.
My suggestion was that many with PPRuNe 'handles' should be banned, period.
Back to the thread...
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The Age --- Page: B1-B2
The Australian Securities & Investments Commission's decision to ban a stock broker for allegedly spreading rumours that damaged the share price of Macquarie Group will be appealed by him in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. The research in question was sent out by the offender just as the investment bank was under serious pressure from hedge funds engaging in short selling of financial sector stocks.
The Australian Securities & Investments Commission's decision to ban a stock broker for allegedly spreading rumours that damaged the share price of Macquarie Group will be appealed by him in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. The research in question was sent out by the offender just as the investment bank was under serious pressure from hedge funds engaging in short selling of financial sector stocks.
The Australian Financial Review --- Page: 1/49
Sydney broker, Richard Macphillamy, has been suspended from providing financial services advice for 18 months after the Australian Securities & Investments Commission (ASIC) accused him of spreading false rumours. ASIC said Macphillamy made false claims about Macquarie Group in a widely distributed email.
Sydney broker, Richard Macphillamy, has been suspended from providing financial services advice for 18 months after the Australian Securities & Investments Commission (ASIC) accused him of spreading false rumours. ASIC said Macphillamy made false claims about Macquarie Group in a widely distributed email.
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Mr Hat,
Don't get too carried away dude. There is a world of difference between a professional broker spreading false information to clients and an anonymous poster on a rumour site.
Ben Sandilands is once again carrying on like his namesake, Kyle.
Rumours like the one highlighted are only raising eyebrows and generating a response because they are to some extent, plausible. Whilst not losing $8 million a day, they are definitely losing something.
Whilst they may not be on cash terms, however it is not beyond the realm of possibility they have had their credit terms reduced.
Where there is smoke there is fire.
SP
Don't get too carried away dude. There is a world of difference between a professional broker spreading false information to clients and an anonymous poster on a rumour site.
Ben Sandilands is once again carrying on like his namesake, Kyle.
Rumours like the one highlighted are only raising eyebrows and generating a response because they are to some extent, plausible. Whilst not losing $8 million a day, they are definitely losing something.
Whilst they may not be on cash terms, however it is not beyond the realm of possibility they have had their credit terms reduced.
Where there is smoke there is fire.
SP
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need a big hammer,
I am not trying to sledge VB out of hand, just bemused with the contradictory statements the Virgin group keep releasing. To highlight a couple.. announcing cuts to capacity and redundancies whilst talking up yields and passenger numbers. I think it's great if Virgin can continue to make money whilst most accrue losses, this however should not be done at the expense of loyal employees.
I know i would feel a little miffed if I was facing redundancy and the Co I worked for funded lavish parties in Sydney Harbour ,and cuts in one part of the business were to subsidize the establishment of a new loss making enterprise.
My two cents worth.
I am not trying to sledge VB out of hand, just bemused with the contradictory statements the Virgin group keep releasing. To highlight a couple.. announcing cuts to capacity and redundancies whilst talking up yields and passenger numbers. I think it's great if Virgin can continue to make money whilst most accrue losses, this however should not be done at the expense of loyal employees.
I know i would feel a little miffed if I was facing redundancy and the Co I worked for funded lavish parties in Sydney Harbour ,and cuts in one part of the business were to subsidize the establishment of a new loss making enterprise.
My two cents worth.
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Any thinking Qantas employee would want Virgin to survive and prosper, as much for their own circumstances as for those at VB.
I have friends and relatives flying for VB. For their sake I wish only the best for the company. If, god forbid, VB went down then we would have similiar circumstances that allowed for the formation of Jetstar and the substandard T&C's that people were obliged to accept to keep their families in Australia.
Qantas management would have no compunction about setting the bar lower than it is now.
The reasons put forward for keeping foreign airlines from cherry picking profitable Australian routes would also largely disappear.
This downturn will end. When it does the company's that are left standing will do very well. I hope VB is one of them.
I have friends and relatives flying for VB. For their sake I wish only the best for the company. If, god forbid, VB went down then we would have similiar circumstances that allowed for the formation of Jetstar and the substandard T&C's that people were obliged to accept to keep their families in Australia.
Qantas management would have no compunction about setting the bar lower than it is now.
The reasons put forward for keeping foreign airlines from cherry picking profitable Australian routes would also largely disappear.
This downturn will end. When it does the company's that are left standing will do very well. I hope VB is one of them.