Airprox above Launceston
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Finally some press. Anyone know if it made the Tele? Online media good, but it needs to get to Joe Public.
Scurvy,
AsA is so Monty Pythonesque it's terrifying
Hope to see you back soon
Scurvy,
AsA is so Monty Pythonesque it's terrifying
Hope to see you back soon
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Launy Tower closed again this arvo and tomorrow arvo also...
Listening on area frequency, there have been 4 RPT movements within 15 minutes (2 x A320, 1 x B737, 1 x DH8C)... by my calculations up to 590 pax seats... this is getting ridiculous!
C111/08
TWR NOT AVBL
MELBOURNE FIR NOTAM C3233/08 REFERS
FROM 05 310400 TO 05 311145
C112/08
TWR NOT AVBL
MELBOURNE FIR NOTAM C3234/08 REFERS
FROM 06 010400 TO 06 011145
TWR NOT AVBL
MELBOURNE FIR NOTAM C3233/08 REFERS
FROM 05 310400 TO 05 311145
C112/08
TWR NOT AVBL
MELBOURNE FIR NOTAM C3234/08 REFERS
FROM 06 010400 TO 06 011145
C3237/08 REVIEW C3233/08
LAUNCESTON CLASS D AND C AIRSPACE F125 AND BLW RECLASSIFIED CLASS G
DUE NON AVAILABILITY OF ATS
FIS AVBL MELBOURNE CENTRE 126.5
CTAF FREQ 118.7(R)
FROM 05 310400 TO 05 311145
LAUNCESTON CLASS D AND C AIRSPACE F125 AND BLW RECLASSIFIED CLASS G
DUE NON AVAILABILITY OF ATS
FIS AVBL MELBOURNE CENTRE 126.5
CTAF FREQ 118.7(R)
FROM 05 310400 TO 05 311145
C3238/08 REVIEW C3234/08
LAUNCESTON CLASS D AND C AIRSPACE F125 AND BLW RECLASSIFIED CLASS G
DUE NON AVAILABILITY OF ATS
FIS AVBL MELBOURNE CENTRE 126.5
CTAF FREQ 118.7(R)
FROM 06 010400 TO 06 011145
LAUNCESTON CLASS D AND C AIRSPACE F125 AND BLW RECLASSIFIED CLASS G
DUE NON AVAILABILITY OF ATS
FIS AVBL MELBOURNE CENTRE 126.5
CTAF FREQ 118.7(R)
FROM 06 010400 TO 06 011145
Absolutely amazing.
1,000,000 passengers a year and Airservices Australia can't staff the tower.
Imagine the spin the PR gurus will put on this, staffing issues, unscheduled sick leave, holidays, we are trying to find somebody to put in the tower, somebodies cat died blah blah blah.
Imagine the bull**** the PR guys have to come up with when we have another near miss when its a CTAFR.
Bet if Canberra tower closed due to staffing issues , it would be fixed asap.
Hurry up and get back to work Scurvy.D.Dog.
1,000,000 passengers a year and Airservices Australia can't staff the tower.
Imagine the spin the PR gurus will put on this, staffing issues, unscheduled sick leave, holidays, we are trying to find somebody to put in the tower, somebodies cat died blah blah blah.
Imagine the bull**** the PR guys have to come up with when we have another near miss when its a CTAFR.
Bet if Canberra tower closed due to staffing issues , it would be fixed asap.
Hurry up and get back to work Scurvy.D.Dog.
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And not just Scurvy, how about the 2 or 3 other ATC's that ASA tell the Govt they have and are meant to have.
If there was a Royal Commission into the Launy fiasco some folk at ASA would be in deep do-do......... probably should be sacked!
Its a disgrace!
As you say if that was Canberra...........
Unfortunately the truth hurts and the facts are hard to bury
I better quite before I start more trouble!
J
If there was a Royal Commission into the Launy fiasco some folk at ASA would be in deep do-do......... probably should be sacked!
Its a disgrace!
As you say if that was Canberra...........
Unfortunately the truth hurts and the facts are hard to bury
I better quite before I start more trouble!
J
Probably cardboard cutouts!
Local politicians must be in bed with Airservices Australia management, not a peep out of the gutless elected members.
Doing a google on the local politicians and this is what you get:
Mr Dick Adams ALP
Ms Jody Campbell ALP
Mr Guy Barnett Liberal
Funny how we don't see them taking the fight up with Airservices Australia.
Notice CASA don't seem to do much either, you scratch my back and I scratch your back, nudge nudge wink wink.
If only the travelling public knew the truth.
Local politicians must be in bed with Airservices Australia management, not a peep out of the gutless elected members.
Doing a google on the local politicians and this is what you get:
Mr Dick Adams ALP
Ms Jody Campbell ALP
Mr Guy Barnett Liberal
Funny how we don't see them taking the fight up with Airservices Australia.
Notice CASA don't seem to do much either, you scratch my back and I scratch your back, nudge nudge wink wink.
If only the travelling public knew the truth.
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Bet if Canberra tower closed due to staffing issues , it would be fixed asap.
C3260/08
TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ACTIVE
ATC, FIS AND ALERTING SERVICES NORMALLY PROVIDED BY CANBERRA TERMINAL CONTROL UNIT IN CLASS C AIRSPACE WITHIN 30 NM OF CANBERRA ARE NOT AVBL DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. SERVICES AFFECTED:
APPROACH AND DEPARTURES CONTROL PROVIDED BY CANBERRA APPROACH ON FREQUENCIES 124.5 AND 125.9. ACCESS TO EFFECTED AIRSPACE WILL BE RESTRICTED CANBERRA TOWER OR MELBOURNE CENTRE WILL CONTROL ACCESS TO THE RESTRICTED AREA PILOTS-IN-COMMAND ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLISION AVOIDANCE WITHIN THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE.MANDATORY BROADCAST AND TIBA PROCEDURES APPLY WITHIN THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE AND ARE DETAILED IN AIP GEN 3.3.
DIRECTED TRAFFIC INFORMATION WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE. ADJACENT ATC UNITS WILL PROVIDE ADVICE REGARDING POTENTIAL COLLISION HAZARDS, WORKLOAD PERMITTING. FLIGHT INFORMATION SERVICE (FIS) AVAILABLE FROM ATS UNITS PROVIDING FIS IN ADJACENT AIRSPACE OR FROM PILOT BRIEFING
SAR ALERTING WILL BE PROVIDED BY CANBERRA TOWER ONLY FOR THOSE FLIGHTS LANDING AT CANBERRA AERODROME. SARTIME-BASED ALERTING SERVICE FOR OTHER FLIGHTS WILL BE AVAILABLE ON REQUEST FROM FLIGHTWATCH ON HF.
WHERE APPLICABLE ATC WILL ISSUE INBOUND AIRCRAFT A STAR CLNC. IN CONTINGENCY AIRSPACE, TRACKING IS AT PILOT DISCRETION. PRIOR TO OPERATING IN THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE, PILOTS MUST: OBTAIN A BRIEFING ON CONTINGENCY PROCEDURES FROM MELBOURNE CENTRE OPERATIONS DIRECTOR ON +613 92357597 AND IF INTENDING TO ARRIVE OR DEPART FROM CANBERRA OBTAIN A PROGRAMMED LANDING OR TAKE-OFF TIME.
PILOTS MUST ALSO:
OPERATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE IFR AND DISPLAY NAVIGATION AND ANTI COLLISION LIGHTS AT ALL TIMES. OPERATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH MANDATORY BROADCAST PROCEDURES ON 125.9 MHZ. CONTACT CANBERRA TOWER ON 118.7 MHZ PRIOR TO JOINING OR APPROACHING THE CIRCUIT AREA. RE ERSA FAC C-18 FLIGHT PROCEDURES POINT 4: TRA REPLACES TOWER AIRSPACE ARBITER: AIRSERVICES AUSTRALIA 61 3 92357579 CONTROLLING AUTHORITY: CASA
SFC TO 8500FT AMSL FROM 05 311000 TO 05 311300
C3261/08
DIRECTED TRAFFIC INFORMATION, FIS AND ALERTING SER PROVIDED BY CANBERRA TERMINAL CONTROL UNIT, IN CLASS G AIRSPACE WITHIN 30 NM OF CANBERRA NOT AVBL DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE.
SERVICES AFFECTED: RADAR AND DIRECTED TRAFFIC INFORMATION, PROVIDED BY CANBERRA TERMINAL AND CANBERRA RADAR ON FREQUENCIES 124.5 AND 125.9. TIBA (TRAFFIC INFORMATION BROADCAST BY AIRCRAFT) PROCEDURES APPLY TO IFR FLIGHTS OPERATING WITHIN THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE AND ARE DETAILED IN AIP GEN 3.3. CTAF FREQ AND PROCEDURES REMAIN UNCHANGED.
FLIGHT INFORMATION SERVICE (FIS) AVAILABLE FROM PILOT BRIEFING OR FLIGHTWATCH. SARTIME-BASED ALERTING SERVICE AVAILABLE ON REQUEST FROM FLIGHTWATCH. PRIOR TO OPERATING IN THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE, PILOTS OF IFR FLIGHTS MUST OBTAIN A BRIEFING FROM MELBOURNE CENTRE OPERATIONS DIRECTOR ON +613 92357597. WHERE AN AIRCRAFT HAS TWO VHF RADIOS, MONITOR THE APPROPRIATE FIA FREQUENCY AND CTAF AND BROADCAST AS REQUIRED.
PILOTS OF IFR FLIGHTS MUST ALSO:
1. OPERATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE IFR AND DISPLAY NAVIGATION AND ANTI COLLISION LIGHTS AT ALL TIMES.
2. WHERE AN AIRCRAFT HAS TWO VHF RADIOS. MONITOR 126.35 AND BROADCAST AS REQUIRED.
FROM 05 311000 TO 05 311300
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Back to the original topic. Unbelievable as it sounds, even thought the controller provided traffic to the two a/c, because the controller didn't say "traffic alert" as the two went past each other, the final determination of this investigation has been recorded as "ATS attributable".
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Well, Rog, that is probably the correct determination. As long as there is an explanatory clause dealing with the mismanagment of ANS.
Or at least add the word "ATS management attributable".
If the world wants to know where all those dollars are that should be used to provide services, they need look no further than, say, AsA's legal bills. Rumour has it that the venerable AsA recently won an international tender to provide services to a foreign government. AsA then dicked around the staff for the contract to the point that they decided to give it a miss. AsA allegedly now facing $10 million damages legal action. Probably the stuff of another thread- but just goes to show how they operate and where the money that could be used to staff towers, actually goes.
Or at least add the word "ATS management attributable".
If the world wants to know where all those dollars are that should be used to provide services, they need look no further than, say, AsA's legal bills. Rumour has it that the venerable AsA recently won an international tender to provide services to a foreign government. AsA then dicked around the staff for the contract to the point that they decided to give it a miss. AsA allegedly now facing $10 million damages legal action. Probably the stuff of another thread- but just goes to show how they operate and where the money that could be used to staff towers, actually goes.
I'm in one of those moods
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Gag Select - OFF
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Stationair
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I am doing EVERTHING I can to return, have been for months.
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Without saying too much, I would use this analogy:-
...would a bear walk back into the same woods where it knew traps and shooters (with a penchant) were (from past experience) known to be waiting?
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The traps and shooters are not local BTW
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They know what needs to be done!
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Gag Select - RESET
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Stationair
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I am doing EVERTHING I can to return, have been for months.
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Without saying too much, I would use this analogy:-
...would a bear walk back into the same woods where it knew traps and shooters (with a penchant) were (from past experience) known to be waiting?
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The traps and shooters are not local BTW
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They know what needs to be done!
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Gag Select - RESET
Hey Scurvy, apparently it's all ticky boo in Launceston Tower, Senator Kerry O'Brien says in the estimates hearing that another person has been transferred and the person on long term sick leave will be returning soon.
Don't you just love happy endings!!!!
definition of soon-next week, next month, next year?
When you get back give my regards to Bwuce in Car8.
Don't you just love happy endings!!!!
definition of soon-next week, next month, next year?
When you get back give my regards to Bwuce in Car8.
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Launy closed the whole day today. Spent all day playing Launy approach along with everything else on the 400x400nm wide screen. Zoom in, Zoom out, zoom in, zoom out. Gotta love the magical words "switching to the CTAF", lol. Fun and games? Hmmm... Thank God it was a Sunday.
Desperate now, Scurvy, Come on down...
Desperate now, Scurvy, Come on down...
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Radar at Launceston
I was curious about the radar at LT. I gather from Roger's comments above that LT approach is now provided using radar by a controller in ML CEN. Do the controllers in LT TWR now only provide TWR services, as opposed to the procedural tower it used to be?
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RektlSfinkta,
Launy airspace is still procedural 8500 and below. They have a feed from the radar (TSAD) but it is not used for separation. ML CEN gets the use of all the toys.
j*1
Launy airspace is still procedural 8500 and below. They have a feed from the radar (TSAD) but it is not used for separation. ML CEN gets the use of all the toys.
j*1
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RektlSfinkta,
The Launy Approach line was tongue in cheek. My point was that with the tower closed, not only were we running a huge block of airspace but also had constant distractions of zooming into Lt to provide potential TRAFFIC ALERTs. With the tower closed, the airspace is "G" below F125 (tower owns up to A085, when it's open).
The irony these days is that controllers are more likely to be stood down for something that happpens in G or E airspace than in C or A.
The Launy Approach line was tongue in cheek. My point was that with the tower closed, not only were we running a huge block of airspace but also had constant distractions of zooming into Lt to provide potential TRAFFIC ALERTs. With the tower closed, the airspace is "G" below F125 (tower owns up to A085, when it's open).
The irony these days is that controllers are more likely to be stood down for something that happpens in G or E airspace than in C or A.
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I'm still confused how this is even an issue................ High capacity jets and turboprops operate in class g airspace every day of the year at a number of australian airports that are just as busy as launy!! B737 F100 B717 DH8 into Karratha, B737 ATR42 DHC8 EMB120 SF340 into Mt Isa most afternoons. Professional Jet and turboprop crews are not #&ckwits they are more than capable of seperating themselves. NO RA both crews aware of each other.... NO ISSUE!! People just get too excited on this site somtimes...........
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Show me your movement rates to prove this.
So how close is to close?
Right up to the point they slam into each other.
High capacity jets and turboprops operate in class g airspace every day of the year at a number of australian airports that are just as busy as launy!!
NO RA both crews aware of each other....
People just get too excited on this site somtimes...........
Show me your movement rates to prove this.
Aircraft Movements - Launceston Airport Change
Year end 30 June (thousands) 2007 06 to 07
Regular public transport 9.7 2.1%
General Aviation 4.8 (12.7%)
Total 14.5 (3.3%)
Mount Isa Website Facts and Figures
Mount Isa Airport operates:
• Domestic RPT services, provided by Qantas
• Regional Domestic services, operated by ******, both scheduled and charter
• In addition there are many General Aviation operators based at Mount Isa Airport
Key passenger statistics:
• 163, 000 passenger movements in the financial year 2006/07.
• Growth in passengers from 2005/06 to 2006/07: 18.34%
• Average annual growth rate over 6 years (from 2001/02 to 2006/07): 15.42%