NAT JET 717 mishap
The right off part is not accurate, although it has been damaged. The engineers that are GOING TO inspect it will be the first to know, maybe even ahead of the PPRUNERS 
Is it unexpected? New inexperienced pilots, minimal training, inexperienced training Captains, no remedial training, Low morale?
It won't be the last while the swiss cheese holes are lining up!
Is it unexpected? New inexperienced pilots, minimal training, inexperienced training Captains, no remedial training, Low morale?
It won't be the last while the swiss cheese holes are lining up!
Last edited by RENURPP; 9th Feb 2008 at 05:52.
I think they need to make jets at tough as C152's to withstand the punishment of pilots still learning how to fly when they transition on to heavier aircraft straight out of flight school. During Flt school most guys are taught by low timers these days still learning a hell of alot themselves 
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I think they need to make jets at tough as C152's to withstand the punishment of pilots still learning how to fly when they transition on to heavier aircraft straight out of flight school. During Flt school most guys are taught by low timers these days still learning a hell of alot themselves
But then you're probably right... the DC3 was probably even tougher than a 152
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In a nut shell.
Company CEO...ex engineer.
2IC and GM Airline Ops....ex engineer.
Chief Pilot/GMFO....not endorsed on type.
Head of Pilot Training....not endorsed on type.
HOT Cabin Crew....not endorsed on type.
Manager of CC....not endorsed on type.
Management Based in Adelaide.....no 717 ops in Adelaide.
On the line operational support.....poor.
717 operations manual.....bears little or no resemblence to actual aircraft operation.
Management objective 'Future Horizons'.....reduce Pilot wages,apply bond to all training.
Pilot applications withdrawn/interviews declined due to poor renumerance and expanding opportunities elsewhere.
Experience base of new hire Pilots...low.
Some recruits desperately pushed through endoresment/line training in order to fill slots.
Captains appointed as Training Captains with less than a 1000hr of Jet Command time.
Experienced Training/Captains over looked/resigned for/from training positions because they didn't suck up to HOT.
General moral of all employees low as a result of management push for 'Future Horizons'.
Management fall back to 'arse covering mode' as a result of failed 'Future Horizons' and threat of industrial action.
Little or no follow up training for those inexperienced Pilots that were rushed through to fill slots.
Surprise, surprise.......one bent airframe.
Company CEO...ex engineer.
2IC and GM Airline Ops....ex engineer.
Chief Pilot/GMFO....not endorsed on type.
Head of Pilot Training....not endorsed on type.
HOT Cabin Crew....not endorsed on type.
Manager of CC....not endorsed on type.
Management Based in Adelaide.....no 717 ops in Adelaide.
On the line operational support.....poor.
717 operations manual.....bears little or no resemblence to actual aircraft operation.
Management objective 'Future Horizons'.....reduce Pilot wages,apply bond to all training.
Pilot applications withdrawn/interviews declined due to poor renumerance and expanding opportunities elsewhere.
Experience base of new hire Pilots...low.
Some recruits desperately pushed through endoresment/line training in order to fill slots.
Captains appointed as Training Captains with less than a 1000hr of Jet Command time.
Experienced Training/Captains over looked/resigned for/from training positions because they didn't suck up to HOT.
General moral of all employees low as a result of management push for 'Future Horizons'.
Management fall back to 'arse covering mode' as a result of failed 'Future Horizons' and threat of industrial action.
Little or no follow up training for those inexperienced Pilots that were rushed through to fill slots.
Surprise, surprise.......one bent airframe.
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CC - Spot on.
To the others (excuding RENURPP, at least you have a good sense of humour)
Come on, a heavy landing isnt anything to get too worked up about. Hey, I've even been known to do non greasers. Anyways, as long as noone was hurt and as long as it was some bent metal and pride so be it.
I think fellow Lord Flattery, has summed things up perfectly in the NJS camp.
To the others (excuding RENURPP, at least you have a good sense of humour)
Come on, a heavy landing isnt anything to get too worked up about. Hey, I've even been known to do non greasers. Anyways, as long as noone was hurt and as long as it was some bent metal and pride so be it.
I think fellow Lord Flattery, has summed things up perfectly in the NJS camp.
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Come on, a heavy landing isnt anything to get too worked up about.
The only other recent one I can think of was the Adam Air 737, a company no Australian aviation enterprise should ever have to be compared with.
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Captains appointed as Training Captains with less than a 1000hr of Jet Command time.
Whats the problem with that??
He says the right things and hasn't done any hard landings him self, or has he? Maybe one or two.
Why should the HOT have to be current on type?
Why do you need manuals that are up to date?
Whats the matter with you guys, just do as your told and all will be fine RIGHT!!!
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Hot of the press, Eye Witness Video.......Well nah not really
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Lord Flattery
never have I seen a more accurate and informed post on PPRUNE.
You will now be banned for life
In all seriousness, the direction NJS has taken over recent years, this is getting off lightly.
never have I seen a more accurate and informed post on PPRUNE.
You will now be banned for life
In all seriousness, the direction NJS has taken over recent years, this is getting off lightly.
was informed by mate at njs that the pilot in question was actually trained by their most senior pilot on that type, so looks like these things can happen to anyone. but it goes to show that with the experience pool drying up very quickly these things may become a regular occurence.
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Everything else a side at NJS when told who was responsible there was no surprise. I've heard some horror stories recently about guys getting through VB checks, so it's not just NJS. It was just a matter of time with this one, if CASA is fair dimkum some heads might roll here. I feel sorry for the captain involved!