weatheryet, i hear what your saying and in an ideal world that would be great, however i do believe that to a large degree the pilot reps are more intimidated by the employer, in comparisson to a private negotiator, who could be performance payed and isnt worried about company reprocussions for sitting at the negotiating table. I think the "proof is in the pudding" so far in REX's history the union has been incredibly ineffective (not to put down the hard work of some individuals) but now its time to look at changing tactics, try another approach??