REX EBA and the AFAP
Have only just looked at this thread, and determined as I read, to express some concern at the attitude of some who post here. However the Dark one has beaten me to it.
Gentlemen it IS your organisation, which will do what you as a democratic majority, ask of it. All they (you) require to make it work is committment and a bit of involvement.
Missing Link, you would do yourself a great big favour if you read and absorbed what has been offered to you in the way of advice from one considerably older and wiser than yourself.
The only thing I would add to the Dark one's post is that if indeed you have been told by your negotiator, that "that is all you could achieve", perhaps he should have said: "that is all you can achieve given your individual reluctance to contribute, and your collective reluctance to accept solidarity."
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Gentlemen it IS your organisation, which will do what you as a democratic majority, ask of it. All they (you) require to make it work is committment and a bit of involvement.
Missing Link, you would do yourself a great big favour if you read and absorbed what has been offered to you in the way of advice from one considerably older and wiser than yourself.
The only thing I would add to the Dark one's post is that if indeed you have been told by your negotiator, that "that is all you could achieve", perhaps he should have said: "that is all you can achieve given your individual reluctance to contribute, and your collective reluctance to accept solidarity."
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wetheryet, I think gennatailia said it correctly if the union started to actually do something constructive they may find they get more support. I agree a private negotiator is the way to go.
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Stubby, think about it. A private negotiator gets paid irrespective of the outcome. Under the AFAP, negotiators are pilots working for the company concerned, with assistance from the union. Pilots understand what pilots want and also have a better understanding of what needs to be achieved.
It begs another question. What do you do when the company refuses to negotiate with your private negotiator? What do you do if the company pays your private negotiator for a particular outcome?
Perhaps the reality in the present time is very few in Aus have actually had to put their own job on the line for better terms and conditions, but expect those conditions to be delivered by somebody else, (the AFAP employees in this case) without support from the people they are attempting to help.
It begs another question. What do you do when the company refuses to negotiate with your private negotiator? What do you do if the company pays your private negotiator for a particular outcome?
Perhaps the reality in the present time is very few in Aus have actually had to put their own job on the line for better terms and conditions, but expect those conditions to be delivered by somebody else, (the AFAP employees in this case) without support from the people they are attempting to help.
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Stubby, this is the problem. People making excuses upon excuses, I have heard it a million times - why pay the union what have they done for me?
The union CANNOT successfully negotiate without united support from US.
Reality is that if we get another second rate EBA, it will be a result of all those sorry individuals who make excuses.
United we CAN achieve an EBA which could make a career with REX a viable alternative.
The union CANNOT successfully negotiate without united support from US.
Reality is that if we get another second rate EBA, it will be a result of all those sorry individuals who make excuses.
United we CAN achieve an EBA which could make a career with REX a viable alternative.
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weatheryet, i hear what your saying and in an ideal world that would be great, however i do believe that to a large degree the pilot reps are more intimidated by the employer, in comparisson to a private negotiator, who could be performance payed and isnt worried about company reprocussions for sitting at the negotiating table. I think the "proof is in the pudding" so far in REX's history the union has been incredibly ineffective (not to put down the hard work of some individuals) but now its time to look at changing tactics, try another approach??
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Valid point RE: pilot reps. I am sure they mean well but they cannot play hard ball because of the dynamics. Perhaps they are largely ineffective under the current setup, and it is that which needs to be improved.
Our union negotiator should do all the talking at the table - why is it that pilots who are not professional negotiators talking in the presence of management?
Perhaps if our union negotiator did the talking and the reps observed on our behalf to ensure our interests are being adressed, and to report back to the pilot group we may get a better result?
Our union negotiator should do all the talking at the table - why is it that pilots who are not professional negotiators talking in the presence of management?
Perhaps if our union negotiator did the talking and the reps observed on our behalf to ensure our interests are being adressed, and to report back to the pilot group we may get a better result?
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