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Flying-spike, while I understand your post[s] my problem is with the practicalities and legal considerations.
I have asked my supervisors [level 3] at ASA what their plan is for this and as yet recieved no response.
If I, as an ATC, take a diazpam tablet to control back spasms, log it in my diary, turn up to work 48 hours later and advise my supervisor of my use, what happens?
My Dame advised me that I would be good for work after 8 hours. I'm trying to get that in writing.
If my supervisor lets me plug in and work and I am subsequentially tested and FAIL will I be villified? Will my supervisor?
Should I tell them I am non operational?
If I have an incident, will this be used as a mitigating factor?
I belive ASA policy is testing after a serious incident if the supervisor believes there may be impairment.
So I arrive at work, tell them I took 2 'ibuprofen plus' two days ago and have a near miss or worse on my watch[hopefully not but devils advocate scenario].
I am tested and show positive for opiates.
Who do you think the police and lawyers are going to come looking for?
Should I call work when I take the pills and tell them I wont be available for 4-5 days due to the testing regime?
Can I go to a DAME to get a clearance to work?
ASA has no policy in place for this that I or my supervisors are aware of.
I'm not knocking ASA here just pointing out that a large percentage of ATC, pilots, cabin crew, engineers etc could suddenly not be available for operational duties on a regular basis.
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I have asked my supervisors [level 3] at ASA what their plan is for this and as yet recieved no response.
If I, as an ATC, take a diazpam tablet to control back spasms, log it in my diary, turn up to work 48 hours later and advise my supervisor of my use, what happens?
My Dame advised me that I would be good for work after 8 hours. I'm trying to get that in writing.
If my supervisor lets me plug in and work and I am subsequentially tested and FAIL will I be villified? Will my supervisor?
Should I tell them I am non operational?
If I have an incident, will this be used as a mitigating factor?
I belive ASA policy is testing after a serious incident if the supervisor believes there may be impairment.
So I arrive at work, tell them I took 2 'ibuprofen plus' two days ago and have a near miss or worse on my watch[hopefully not but devils advocate scenario].
I am tested and show positive for opiates.
Who do you think the police and lawyers are going to come looking for?
Should I call work when I take the pills and tell them I wont be available for 4-5 days due to the testing regime?
Can I go to a DAME to get a clearance to work?
ASA has no policy in place for this that I or my supervisors are aware of.
I'm not knocking ASA here just pointing out that a large percentage of ATC, pilots, cabin crew, engineers etc could suddenly not be available for operational duties on a regular basis.
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"John" should see a dentist not a pharmacist
It will be interesting to watch CASA on this one.
At the end of the day how effective will it be, will CASA have somebody at Alice Springs aerodrome at 3am to check the Westwind going to Darwin, will CASA have somebody at Karratha aerodrome at 7 am on Sunday morning when XYZ's Baron departs for Port Headland, will CASA have somebody at Bundaberg at 08:30 am on a Saturday morning when the local flying school starts, will the bank run pilot going out to Broken Hill pilot get tested on arrival at Broken Hill at Friday lunchtime?
Knowing CASA they will wait until Friday afternoon and hit the domestic terminal at YSSY between 13:30 and 15:30, or will do the police thing and make all pilots pull over on the taxiway and do a random breath test, rego check, licence check etc?
CASA have enough trouble organising staff to conduct ramp checks.
At the end of the day how effective will it be, will CASA have somebody at Alice Springs aerodrome at 3am to check the Westwind going to Darwin, will CASA have somebody at Karratha aerodrome at 7 am on Sunday morning when XYZ's Baron departs for Port Headland, will CASA have somebody at Bundaberg at 08:30 am on a Saturday morning when the local flying school starts, will the bank run pilot going out to Broken Hill pilot get tested on arrival at Broken Hill at Friday lunchtime?
Knowing CASA they will wait until Friday afternoon and hit the domestic terminal at YSSY between 13:30 and 15:30, or will do the police thing and make all pilots pull over on the taxiway and do a random breath test, rego check, licence check etc?
CASA have enough trouble organising staff to conduct ramp checks.
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I have never read such CRAP in all my life, you guys really need to get a life.
It took me 5 minutes to pick up the phone and talk to a CASA safety guy in Brisbane. He was able to direct me to the website and give me all the info I needed, without all the DOOMSDAY **** you guys are spreading.
For starters the legislation is not yet released but I was advised that it would be soon. (Good luck to you saying F.....off when it is approved, you may get quite a shock)
The testing is done via ORAL swab or breath sample, exactly the same way and equipment currently in use by the WA, SA and VIC POLICE.
Yes folkes, you can be (and some may have been already) tested on the road by the POLICE right now. I don't hear any of you whinging about that!!!!!
A company that I worked for in the North of WA, has been undergoing drug and alcohol testing (via urine test) for over three years. this testing is done by the local shire under a WA Gov order for all workers within the shire. Surely in that three years there must have been MANY false positives for people on OTC drugs for headaches and clods/flu's. Well guess what, NO there was not. .There were however a few guys stood down due to being affected by alcohol (non-Pilots), and a whole load more who decided to not risk it after a heavy night.
The testing is to be conducted by an contracted third party who run programs for the government and ports authority around Australia.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your whinging!!
It took me 5 minutes to pick up the phone and talk to a CASA safety guy in Brisbane. He was able to direct me to the website and give me all the info I needed, without all the DOOMSDAY **** you guys are spreading.
For starters the legislation is not yet released but I was advised that it would be soon. (Good luck to you saying F.....off when it is approved, you may get quite a shock)
The testing is done via ORAL swab or breath sample, exactly the same way and equipment currently in use by the WA, SA and VIC POLICE.
Yes folkes, you can be (and some may have been already) tested on the road by the POLICE right now. I don't hear any of you whinging about that!!!!!
A company that I worked for in the North of WA, has been undergoing drug and alcohol testing (via urine test) for over three years. this testing is done by the local shire under a WA Gov order for all workers within the shire. Surely in that three years there must have been MANY false positives for people on OTC drugs for headaches and clods/flu's. Well guess what, NO there was not. .There were however a few guys stood down due to being affected by alcohol (non-Pilots), and a whole load more who decided to not risk it after a heavy night.
The testing is to be conducted by an contracted third party who run programs for the government and ports authority around Australia.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your whinging!!
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Sorry Zhaadum, but it was 2.30PM so I had assumed you would be over it by then. Must have been a good night, Cheers!
Stationair8 (is that a 207?) do you really think it will come to that?
And if it does, are you sure that natural justice won't apply?
I can see how you pilot types can be upset by that prospect, but truly I think all that we are bieng asked to do is comply with a resonable standard. The other day one of our contract customers saw a brochure from CASA on the whole drug and alcohol thing, first thing he did was to call us and ask if it was true that there was no testing and policy requirments. He nearly shat himself when I said there was not.
He was perfectly happy that the Pilots have a good reputation (which I alowed him to continue beliving) when it comes to such things but was woried about engineers and ground staff who don't always have such a good record.
Anyhow all I was really trying to say, was STOP (sorry STOP) guessing and gestulating, go and get the facts and you will find this is no more of an inposition than what you already have from the POLICE. I mean why worry just about your pilots licence, you take EXACTLY the same risks driving to work (.02 vs .05 accepted). In other words there will be no changes needed for MOST of you, but some of us will have to look closely at some other employees.
Cheers, off to get my last Crownie from the fridge.
Stationair8 (is that a 207?) do you really think it will come to that?
And if it does, are you sure that natural justice won't apply?
I can see how you pilot types can be upset by that prospect, but truly I think all that we are bieng asked to do is comply with a resonable standard. The other day one of our contract customers saw a brochure from CASA on the whole drug and alcohol thing, first thing he did was to call us and ask if it was true that there was no testing and policy requirments. He nearly shat himself when I said there was not.
He was perfectly happy that the Pilots have a good reputation (which I alowed him to continue beliving) when it comes to such things but was woried about engineers and ground staff who don't always have such a good record.
Anyhow all I was really trying to say, was STOP (sorry STOP) guessing and gestulating, go and get the facts and you will find this is no more of an inposition than what you already have from the POLICE. I mean why worry just about your pilots licence, you take EXACTLY the same risks driving to work (.02 vs .05 accepted). In other words there will be no changes needed for MOST of you, but some of us will have to look closely at some other employees.
Cheers, off to get my last Crownie from the fridge.
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I will say again - I have had two (2) separate false positives from urine drug tests. I have never seen either drug in my life.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your whinging!!
I will say again - I have had two (2) separate false positives from urine drug tests. I have never seen either drug in my life.
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Drug testing for the mines was it Compstall.
But if you have had two positives, how is it you still have a licence and are not bieng hounded by the POLICE. Sorry as I don't want to make light of your situation but according to the doomsdayers here your whoile life should be ruined. I have never seen or heard what the rate of false positives is for Urine based drug testing is.
So false positives do occur, this is the first time I have heard from someone who has actualy had that happen to them and two of them. All I can say is go buy a lotto ticket.
At the company where I work the senior drivers and us ops types got together and worked our way through a policy with the boss. The policy (not yet completed) gives grace to the posibility of a false positive test. The pilots and ops reps made it clear that while they ALL agreed that an employee who tested positive SHOULD be stood down for that shift, that no penalty can apply to them until such a positive is proven. There was still some concern with this wording so the chief pilot looked up the WA Police oral drug testing information as this is the same type bieng proposed by CASA. The result was that there is an indicative "False Positive" rate of less than 0.5%.
So if CASA intends for 5000 people to be tested each year, at its worst this will be 25 people who may be effected by a false positive. Lets hope that they have a proactive company policy that alows for this circumstance.
Good heaven I found another Crownie in the fridge Hallalooya.
But if you have had two positives, how is it you still have a licence and are not bieng hounded by the POLICE. Sorry as I don't want to make light of your situation but according to the doomsdayers here your whoile life should be ruined. I have never seen or heard what the rate of false positives is for Urine based drug testing is.
So false positives do occur, this is the first time I have heard from someone who has actualy had that happen to them and two of them. All I can say is go buy a lotto ticket.
At the company where I work the senior drivers and us ops types got together and worked our way through a policy with the boss. The policy (not yet completed) gives grace to the posibility of a false positive test. The pilots and ops reps made it clear that while they ALL agreed that an employee who tested positive SHOULD be stood down for that shift, that no penalty can apply to them until such a positive is proven. There was still some concern with this wording so the chief pilot looked up the WA Police oral drug testing information as this is the same type bieng proposed by CASA. The result was that there is an indicative "False Positive" rate of less than 0.5%.
So if CASA intends for 5000 people to be tested each year, at its worst this will be 25 people who may be effected by a false positive. Lets hope that they have a proactive company policy that alows for this circumstance.
Good heaven I found another Crownie in the fridge Hallalooya.
Found on the web by googling. I wonder what CASA has to say to this?
....Of course you won't be flying with some of these medications anyway.
....Of course you won't be flying with some of these medications anyway.
Marijuana False Positives Back to Top
Over-the-counter NSAIDS: lbuprofen; Advil, Nuprin, Mediprim, Motrin, Bayer Select Pain Relief Formula, Excedrin IB Caplets, Genpril, Haltran, lbuprin, Midol 200, Pamprin, Trendar Cramp Relief Formula, Cramp End Tablets, Medipren, Rufln, Naproxen, Aleve, Ketoprofen, Orudis KT. Prescription NSAIDS: Anaprox, Tolectin, ifenoprofen, flurbiprofen, oxaprozin, Ansaid, Clinoril, Dolobid, Feldene, Indocin, Lodine, Meclomen, Motrin, Nalfon, Naprosyn, Orudis, Relafen, Voltaren. Over-the-counter allergy preparations, sleep aids and antinausea medications that contain promethazine: Phenergan, Promethegan. Riboflavin (vitamin B2), Dronabinol, Edecrin.
Cocaine False Positives Back to Top
Amoxicillin, tonic water, kidney infection, kidney disease
liver disease, diabetes.
Amphetamine False Positives Back to Top
Over-the-counter cold and allergy remedies that contain ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, propylephedrine, phenylephrine or desoxyephedrine: Nyquil, Contactd, Sudafed, Allerest 12-Hour, A.R.M., Triaminic 12, Ornade, Tavist-D, Dimetapp, Sinex, Neosynephrine, Actifed, Bayer Selectd Maximum Strength Sinus Pain Relief Caplets, Contact Non-Drowsy Formula Sinus Caplets, Dristan Cold Caplets, Maximum Strength Sine-Aid Tablets, Maximum Strengeth Sudafed Sinus Caplets, Maximum Strength Tylenol Sinus Gelcaps, No Drowsiness Sinarest Tabs, Sinus Excedrin Extra Sterength Caplets, Characol Sinus, Drixoral Cold and Flu, Efidac/24, Phenegan-D, Robitussin Cold and Flu. Over-the-counter diet aids containing phenylpropanolamine: Dexatrim, Accutrim. Over-the-counter nasal sprays: Vicks inhaler, Afrin. Asthma medication: Marax, Bronkaid tablets, Primatine Tablets. Prescription medication: Amfeprainone, Cathne, Etafediabe, Morazone, phendimetrazine, phenmetrazine, benzphetamine, fenfluramine, dexfenfluramine, dexdenflurarnine, Redux, mephentermine, Mesocarb, methoxyphenamine, phentermine, amineptine, Pholedrine, hydroymethamphetamine, Dexedrine, amifepramone, clobenzorex, fenproyorex, mefenorex, fenelylline, Didrex, dextroamphetamine, methphenidate, Ritalin, pemoline, Cylert, selegiline, Deprenyl, Eldepryl, Famprofazone
Opiate False Positives Back to Top
Poppy seeds, Emprin, Tylenol with codeine, Capital with codeine, Margesic, rifampicin, Vicodin, Percodan, Percocet, Wygesic.
Benzodiazepine False Positives Back to Top
Most prescription sleeping pills and anti-anxiety medication.
Barbiturate False Positives Back to Top
Fiorinol, Donnatol, some sleeping pills, antiasthmatic preparations that contain phenobarbitol, Dilantin.
LSD False Positives Back to Top
Migraine medication: egotamine, Ergostat, Cafergot, Wigraine, Imitrex. Hydergine, bromocription, methysergiside, lisuride, lysergol, Artane, triprolidine, amitriptyline (Elavil), dicyclomine (Bentyl), antinausea medications that contain promethazine: Phenergan, Promethegan.
Ecstacy False Positives Back to Top
Ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, propylephedrine, phenylephrine, or desoxyephedrine
(Nyquil, Contact, Sudafed, Allerest, Tavist-D, Dimetapp, etc) Phenegan-D, Robitussin Cold and Flu, Vicks Nyquil Over-the-counter diet aids with phenylpropanolamine (Dexatrim, Accutrim) Over-the-counter nasal sprays (Vicks inhaler, Afrin) Asthma medications (Marax, Bronkaid tablets, Primatine Tablets)
Prescription medications (Amfepramone, Cathne, Etafediabe, Morazone,phendimetrazine, phenmetrazine, benzphetamine, fenfluramine, dexfenfluramine, dexdenfluramine,Redux, mephentermine, Mesocarb, methoxyphenamine, phentermine, amineptine, Pholedrine, hydroymethamphetamine, Dexedrine, amifepramone, clobenzorex, fenproyorex, mefenorex, fenelylline, Didrex, extroamphetamine, methphenidate, Ritalin, pemoline, Cylert, selegiline, Deprenyl, Eldepryl, Famprofazone) Kidney infection, kidney disease Liver disease, diabetes.
Over-the-counter NSAIDS: lbuprofen; Advil, Nuprin, Mediprim, Motrin, Bayer Select Pain Relief Formula, Excedrin IB Caplets, Genpril, Haltran, lbuprin, Midol 200, Pamprin, Trendar Cramp Relief Formula, Cramp End Tablets, Medipren, Rufln, Naproxen, Aleve, Ketoprofen, Orudis KT. Prescription NSAIDS: Anaprox, Tolectin, ifenoprofen, flurbiprofen, oxaprozin, Ansaid, Clinoril, Dolobid, Feldene, Indocin, Lodine, Meclomen, Motrin, Nalfon, Naprosyn, Orudis, Relafen, Voltaren. Over-the-counter allergy preparations, sleep aids and antinausea medications that contain promethazine: Phenergan, Promethegan. Riboflavin (vitamin B2), Dronabinol, Edecrin.
Cocaine False Positives Back to Top
Amoxicillin, tonic water, kidney infection, kidney disease
liver disease, diabetes.
Amphetamine False Positives Back to Top
Over-the-counter cold and allergy remedies that contain ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, propylephedrine, phenylephrine or desoxyephedrine: Nyquil, Contactd, Sudafed, Allerest 12-Hour, A.R.M., Triaminic 12, Ornade, Tavist-D, Dimetapp, Sinex, Neosynephrine, Actifed, Bayer Selectd Maximum Strength Sinus Pain Relief Caplets, Contact Non-Drowsy Formula Sinus Caplets, Dristan Cold Caplets, Maximum Strength Sine-Aid Tablets, Maximum Strengeth Sudafed Sinus Caplets, Maximum Strength Tylenol Sinus Gelcaps, No Drowsiness Sinarest Tabs, Sinus Excedrin Extra Sterength Caplets, Characol Sinus, Drixoral Cold and Flu, Efidac/24, Phenegan-D, Robitussin Cold and Flu. Over-the-counter diet aids containing phenylpropanolamine: Dexatrim, Accutrim. Over-the-counter nasal sprays: Vicks inhaler, Afrin. Asthma medication: Marax, Bronkaid tablets, Primatine Tablets. Prescription medication: Amfeprainone, Cathne, Etafediabe, Morazone, phendimetrazine, phenmetrazine, benzphetamine, fenfluramine, dexfenfluramine, dexdenflurarnine, Redux, mephentermine, Mesocarb, methoxyphenamine, phentermine, amineptine, Pholedrine, hydroymethamphetamine, Dexedrine, amifepramone, clobenzorex, fenproyorex, mefenorex, fenelylline, Didrex, dextroamphetamine, methphenidate, Ritalin, pemoline, Cylert, selegiline, Deprenyl, Eldepryl, Famprofazone
Opiate False Positives Back to Top
Poppy seeds, Emprin, Tylenol with codeine, Capital with codeine, Margesic, rifampicin, Vicodin, Percodan, Percocet, Wygesic.
Benzodiazepine False Positives Back to Top
Most prescription sleeping pills and anti-anxiety medication.
Barbiturate False Positives Back to Top
Fiorinol, Donnatol, some sleeping pills, antiasthmatic preparations that contain phenobarbitol, Dilantin.
LSD False Positives Back to Top
Migraine medication: egotamine, Ergostat, Cafergot, Wigraine, Imitrex. Hydergine, bromocription, methysergiside, lisuride, lysergol, Artane, triprolidine, amitriptyline (Elavil), dicyclomine (Bentyl), antinausea medications that contain promethazine: Phenergan, Promethegan.
Ecstacy False Positives Back to Top
Ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, propylephedrine, phenylephrine, or desoxyephedrine
(Nyquil, Contact, Sudafed, Allerest, Tavist-D, Dimetapp, etc) Phenegan-D, Robitussin Cold and Flu, Vicks Nyquil Over-the-counter diet aids with phenylpropanolamine (Dexatrim, Accutrim) Over-the-counter nasal sprays (Vicks inhaler, Afrin) Asthma medications (Marax, Bronkaid tablets, Primatine Tablets)
Prescription medications (Amfepramone, Cathne, Etafediabe, Morazone,phendimetrazine, phenmetrazine, benzphetamine, fenfluramine, dexfenfluramine, dexdenfluramine,Redux, mephentermine, Mesocarb, methoxyphenamine, phentermine, amineptine, Pholedrine, hydroymethamphetamine, Dexedrine, amifepramone, clobenzorex, fenproyorex, mefenorex, fenelylline, Didrex, extroamphetamine, methphenidate, Ritalin, pemoline, Cylert, selegiline, Deprenyl, Eldepryl, Famprofazone) Kidney infection, kidney disease Liver disease, diabetes.
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The facts:
CASA will be doing random testing (probably from around Aug/Sept, once the regulations have been passed by the parliament) of about 5-10% of the workforce that is performing (or available to perform) safety-sensitive aviation activities (this means anyone - not just rank and file). CASA will not be doing targeted or post-accident testing.
All CASA testing will be via breath sample for alcohol and via oral fluid sample for other drugs. No urine, hair, sweat or blood.
Drugs being tested for are alcohol, cannabis, cocaine, amphetamine-type stimulants and opiates. Medications such as anti-depressants/anti-anxiety, anti-hypertensives, HIV/AIDS medications, viagra, contraceptive pill, cholesterol lowering drugs, etc will not be detected and are of no interest to CASA.
The 0.02% level for alcohol is to account for the fact that some cough syrups, mouthwashes, etc contain small amounts of alcohol. 0.02% is a reliable measure on the breathalysers.
All on-site tests will be subject to a confirmation test (for alcohol, this is done on-site on an evidential machine within around 20 mins ... for other drugs, the sample has to go off to the laboratory for GCMS). All positive test results coming out of a lab must go through a Medical Review Officer for verification and discussion with the sample donor to ascertain whether there could be any legitimate or confounding reason for the result. This is a strong protection for people that return a positive sample.
CASA will be doing random testing (probably from around Aug/Sept, once the regulations have been passed by the parliament) of about 5-10% of the workforce that is performing (or available to perform) safety-sensitive aviation activities (this means anyone - not just rank and file). CASA will not be doing targeted or post-accident testing.
All CASA testing will be via breath sample for alcohol and via oral fluid sample for other drugs. No urine, hair, sweat or blood.
Drugs being tested for are alcohol, cannabis, cocaine, amphetamine-type stimulants and opiates. Medications such as anti-depressants/anti-anxiety, anti-hypertensives, HIV/AIDS medications, viagra, contraceptive pill, cholesterol lowering drugs, etc will not be detected and are of no interest to CASA.
The 0.02% level for alcohol is to account for the fact that some cough syrups, mouthwashes, etc contain small amounts of alcohol. 0.02% is a reliable measure on the breathalysers.
All on-site tests will be subject to a confirmation test (for alcohol, this is done on-site on an evidential machine within around 20 mins ... for other drugs, the sample has to go off to the laboratory for GCMS). All positive test results coming out of a lab must go through a Medical Review Officer for verification and discussion with the sample donor to ascertain whether there could be any legitimate or confounding reason for the result. This is a strong protection for people that return a positive sample.
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CASA oversteps the mark again
If anyone bar a DOCTOR OF MY CHOICE attempts to stick something in ANY OROFICE OF MINE he had better have a mouthguard health insurance and a month or so of sick leave owed to him.
I wonder how Mr Byron would react if Ms Byron was told that if she wants to keep her job she will have to be penetrated is some way by a total stranger who just happens to be the cheapest bidder.
And you F##KWITS are still wondering why there is a pilot shortage
I wonder how Mr Byron would react if Ms Byron was told that if she wants to keep her job she will have to be penetrated is some way by a total stranger who just happens to be the cheapest bidder.
And you F##KWITS are still wondering why there is a pilot shortage
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Adamastor,
Where might one find details of the facts. I had a quick look on the casa website and must have missed it.
So I gather from your post that they are testing for illegal subsances and alcohol only.
Where might one find details of the facts. I had a quick look on the casa website and must have missed it.
So I gather from your post that they are testing for illegal subsances and alcohol only.
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It is a real pity that such an irrational outburst comes from somebody identifying with a fine body of Australian servicemen. Let's keep it informed and rational please
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Clearly not associated with 3RAR, as the ARMY has been doing random drug and alcohol testing for some years.
Mr Hat, the web site is shown on the front of the CASA web page, but I belive it is something like www.aod.gov.au there may be a casa in there somewhere as well.
Mr Hat, the web site is shown on the front of the CASA web page, but I belive it is something like www.aod.gov.au there may be a casa in there somewhere as well.
there was more than one pilot and cabin crew member who had a suck on a oxy bottle to clear the head!
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3RAR, you couldn't have said "I'm a moron any more clearly"
Where would a car driver be if he were to say same to a police random breath tester? If it's legislated for aviation then it's legislated. Live with it.
EMB120... You can't be a pilot. Too much well written, rational literature coming from you.
Where would a car driver be if he were to say same to a police random breath tester? If it's legislated for aviation then it's legislated. Live with it.
EMB120... You can't be a pilot. Too much well written, rational literature coming from you.
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Unfortunately, it is as allways the unimformed irregular user that gets caught in the tests, ( a drunken toke at a party etc)
People regularly using drugs are the people most likely to pass a drug test.
Arm yourself.
Read
http://www.ureasample.com/pass_a_dru..._test_1b.shtml
Forearmed is forewarned guys
People regularly using drugs are the people most likely to pass a drug test.
Arm yourself.
Read
http://www.ureasample.com/pass_a_dru..._test_1b.shtml
Forearmed is forewarned guys
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I want to see the evidence that shows we need this sort of invasion of our privacy due to the high accident rates and the dugs and alcohol that were involved.
What?? You don't have any? Then f@#k off with your fascist tactics.
Oh and by the way I have a medical condition that according to the lists above could get me false positives for drugs I don't take. Will I have to get a letter from my GP every time I get a false positive?
What?? You don't have any? Then f@#k off with your fascist tactics.
Oh and by the way I have a medical condition that according to the lists above could get me false positives for drugs I don't take. Will I have to get a letter from my GP every time I get a false positive?