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Merged: QANTASLINK Crewing Crisis!

Old 4th Feb 2008, 21:51
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Qantaslink in "Crisis"

The few and far between skilled managers have seen the writing on the wall for the past 12 months and have left.

On the other hand, the opportunistic managers that are left are having difficulty in dealing with the ability to make command and pro-active decisions to benefit the company.

According to the CP the company is in "CRISIS".

For anyone thinking of joining Qantaslink, do it for 4-5 months then get out!

The company will lose 20% of the pilot group in the next 4-6 months and its going to get far worse before it gets better.

- Annual leave is being cancelled. So forget the benefit of staff travel.
- Bids to move within the network are being cancelled.
- 150 hour F/O's on the way to "fix" the problems.
- All reserve days gone.
- Bullying management style highly on the rise.


The 'lifestyle' choice of working for Qantaslink is dead. Why get flogged at this company when the pilot group is the worst paid Dash 8 drivers in the world. Might as well get flogged somewhere else and get paid more, wouldn't you think!!

The accountants have killed Qantaslink... the ship is sinking and sinking fast.

The other advice to newbies is, if you want to progress into Qantas mainline, 'progression will never happen' for Qantaslink pilots according to the C.P.

The Jungle Jet has got the management team in a spin. Good to see competition kicking in. Remember...before you join...'the company is in crisis'.

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Old 4th Feb 2008, 21:57
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where's your source of info for all this champ?
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 21:59
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The Townsville refueler of course!
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 22:09
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2P2D,

Yadot is spot on. The place is falling apart around them.

The have taken 3 great airlines, Southern, Eastern and Sunstate, and put them in a place that will take a miracle to get out of. Yes, I work there, but am not sure for how much longer.

I, like many, thought things couldn't get much worse. Our GM is basically going to park his fleet of planes before listening to his people.

This is devastating for those of us that really enjoy our job. We stayed here for the lifestyle and the people we worked with.

RIP Qantas regionals.

A very disillusioned Capt Stoobing.
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 22:26
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Any of you folk want to start a regional airlline?
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 22:32
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Don't worry, at Rex we have the same problem. We must share the same management or they come from the same school.
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 22:43
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Thumbs down

CP is counting on Rex tipping over in the next couple of months. He thinks it'll get him access to DEC's and solve his problems wrt crew.
Crystal ball says REX gone in 2 months. QL in six.

Wonder what the shareholders think of NK, PL and their cronies driving all the staff away (not just pilots) and the company into the ground? Probably got no idea



Oh the pain......the pain
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 22:44
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The accountants have killed Qantaslink... the ship is sinking and sinking fast.
How the hell can you come to that conclusion???? Its the management that really do this and accountants just do the figures on what the management have requested.

Seriously think before you post
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 22:57
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I guess though many of the managers have an accounting background of some sort!

Your figures may look good in the next 6 months, to the end of the financial year, but how about doing a 5 year analysis and stop looking at the short term goals of that nice bonus!

Its easy for accountants to get up and move on....and its getting easier for pilots to get up and move on... the problem is that management in Regionals have never in Australia had to deal with this movement!

So what's the problem, well they don't know what to do. Simple!
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 23:00
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The Jungle Jet has got the management team in a spin.
That's what happens when you put a boat against a jet.

How the hell can you come to that conclusion???? Its the management that really do this and accountants just do the figures on what the management have requested.

Seriously think before you post
Oh no it's not. The beancounters run the new world, Skystar 320. And as megapixels has pointed out, most managers ARE (or were) beancounters!
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 23:19
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Crystal ball says REX gone in 2 months. QL in six.
Rex maybe but its a big call to say QL will be 'gone'. Operating in a reduced capacity with aircraft parked then yeah............
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 23:45
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Rex gone in two months?

Seriously, you guys need to research before you post as you sounds like bloody idiots.........Rex is so cashed up its not possible to close yet! Reduced services maybe if they lose more staff, but close doors....I don't think so! The country areas need their services!

Find something else to whinge about!
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Old 4th Feb 2008, 23:52
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I also heard a wisper that Qlink did not produce the latest roster for pilots, when required by the EBA, and that it is coming out a week late?

AFAP have taken this onboard!


Maybe a sign!
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Old 5th Feb 2008, 00:10
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TweetTweet, if I take your argument to the logical conclusion (in my mind), is there a feeling in management that if too many routes are closed the guvmint will be expected to step in?

A cashed up company with too few pilots translates (again, in my mind) to a demand by knowing shareholders to get their money and run before the unknowing shareholder catches on. The modern manager has the entire focus on the shareholder of course and will do what's best for the shareholder if he/she doesn't pack up first and make a run for it.

There was competition for passengers 12 months ago. The regional exec needs to come to terms with the fact that the competition for pilots has become a bigger priority for the moment.

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Old 5th Feb 2008, 02:06
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Lodown.

To the point and spot on.

TweetTweet.

The country areas do need their sevices, but the Chairman has stated that he would rather cut off his arms (first hand quote) than pay his pilots more! Whether he was being litteral or talking analogous with respect to the country srevices, well, you be the judge.

REX has stated publicly that it will reduce services if necessary to survive. Just how far that reduction goes is probably anybodies guess, but based on the past and projected attrition of experienced pilots, and the collapse of the market of suitable candidates, REX will be lucky if it is half it's current size in 12 months!

QF Link are in exactly the same boat. You're right about their management Troopy, what other conclusion can you draw? Make no mistake, the future of the regional airlines depend on one thing an one thing only. Pilots!!!! And there aint' nearly enough of them.

As far as the government stepping in, unless they will be providing funds to drastically increase wages (unlikely), they may as well spend the dough on Rail or buses!
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Old 5th Feb 2008, 02:10
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Can anyone give me a link to the latest EBA, looked on wagenet.gov.au and the latest I can see is 2003. Cheers
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Old 5th Feb 2008, 02:39
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You Dash chaps should check out the cash on offer over at surveillance.

Seems like the smaller turbine operators are adapting to the change in supply quicker.
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Old 5th Feb 2008, 04:11
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Lunatics running the asylum at QL.

Rumour has it that management bought a Q400 down to Sydney to combat the ejets launch on Monday then had to have a crisis meeting Sunday night because there was no crew to fly the aircraft. They had to park it against the fence and left the lucrative Gladstone market with reduced flights and no overnighting aircraft there.

But dont worry weve ordered more Q400's. That will want to make everyone stay.
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Old 5th Feb 2008, 04:42
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Enough to make you weep!
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Old 5th Feb 2008, 05:36
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That is correct re: 400 in SYD and the subsequent flow on from that.

Quite sad.

What our "Leaders" have to realise is they don't need to throw lots of money at their staff to stay. Some of us want to stay anyway, but they must offer a career path to those that want it. Money wise ; incorporate the retention bonus into the wages and watch them stay.

You could argue that there was no career path when they joined so stiff; but things have changed dramatically. We are now faced with the situation of competition again. In QLD there has been no competition since Flight West and in NSW competition is limited to a few routes. With VB on the scene, we are going to get desimated, not just on price and product, but on customer service and community backlash.

Why won't they listen.

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