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Jetstar offers baggage-free discount
Jetstar offers baggage-free discount
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | February 12, 2008
JETSTAR will offer a discount on its fares to passengers who travel with carry-on baggage only.
The airline announced today that it was introducing a new Jetsaver Light product that would offer a $10 discount on domestic routes and charge $20 less on international flights to passengers who did not have checked baggage.
It supported the launch with a 1 cent one-way sale on six routes, including Sydney-Melbourne-Avalon, Melbourne-Hobart and Brisbane-Newcastle. The fare is the lowest ever offered by an Australian carrier but just 5000 are available and only to the airline's e-mail subscribers.
Jetstar chief executive Alan Joyce said the new fare product would provide a fresh incentive to take a short leisure break or business trip on the carrier's expanding network.
"Many of our customers want the choice to travel for leisure or work with no checked-in baggage, and as our airline achieves real cost savings through this decision, we believe a lower air fare should be passed back as the trade-off,'' Mr Joyce said
"JetSaver Light gives our customers for the first time the choice to travel with carry on luggage only at even lower prices. Offering more choice to customers, allowing them to pay for only the services they value when flying Jetstar will, we believe, stimulate even greater demand for travel on our network."
The carry-on discounts are not available on fares to Japan or the US.
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | February 12, 2008
JETSTAR will offer a discount on its fares to passengers who travel with carry-on baggage only.
The airline announced today that it was introducing a new Jetsaver Light product that would offer a $10 discount on domestic routes and charge $20 less on international flights to passengers who did not have checked baggage.
It supported the launch with a 1 cent one-way sale on six routes, including Sydney-Melbourne-Avalon, Melbourne-Hobart and Brisbane-Newcastle. The fare is the lowest ever offered by an Australian carrier but just 5000 are available and only to the airline's e-mail subscribers.
Jetstar chief executive Alan Joyce said the new fare product would provide a fresh incentive to take a short leisure break or business trip on the carrier's expanding network.
"Many of our customers want the choice to travel for leisure or work with no checked-in baggage, and as our airline achieves real cost savings through this decision, we believe a lower air fare should be passed back as the trade-off,'' Mr Joyce said
"JetSaver Light gives our customers for the first time the choice to travel with carry on luggage only at even lower prices. Offering more choice to customers, allowing them to pay for only the services they value when flying Jetstar will, we believe, stimulate even greater demand for travel on our network."
The carry-on discounts are not available on fares to Japan or the US.
Clearly, one cent fares inclusive of taxes and surcharges are being peddled at significantly less than the cost of production. Is this predatory pricing and an offence under the Trade Pratices Act?
Lastly, how could anyone possibly put a value on any of the 'services' offered by Jetstar as 'service' seems to be an oxymoron when applied to this mob.
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From another story in The Australian
The spin must be making everyone giddy. As Jetstar say that the charges for loading will be less if there's less baggage, this means either there will be fewer loaders or loaders will be paid by the bag. I should think it will take a long time for any savings to be accrued apart from a minute saving as a result of lower fuel burns. How much more cr@p can we expect from AJ's spin doctors?
Anyone know what the increased carry-on limit is?
Jetstar said its offer of reduced fares to passengers with only carry-on luggage aimed to give it a competitive edge.
"The airline gets a saving because one of the biggest components of cost we have to pay is loading and unloading bags," chief executive Alan Joyce said.
"It gives more transparency to the consumer about who has the lowest airfares. We think it appeals to the business traveller and short-break traveller, and allows us to promote a lower airfare for those customers."
The airline keeps its 20kg checked luggage allowance for people paying the full Jetsaver fare, and noted this was 5kg more than Tiger's allowance.
People who book a Jetsaver Light fare and then decide to take luggage will have to pay the fare difference plus a $10 change fee. The discounts will not be available on the airline's more expensive Jetflex fares or on flights to the US and Japan.
Mr Joyce said personal experience prompted the decision to negotiate an increased carry-on limit with the regulator. "I know from my travels 7kg was a little bit tight if you wanted to do an overnight bag or go away for a couple of days," he said.
"The airline gets a saving because one of the biggest components of cost we have to pay is loading and unloading bags," chief executive Alan Joyce said.
"It gives more transparency to the consumer about who has the lowest airfares. We think it appeals to the business traveller and short-break traveller, and allows us to promote a lower airfare for those customers."
The airline keeps its 20kg checked luggage allowance for people paying the full Jetsaver fare, and noted this was 5kg more than Tiger's allowance.
People who book a Jetsaver Light fare and then decide to take luggage will have to pay the fare difference plus a $10 change fee. The discounts will not be available on the airline's more expensive Jetflex fares or on flights to the US and Japan.
Mr Joyce said personal experience prompted the decision to negotiate an increased carry-on limit with the regulator. "I know from my travels 7kg was a little bit tight if you wanted to do an overnight bag or go away for a couple of days," he said.
Anyone know what the increased carry-on limit is?
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I really don't see what the problem is with this. Its been going on in the US and Europe for years and now Australian travellers have the opportunity to have a cheaper fare by 'selling' their baggage right. The problem will be if Jetstar do not portray the terms and conditions to the traveller to a comprehensible level. It will be a sh!tfight at the gate to the Jetstar staff when someone tries to sneak on a tea chest as carry on.
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10 Kg's WTF
More than likely they will trying 12-15 kg's.And who is going to police this at the gate !!
Once onboard and all the O/head lockers are full and the GS demanding push-back,guess who's left with the problem.The CC who else.
I can see angry punters and delays due to offloaded baggage ahead.
More delays will be inevitiable, but the "SPIN" sounds good.
Once onboard and all the O/head lockers are full and the GS demanding push-back,guess who's left with the problem.The CC who else.
I can see angry punters and delays due to offloaded baggage ahead.
More delays will be inevitiable, but the "SPIN" sounds good.
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sigh.....Ryanair reinvented.....
just wait for the issues when the J* pax are xferred to QF flights......
I think the cargo doors will be closing a lot later due to gnd staff filling up the chutes.
but then it comes from that special kind of irish logic that suggested at a recent media soiree that he'd like to experimeemnt with a FREE seat policy and make the $ from the extras.......
..........jeez sounds like my divorce lawyer....$1 for p'copy, $50 to anser the phone, etc.,............$2 to talk to a FA, $10 if you want a safety demo.......betcha the bugger would even want to charge the punters for listening to the FO putting the cricket scores over the PA......
just wait for the issues when the J* pax are xferred to QF flights......
I think the cargo doors will be closing a lot later due to gnd staff filling up the chutes.
but then it comes from that special kind of irish logic that suggested at a recent media soiree that he'd like to experimeemnt with a FREE seat policy and make the $ from the extras.......
..........jeez sounds like my divorce lawyer....$1 for p'copy, $50 to anser the phone, etc.,............$2 to talk to a FA, $10 if you want a safety demo.......betcha the bugger would even want to charge the punters for listening to the FO putting the cricket scores over the PA......
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What a ridiculous 'initiative'. Why do they assume automatically that something that works in Europe (if indeed it does) or the US will just take off here in Oz.
We saw that with the free seating policy when JQ first started flying in Oz & the general public hated it. It has left Jetstar with that cheap-arsed reputation that they'll never be able to shake off.
And as for changing the carry on baggage limit from 7 to 10 kilos. Clearly no thought went into that one. So many people have a journey that comprises more that one airline so they'll be okay for the JQ leg then be arguing with the F/A's on the next carrier about why 10kg is too much.
Even when pax are only travelling on JQ sounds like management just like creating more work for ground staff eg if a pax rocks up with a bag over 10 kg and thereby has to pay the diff between the carry on only fare vs the fare that allows a checked baggage allowance then another $10 change fee!
Doesn't apply on the DRW-SIN flight as it's not uncommon to leave 50 plus bags plus behind because the A320 aircraft doesn't have the uplift required for that sector. This is on an aircraft minus the containers. When they add another half tonne for the extra 7 cans the problem will only get worse.
If consumers want lower airfares they should stop going into travel agents thinking it'll be cheaper & start booking direct on the airline websites. Some agents mark up the web fares by ridiculous amounts and take advantage of the fact a lot of customers are too lazy to do their own ground work. By all means use the agents website to compare the fares for all airlines operating on that route but book your fare direct on the airlines site.
No credit card? Get a visa debit card and stop making excuses!
We saw that with the free seating policy when JQ first started flying in Oz & the general public hated it. It has left Jetstar with that cheap-arsed reputation that they'll never be able to shake off.
And as for changing the carry on baggage limit from 7 to 10 kilos. Clearly no thought went into that one. So many people have a journey that comprises more that one airline so they'll be okay for the JQ leg then be arguing with the F/A's on the next carrier about why 10kg is too much.
Even when pax are only travelling on JQ sounds like management just like creating more work for ground staff eg if a pax rocks up with a bag over 10 kg and thereby has to pay the diff between the carry on only fare vs the fare that allows a checked baggage allowance then another $10 change fee!
"The airline gets a saving because one of the biggest components of cost we have to pay is loading and unloading bags," chief executive Alan Joyce said".
"It gives more transparency to the consumer about who has the lowest airfares. We think it appeals to the business traveller and short-break traveller, and allows us to promote a lower airfare for those customers."
No credit card? Get a visa debit card and stop making excuses!
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Advertising benefits
One likely benfit of this new fare type is that is makes it easier to advertise cheap fares, as you can often pick up extra revenue through checked baggage fees. In today's environment of frequent price based promotions this is useful.
Fo example with a $10 baggage fee (plus a $10 surchage if you check in at the counter) its a bit easier to advertise a $1 fare, knowing you will either save a bit on baggage handling or make it up on baggage fees.
Equally the $59 fare becomes advertised as a $49 fare.
Fo example with a $10 baggage fee (plus a $10 surchage if you check in at the counter) its a bit easier to advertise a $1 fare, knowing you will either save a bit on baggage handling or make it up on baggage fees.
Equally the $59 fare becomes advertised as a $49 fare.
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U are one angry and silly little camper
Doesn't apply on the DRW-SIN flight as it's not uncommon to leave 50 plus bags plus behind because the A320 aircraft doesn't have the uplift required for that sector. This is on an aircraft minus the containers. When they add another half tonne for the extra 7 cans the problem will only get worse.
Gee have you really thought the above statement out. Travelling with less reduces bags in the hold. More work for the groundies. Poo Hoo. Actually I thought less bags to be put in hold. Yeah whatever.
Jetstar offer a small incentive. A tiny one at that but who does it hurt. Gee 10 or 20 bucks. Still buys me lunch and on a $100 airfare still a 10% saving.
"What a ridiculous 'initiative'. Why do they assume automatically that something that works in Europe (if indeed it does) or the US will just take off here in Oz"
You sound paranoid. We are all still human. Just from down under
"Some agents mark up the web fares by ridiculous amounts and take advantage of the fact a lot of customers are too lazy to do their own ground work"
who cares.
Your pent up frustration could be fixed up if you let yourself go out and got a bit. PM me sweety. Don't worry about Jetstar they will do just fine without your input. The alternative is Virgin or Tiger.
Some agents mark up the web fares by ridiculous amounts and take advantage of the fact a lot of customers are too lazy to do their own ground work.
Who cares. I certainly don't. It's like geting an insurance quote and accepting the first or mum and dad were members of NRMA for 20 years. THere will always be idiots. THat's how money is made.
Why do you clowns insist Virgin are a full service carrier. They are another LCC like Jetstar and Tiger. Qantas v Virgin umm noooo. Virgin V Jetstar bingo!
Mainline = full service
LCC = Jetstar, Virgin and Tiger
Qantas will never lose market share when it is comprised of a full service carrier and an LCC.
Get it bloody right
U are one angry and silly little camper
Doesn't apply on the DRW-SIN flight as it's not uncommon to leave 50 plus bags plus behind because the A320 aircraft doesn't have the uplift required for that sector. This is on an aircraft minus the containers. When they add another half tonne for the extra 7 cans the problem will only get worse.
Gee have you really thought the above statement out. Travelling with less reduces bags in the hold. More work for the groundies. Poo Hoo. Actually I thought less bags to be put in hold. Yeah whatever.
Jetstar offer a small incentive. A tiny one at that but who does it hurt. Gee 10 or 20 bucks. Still buys me lunch and on a $100 airfare still a 10% saving.
"What a ridiculous 'initiative'. Why do they assume automatically that something that works in Europe (if indeed it does) or the US will just take off here in Oz"
You sound paranoid. We are all still human. Just from down under
"Some agents mark up the web fares by ridiculous amounts and take advantage of the fact a lot of customers are too lazy to do their own ground work"
who cares.
Your pent up frustration could be fixed up if you let yourself go out and got a bit. PM me sweety. Don't worry about Jetstar they will do just fine without your input. The alternative is Virgin or Tiger.
Some agents mark up the web fares by ridiculous amounts and take advantage of the fact a lot of customers are too lazy to do their own ground work.
Who cares. I certainly don't. It's like geting an insurance quote and accepting the first or mum and dad were members of NRMA for 20 years. THere will always be idiots. THat's how money is made.
Why do you clowns insist Virgin are a full service carrier. They are another LCC like Jetstar and Tiger. Qantas v Virgin umm noooo. Virgin V Jetstar bingo!
Mainline = full service
LCC = Jetstar, Virgin and Tiger
Qantas will never lose market share when it is comprised of a full service carrier and an LCC.
Get it bloody right
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Here we go again - same old, same old.
Jetstar make an announcement - it really doesn't matter what it is (unless it's closing down) and the same group gleefully jump on the anti Jetstar bandwagon. No prizes for guessing which airline the majority of them work for.
On the other hand, their Union is desperately trying to convince the Jetstsar pilots that they should get into bed with them.
As an aside, I wonder if the heavy landing in DRW had been a JQ aircraft would the Pprune response have been so mellow? Particularly if it had been a JQ A330....... mmmm I can almost hear the salivation from here - Pavlov eat your heart out.
Jetstar make an announcement - it really doesn't matter what it is (unless it's closing down) and the same group gleefully jump on the anti Jetstar bandwagon. No prizes for guessing which airline the majority of them work for.
On the other hand, their Union is desperately trying to convince the Jetstsar pilots that they should get into bed with them.
As an aside, I wonder if the heavy landing in DRW had been a JQ aircraft would the Pprune response have been so mellow? Particularly if it had been a JQ A330....... mmmm I can almost hear the salivation from here - Pavlov eat your heart out.
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Capt.TuneDog ..
How many international travelers do you know that only carry 10k in their luggage?
I thought Miss B's comment made sense.
You're a little bit touchy yourself!
How many international travelers do you know that only carry 10k in their luggage?
I thought Miss B's comment made sense.
You're a little bit touchy yourself!
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Capt.TuneDog ..
"How many international travelers do you know that only carry 10k in their luggage?"
My children travel with less than 10kg Trans Tasman, especially for summer holidays
Also it would be possible, one way or another, for a family of 4 to arrange things so that they get away with 2 or 3 checked bags and use the Jet Light fare to money on 1 or 2 family members.
"How many international travelers do you know that only carry 10k in their luggage?"
My children travel with less than 10kg Trans Tasman, especially for summer holidays
Also it would be possible, one way or another, for a family of 4 to arrange things so that they get away with 2 or 3 checked bags and use the Jet Light fare to money on 1 or 2 family members.
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capt.cynical:
With JQ: aren't the "Gate Staff" usually a mix of check-in and CC? I'm pretty sure that staff I've seen at JQ gates also act as CC (unless they've started cloning!!) Wouldn't it be in CC's own interest to refuse all oversize/weight at the Gate? Isn't this what they do now?
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More than likely they will trying 12-15 kg's.And who is going to police this at the gate !!
Once onboard and all the O/head lockers are full and the GS demanding push-back,guess who's left with the problem.The CC who else.
Once onboard and all the O/head lockers are full and the GS demanding push-back,guess who's left with the problem.The CC who else.
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I have never flown Jetstar,you maybe right.
What I will say is with this increased cabin baggage allowance you are going to see alot more oversize bags at the gate.This will cause more of the "its only me" arguments and ensuing tears and tantrums
,hence more delays.
What I will say is with this increased cabin baggage allowance you are going to see alot more oversize bags at the gate.This will cause more of the "its only me" arguments and ensuing tears and tantrums
,hence more delays.
One of the small number of survivors of the KAL B747 crash on approach to Guam was a Kiwi helicopter pilot. He attributes his survival to two things, 1. he was seated near the rear of the aeroplane and 2. at the time of the impact he was bent forward tying up his shoelaces, ie he effectively was in the "Brace" position and his head was below the height of the seat backs. Many of the pax seated around him perished as a result of severe head trauma when they were hit by sections of overhead bins which had broken from their mounts as a result of impact forces. He views overhead bins as lethal in a crash, so, does the increase in pax bag weight that Jetstar proposes mean that they will become more lethal in that they may break their mounts when lower forces are encountered? I agree with Capt Cynical in that pax will jam as much as possible in their cabin bags to avoid paying $10 for a checked bag.
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How do they know that a bag is 10kg by looking at it? They do not have scales at the gate. If a passenger does On Line Check In (at home), no one from the airline will see them until they are in the departure gate. If they pull their wheelie case onto the plane and lift it into the locker, no one will know how much it weighs. Dimensions are more important if you want to fit 177 bags into the locker space of an A320 or 213 bags into an A321.
Will these baggage arrangements change the weight calculation for each passenger when the Flight Crew are Calculating the Take Off Weights?
Will these baggage arrangements change the weight calculation for each passenger when the Flight Crew are Calculating the Take Off Weights?
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You will only be able to tell a cabin bag weighs over 10kg when the passenger tries to place it in the overhead locker.
Thats when they ask the CC to put it in the overhead locker for them " because it is too heavy for me to lift ".
My answer to that is " Oh well if its too heavy for you then it must be too heavy for me as well ". Any bag that requires two CC to place in an overhead locker is too heavy and should be offloaded to be placed in the hold.
So CC will be expected to risk an injury putting heavier bags in lockers just so pax can save $10 ? WTF
Thats when they ask the CC to put it in the overhead locker for them " because it is too heavy for me to lift ".
My answer to that is " Oh well if its too heavy for you then it must be too heavy for me as well ". Any bag that requires two CC to place in an overhead locker is too heavy and should be offloaded to be placed in the hold.
So CC will be expected to risk an injury putting heavier bags in lockers just so pax can save $10 ? WTF