VAustralia New Routes
All the Kudos to you 7378FE. As I said previously, I applaude your passion. Hopefully your remark about putting your house on it won't be the ultimate irony!
Good luck dude. I hope it works out for you
Good luck dude. I hope it works out for you
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7378FE,
Clearly you are an eternal optimist with your latest post. A pessimist, however, might say that on Monday the 9th the 'noose' arrives and will be placed around the 'neck' of V Aus Group Aus as it ascends the financial 'gallows'.
VB's share price continued to 'head south' today and closed at 28.5 cents. Jim Irwin is absolutely corrrect in his comments.
The V Aus Group business plan is totally at odds with the investment community, which will be influenced by world events for a long time to come.
Competition from established carriers will be fierce in all markets and the cost to V Group Aus just to break even, with a declining customer base, I fear will take many many, more $$$ than they have available. QED..
This is going to be a 'train wreck' and the misguided but nontheless hardworking VB staff will soon suffer the consequences accordingly.
Clearly you are an eternal optimist with your latest post. A pessimist, however, might say that on Monday the 9th the 'noose' arrives and will be placed around the 'neck' of V Aus Group Aus as it ascends the financial 'gallows'.
VB's share price continued to 'head south' today and closed at 28.5 cents. Jim Irwin is absolutely corrrect in his comments.
The V Aus Group business plan is totally at odds with the investment community, which will be influenced by world events for a long time to come.
Competition from established carriers will be fierce in all markets and the cost to V Group Aus just to break even, with a declining customer base, I fear will take many many, more $$$ than they have available. QED..
This is going to be a 'train wreck' and the misguided but nontheless hardworking VB staff will soon suffer the consequences accordingly.
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7378FE-whatever your smoking,please pass the bowl around and let every one else have some!
Forward bookings on the VA operation are woefull-sure the aircraft will turn up but don't expect it to be here for long.The sad thing is that this will drag the whole VB show down with it-then you'll hear the grizzlers,all five thousand of them standing in the dole que.
Kevin Rudd might be handing out the dollars, but it will take plenty more to fill the seats on your shiny 777.
I hope it survives-but I am seriously concerned about the jobs of all at the VB group-there the ones funding this experiment!!
Forward bookings on the VA operation are woefull-sure the aircraft will turn up but don't expect it to be here for long.The sad thing is that this will drag the whole VB show down with it-then you'll hear the grizzlers,all five thousand of them standing in the dole que.
Kevin Rudd might be handing out the dollars, but it will take plenty more to fill the seats on your shiny 777.
I hope it survives-but I am seriously concerned about the jobs of all at the VB group-there the ones funding this experiment!!
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THE ORACLE summed it up beautifully!
7378FE, do you actually work (have a job) for V Aus? I, like Krusty, respect your optimism - glass half full kind of guy! V would be lucky to have you! ............BUT
Lets not get ahead of ourselves! V will fly, no doubt, it has to. The share price continues to head south atm, imagine what it would do if they axed the much sprouked V that offers the same product as every other trans-pacific carrier, 150 seats less seats per flight than its main competitor, projected to run a loss for several years....oh, and lets not forget the WORST economic climate of recent history!
And as far as routes go. Joburg - LAX was mentioned. Who in their right mind would travel from Joburg to LAX via Australia?
7378FE, do you actually work (have a job) for V Aus? I, like Krusty, respect your optimism - glass half full kind of guy! V would be lucky to have you! ............BUT
Lets not get ahead of ourselves! V will fly, no doubt, it has to. The share price continues to head south atm, imagine what it would do if they axed the much sprouked V that offers the same product as every other trans-pacific carrier, 150 seats less seats per flight than its main competitor, projected to run a loss for several years....oh, and lets not forget the WORST economic climate of recent history!
And as far as routes go. Joburg - LAX was mentioned. Who in their right mind would travel from Joburg to LAX via Australia?
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Hopefully your remark about putting your house on it won't be the ultimate irony!
It was something to do with being debt free when it all goes t!ts up!!
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The V Aus Group business plan is totally at odds with the investment community
I think all the negative sentiment here has more to do with QANTAS loosing some (not a lot) of it's cash cow LAX services, where the punters have been ripped off for years, rather than who's paid how many $$$$ for moving a aircraft from SYD to LAX
Well lets not get ahead of ourselves. People will only(well mostly) go with the cheapest airfare, yeh a pretty young doll/lad is nice but in these austere times it comes down to money. Qantas is allready undercutting V Oz and I know I would rather go with an operator who has more than one aircraft when things go a little pear shaped..............
Godfrey has a history of betting the farm on the latest scheme.....Look at how succesful VB was prior to Ansett falling over. Rumour has it that VB was very close to winding up prior to Ansett's collapse. This time there will be no more failing competitor to give V Oz the leg up.
Unfortunately this time BG's ego may get the better of him..........trouble is he'll drag down a hell of a lot of employees with him.
Good luck to all the VB lads and lasses.........you'll need it.
Whilst VB is a very succesful business, V Oz is a lemon.
Remember, a pig with lipstick is still a pig!
Godfrey has a history of betting the farm on the latest scheme.....Look at how succesful VB was prior to Ansett falling over. Rumour has it that VB was very close to winding up prior to Ansett's collapse. This time there will be no more failing competitor to give V Oz the leg up.
Unfortunately this time BG's ego may get the better of him..........trouble is he'll drag down a hell of a lot of employees with him.
Good luck to all the VB lads and lasses.........you'll need it.
Whilst VB is a very succesful business, V Oz is a lemon.
Remember, a pig with lipstick is still a pig!
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In the past, the Pacific has been a very profitable route. However, things are very cyclical, and up until 10 years ago I believe it was very unprofitable for QF. Then several years of booming profits, but if the stories are to be believed, the last 12 months has barely made enough coin to get excited about.
7378FE
Well said!
Too many jealous ppl here........From what I hear, good company, good (exprienced) Flight Operations and most of all the 777-300ER. Sure it will be a slow road, with a lot going against them, but they will chip away at their market share and succeed.
Cheers
PS I remember when Krusty used to comment how they would have failed a long time ago.......hasn't he been less vocal these days.
Well said!
Too many jealous ppl here........From what I hear, good company, good (exprienced) Flight Operations and most of all the 777-300ER.
Sure it will be a slow road, with a lot going against them, but they will chip away at their market share and succeed.Cheers
PS I remember when Krusty used to comment how they would have failed a long time ago.......hasn't he been less vocal these days.
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While the cards seemed stacked against the V-Australia operation, (strong QF FF loyalty and U.S interline feed from AA, competition from a stable United, and possible entry of Delta onto the route) - I think far too many people are very quick to judge it a failure, even if they do have the best of intentions.
The airline hasn't even launched yet and so many people appear ready to pronounce it (and DJ) dead before the first revenue service even takes to the sky!? Why is this instantly a death-sentence for the mainline carrier? Surely if it's tanking in twelve months time, they'll pull the pin?
I do agree that this is possibly the worst time you could launch a service to the U.S - I think DJ has even said that themselves somewhere, but I think it deserves a chance. By all rights it looks like a fairly decent operation (sensible 3 class full service product) with good (read - cost effective) equipment and keen staff/crew.
Hopefully once launched one will see some joint ventures / strong interlining between V-OZ and Virgin America? I see their logo on V's website. Would seem a sensible move?
7378FE - good luck mate. I think a lot of people admire your optimism and hope it works out. Enjoy the 777 delivery on Monday, I'm sure it'll be a great moment for VA!
The airline hasn't even launched yet and so many people appear ready to pronounce it (and DJ) dead before the first revenue service even takes to the sky!? Why is this instantly a death-sentence for the mainline carrier? Surely if it's tanking in twelve months time, they'll pull the pin?
I do agree that this is possibly the worst time you could launch a service to the U.S - I think DJ has even said that themselves somewhere, but I think it deserves a chance. By all rights it looks like a fairly decent operation (sensible 3 class full service product) with good (read - cost effective) equipment and keen staff/crew.
Hopefully once launched one will see some joint ventures / strong interlining between V-OZ and Virgin America? I see their logo on V's website. Would seem a sensible move?
7378FE - good luck mate. I think a lot of people admire your optimism and hope it works out. Enjoy the 777 delivery on Monday, I'm sure it'll be a great moment for VA!
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There will be 3 aircraft on the ground over the next few weeks.
The 777 will carry 150 less pax than the mighty 380, BUT
it will burn around 40 tonnes less fuel SYD-LAX.
Hang in there QF folks you might need to sell YOUR houses.
Seriously it all depends on the economy for all airlines.
The 777 will carry 150 less pax than the mighty 380, BUT
it will burn around 40 tonnes less fuel SYD-LAX.
Hang in there QF folks you might need to sell YOUR houses.
Seriously it all depends on the economy for all airlines.
Gidday B043.
Plenty people here just as vocal as Krusty. Feel free to attack them also if you wish.
To crow about Krusty getting it wrong, is I would suggest, being a little premature!
Plenty people here just as vocal as Krusty. Feel free to attack them also if you wish.
To crow about Krusty getting it wrong, is I would suggest, being a little premature!
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I hope they go well. Its going to be tough and you hardly have to be einstein to work that one out.
The way i see it is that they are an alternative to the QF group. You might want a crack at longhaul but not have got into QF. The other advantage is that J*787 vs V 777 will be eventually in competition with eachother for crews and this can only be a good thing.
If they V are around for long enough you will find that the TC's will improve much like they did at VB on the 73. Do you remmeber the early days/pays at vb. Seems these days people in there are much happier with their job. Good luck V.
The way i see it is that they are an alternative to the QF group. You might want a crack at longhaul but not have got into QF. The other advantage is that J*787 vs V 777 will be eventually in competition with eachother for crews and this can only be a good thing.
If they V are around for long enough you will find that the TC's will improve much like they did at VB on the 73. Do you remmeber the early days/pays at vb. Seems these days people in there are much happier with their job. Good luck V.
