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Old 10th Feb 2008, 21:28
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To be fair guys, the weather around here for the last few days has been seriously monsoon cr@p and this incident is NOT the only heavy landing that has happened, just the most speccy.
Glad all walked away from it.
Lot of second hand cheap 717 spares may be on the market soon???
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Old 10th Feb 2008, 23:24
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the facts will all come out in the ATSB report eventually...
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 00:36
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Just curious

Are there any ex Ipec or Compass pilots flying these?

As I said.. Just curious...

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Old 11th Feb 2008, 00:39
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Surprised there are not a heap of pics here by now.

How badly damaged is it?

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Old 11th Feb 2008, 00:52
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As an aside, but I think an interesting question:

Will this be the big Qs first hull loss
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 01:01
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Cunning........they are far more Cunning than that...."THEY" broke it not us will be the call from Q!

NJS are operating flights for Q, so they have a good chance of distancing themselves. Of course if it hits the TV with a red tail it may well be harder to convince the public. After a few months though the record will still stand and the masses will forget

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Old 11th Feb 2008, 01:01
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You are showing your ignorance there. Qantas has had hull losses before and will probably have hull losses again.

Is NJS part of QF? Doubt it...
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 01:06
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Quite correct Capt........I recall a Connie burnt to the ground off shore somewhere. Read about it in a mag not that long back!

How about Jet write off then?

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Old 11th Feb 2008, 01:09
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No jet write off's but there is no reason to suppose that QF is immune from that. What's that? A Skygod mentioning the unmentionable?!!??!
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Ok, for the slow ones out there;
QF own ( or if you like, lease ) the airframe, NJS operate it for them.
I was asking if technically speaking,this could be Qs first jet hull loss.
They have not lost a hull in the jet age nor for the last 57 years ( but who is counting )

Jabba, quite correct, but as you say, if it quacks like a duck .....
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 01:33
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Hi Guys,

I've scanned al of the news including NT news and no mention of any incidents or accidents. Am i looking in the wrong place? I'm assuming DRW is Darwin even the the ersa code is YPDN

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Old 11th Feb 2008, 02:29
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If I recall correctly I read the B-744 involved in the over run accident at Bangkok years ago should probably have been written off but QF didnt want a recorded jet hull loss on the books so they spent over $100m repairing it.
They and the insurance carrier obviously did a deal.
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 02:56
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I've scanned al of the news including NT news and no mention of any incidents or accidents.
A hard landing is hardly newsworthy.
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 03:11
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A hard landing is hardly newsworthy
Possibly not but i would think a hard enough landing to write off (or nearly) an aircraft, especially one with the QANTAS logo on the back end would be newsworthy, even if QANTAS is not the operator.
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 03:14
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They do it well

The "big Q" has some of the most effective advertising and PR that I have seen. I think they are more influential than CASA, and they spend heaps in advertising. If you buy lots of advertising you can influence the media.
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 03:19
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Cunning,

thats Jaba with one b ...but who's counting

Seriously I have to agree with you.

if it quacks like a duck .....
Its duck hunting season!

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Old 11th Feb 2008, 03:28
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Thumbs down aussie027

The facts about the BKK over-run have been posted on PPRuNe many times but some people choose to ignore them and push their own agenda. The aircraft was insured for US$187m, repair cost US$96m, therefore it is obvious - no deal done with the insurance company.

Can anyone advise the Wx conditions at the time of the B717 heavy landing?

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Old 11th Feb 2008, 03:35
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It's in the ATSB database, although there's little information. It was VH-NXE

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...200800641.aspx

"On final approach the aircraft entered an area of high sink and made a heavy landing. Wrinkling was later found in the aft fuselage. The investigation is continuing."
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 03:44
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Media coverage

Crikey reported it today:

Qantas Boeing 'wrinkled' in hard landing in Darwin

Ben Sandilands writes:

Qantas is in damage control this morning trying to hide a Qantaslink Boeing 717 that was so severely damaged in a hard landing at Darwin last Thursday that it may be a write-off.

No reports, no photos, no survivor interviews, indeed no recognition of any sort has appeared in the media for almost four days. No-one was injured in the "incident" that dared not show its face until an inquiry into it was officially listed on the air safety data base today.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau says it is investigating the incident which happened in a jet configured with 115 seats and flown by National Jet under contract to Qantas.

The air safety investigator says on its website that "On final approach the aircraft entered an area of high sink and made a heavy landing. Wrinkling was later found in the aft fuselage. Damage: Substantial".

Hundreds of jets enter areas of high sink every day worldwide. And with rare exceptions, they don’t "wrinkle" or end up being rebuilt or scrapped.

ATSB investigations like these look clinically at pilot experience and the training and checking procedures of carriers, as well as factors flight crew are required to deal with, such as wind shear or degraded engine performance that might have affected this flight.

If the damage leads to a write-off it will be the first time this has happened to any passenger jet of size in Australia.

There were 11 Boeing 717s in the Qantaslink fleet.
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Old 11th Feb 2008, 04:29
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Let's not beat around the bush. QF 1 at BKK was a write off. End of story. Looks like this 717 might be too. And they came awfully close to losing a 737 landing into a microburst at Brisbane. And another 737 near Church Creek. So they are simply normal....for whicch read fallible......and normal mess-ups happen to all sorts of airlines. Pride does not help in prevention.
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