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Captians take home?
As a LCC Captain for a European Airline I read with interest the above thread, particularly as I too would one day like to return to Godzone.
Can anyone please give me an accurate reflection of take home pay for 1 month, including flight pay etc. I assume there is no pension.
I am on less money today than I was on 6 years ago, and that is not even allowing for inflation!! Sounds like a world over problem.
SF
Can anyone please give me an accurate reflection of take home pay for 1 month, including flight pay etc. I assume there is no pension.
I am on less money today than I was on 6 years ago, and that is not even allowing for inflation!! Sounds like a world over problem.
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Here's a question
Why is it that in airlines they take people who may be able to run an aircraft and crew well, then for some unknown reason place them into 'management' roles with no proff of their ability or aptitude, no training and/or previous/proven business expertise?! Then they act surprised when they prove to be well out of their depth!
Hiring people to run a multimillion dollar business should not be a matter of "I was mates with ...."
So called 'Management Experience' from a failed airline should cast serious doubt about ones suitability for further management positions .. not so down in NZ it appears. If anyone still believes the incumbents are competent then be glad you are not a shareholder. It sounds like the Board needs to ask some serious questions and fast.
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Hiring people to run a multimillion dollar business should not be a matter of "I was mates with ...."
So called 'Management Experience' from a failed airline should cast serious doubt about ones suitability for further management positions .. not so down in NZ it appears. If anyone still believes the incumbents are competent then be glad you are not a shareholder. It sounds like the Board needs to ask some serious questions and fast.
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Capt Gross $141,000 pa + approx $1000 pm DTA (tend to spend quite a bit of this DTA down route)
Depending on how you work for PB (Rishworth = Self employed, Conair = permanent employee of Conair) your tax may vary slightly.
Take home pay approx $8000-9000 pm.
Capt Gross $141,000 pa + approx $1000 pm DTA (tend to spend quite a bit of this DTA down route)
Depending on how you work for PB (Rishworth = Self employed, Conair = permanent employee of Conair) your tax may vary slightly.
Take home pay approx $8000-9000 pm.
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So called 'Management Experience' from a failed airline should cast serious doubt about ones suitability for further management positions .. not so down in NZ it appears. If anyone still believes the incumbents are competent then be glad you are not a shareholder. It sounds like the Board needs to ask some serious questions and fast.
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The first hint of.....change?
Whilst everything is ticking along nicely no questions get asked - However, when flight safety comes into the equation...standby for a few managerial vacancies.
Tiger-Palm....
Perhaps you could elaborate or is this the crystal ball of hope that you hold whilst crossing the Pacific in the dead of night?
Well put NTE
and WLGhilton thanks for the background info.
This makes decisions and advice for all prospectives a little clearer...does anyone have a rough idea of hours per month duty and flight and is this consistent or does it waiver around the office corridor crawlers. I understand you have a few within your numbers and some of whom were 89 ers that virgin australia wouldn't employ.
Tiger-Palm....
Perhaps you could elaborate or is this the crystal ball of hope that you hold whilst crossing the Pacific in the dead of night?
Well put NTE
and WLGhilton thanks for the background info.This makes decisions and advice for all prospectives a little clearer...does anyone have a rough idea of hours per month duty and flight and is this consistent or does it waiver around the office corridor crawlers. I understand you have a few within your numbers and some of whom were 89 ers that virgin australia wouldn't employ.
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Sad thing is it could be a great Great Job, PB has great crews Tech and Cabin. But they are treated like 4th class citizens paid crap, feed food (well it was once) than you couldnt feed a animal. And that complete Idiot JB cant see why people leave (whats that noise homer simpsom makes). When planes are parked up someone In aussie might take notice or maybe when someone is hurt. NZ CAA should be shot they approved the FMS but choose to do nothing shame on you CAA.
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Like all employees of any profession, people are quick to point the finger at management when things aren't quite going there way. Just like small children or teenagers when they are grounded blame there parents...
Still, perception is reality. Nobody likes Mr Dickson, yet the business continues to deliver record profits. PB is expanding, yet I read here of similar management issues...
All LCC's (JC, PB, VB, J*) are facing the same issues in the current market. LCC's have had there day in the sun and they will need to make changes to succeed.
Play the ball and not the man, and things might just get better.
Still, perception is reality. Nobody likes Mr Dickson, yet the business continues to deliver record profits. PB is expanding, yet I read here of similar management issues...
All LCC's (JC, PB, VB, J*) are facing the same issues in the current market. LCC's have had there day in the sun and they will need to make changes to succeed.
Play the ball and not the man, and things might just get better.
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The culture of an airline is set from the top down, and a healthy culture relies on open, honest and clear communication, mutual respect and many other aspects. These attributes are clearly weak in the PB management, and are flagged as such by the low morale, climbing sickness rates, increasing numbers of pilots seeking and attending interviews, and soaring union membership.
Rescue 1, the ball is owned by the 'management', they have written the rules, and the employees are suffering for it. The management have created a very specific set of circumstances, and they must take responsibility for the current situation they face. To try and avoid responsibity by saying "it is happening to all LCC" or similar spin doctoring is simply not good enough, and quite incorrect.
Having worked for several LCC, I know good leadership when I see it, and at PB I definitely don't see it.
Rescue 1, the ball is owned by the 'management', they have written the rules, and the employees are suffering for it. The management have created a very specific set of circumstances, and they must take responsibility for the current situation they face. To try and avoid responsibity by saying "it is happening to all LCC" or similar spin doctoring is simply not good enough, and quite incorrect.
Having worked for several LCC, I know good leadership when I see it, and at PB I definitely don't see it.
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Wow. You get given food! In Ryanair the pilots don't even get water!! No food,no water, no hot drinks. 11 1/2 hour days with no break. And that from the worlds biggest carrier (in pax numbers) Watch out what's coming you way...
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Rescue none Play the ball and not the man, and things might just get better.
All the Freudian issues aside with this statement, arent you attempting to make comparisons with a major and a LCC?
As for my children they know when they are in the wrong so the patronising tone of that comment deserves to be filed along with the mens ball(s) analogy...sorry you dug in deep there.
All the Freudian issues aside with this statement, arent you attempting to make comparisons with a major and a LCC?
As for my children they know when they are in the wrong so the patronising tone of that comment deserves to be filed along with the mens ball(s) analogy...sorry you dug in deep there.
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yep bring it on well we do close to 11 hours with no break now, food rather eat my own water i think i can buy my own water, oh and to be paid what ryan air get and there rosters and time off cant wait, hope it does come our way. This company thinks we will put up with anything just to live in Christchurch, Including myself there will be approx 20 leave in next 2 months. Cant be bothered fighting easier to leave.
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Dashim, Bit below the belt mate. I dont think its appropriate to identify the crew involved. Do you know the full circumstances of the incident?? I suspect probably not.
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There is some very "mis-informed" reporting going on here.
How much do you really think the Flight Ops management has to say about the business model? I suspect it is very little! There are some good People in there working very hard to make it all work with what has been handed down to them from Brisbane.
Reality is that PB is a contract model for the time being. The ground handling issues are to do with the capabilities of the contract company concerned, not got a lot to do with the Flight Ops management eveyone on here is criticising.
The comparative pay between Jetconnect and PB is also being wrongly reported. In fact the Line Captains pay is very similiar and a Training Captain in PB actually gets paid slightly more. JC's increment for training Capt's is based on their base pay (less Retention bonus and overtime) where as PB's base pay is higher and therefore the increment is more. First Officers in PB have an opportunity to get a command earlier than in JC as the total jet time requirement is lower and the salary is very similiar.
Now there has been a change of GM at JC we should see a contract settled there very soon and a new commitment to resolve the issues it's faced in recent years and that wil directly put pressure on PB to match those conditions. Competition is a good thing.
Knurled Knob. Point taken and previous post withdrwn.
How much do you really think the Flight Ops management has to say about the business model? I suspect it is very little! There are some good People in there working very hard to make it all work with what has been handed down to them from Brisbane.
Reality is that PB is a contract model for the time being. The ground handling issues are to do with the capabilities of the contract company concerned, not got a lot to do with the Flight Ops management eveyone on here is criticising.
The comparative pay between Jetconnect and PB is also being wrongly reported. In fact the Line Captains pay is very similiar and a Training Captain in PB actually gets paid slightly more. JC's increment for training Capt's is based on their base pay (less Retention bonus and overtime) where as PB's base pay is higher and therefore the increment is more. First Officers in PB have an opportunity to get a command earlier than in JC as the total jet time requirement is lower and the salary is very similiar.
Now there has been a change of GM at JC we should see a contract settled there very soon and a new commitment to resolve the issues it's faced in recent years and that wil directly put pressure on PB to match those conditions. Competition is a good thing.
Knurled Knob. Point taken and previous post withdrwn.
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Dont know where you get those figures from? why are people leaving PB as a check captain to join VB as a FO and its not because they want to return to OZ most love NZ and wanted to stay. I agree management may be working hard just a shame they dont work smart.
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time4change.... the comparisons are for the New Zealand companies, not against the Australian Parent company.
All the Pilots I have known to have left to go to VB are Aussie guys going to better money and conditions and to return home. They are not NZ pilots who choose to live in NZ. Why wouldn't they go?
All the Pilots I have known to have left to go to VB are Aussie guys going to better money and conditions and to return home. They are not NZ pilots who choose to live in NZ. Why wouldn't they go?
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Dash we operate 180 seats air nz /qantas about 130 i guess. We should be paid more thats an industry standard. The fact of the matter is we can argue till the cows come home but the way things are PB is going to be parking Aircraft very soon as 20 I know of have interviews and will be leaving they can work in CHC paid in aussie $$ no back of the clock flying oh and 9% super oh and then there is the carrot of the 787. I wish PB well has great crew good product but conditions are crap. When does a Qantas pilot land at 2am then get put on call 12pm the same day or given a 5 sector domestic duty with no break. The jobs are very different we cannot compair ourselves to Air NZ and Qantas the are totally different operations.
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Oh and it not just the money, heard a story last week were a FO was about to leave home for a Domestic duty and told now your on a three day trip, we have no rights no roster stability, carrying too many pax to the islands often landing at MAX LDG weight so min fuel into the islands at night with few options if we decide to carry extra gas its drop the gear early to get below landing weight. Is that a good operation?
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time4change....... I agree with you on the back of the clock flying. PB's flying is different to VB, AirNZ and QF domestic and back of the clock flying is very demanding and does need to be addressed with Rostering practices.
However, if you think Roster stability is worse in PB then think again. A pilot in JC has frequent changes to their Roster....far more than in PB. If you think PB is unique in rostering 5 sectors then look across at VB, AirNZ and Jetconnect again.... it's common to be Rostered between 4 to 6 sectors domestic flying. J* is no different.
To argue that PB flies 180 seats goes back to the old days of speed weight formular and isn't particularly valid. Look at QF mainline, they fly 734's and 738's sometimes on the same day under the same contract. Many operaters work on Fleet pay whereby the number of aircraft seats is simply not in the equation. At the end of the day, a 737 is a 737.
PB was and still could be one of the better jobs in NZ. Surely the key to keeping pilots there is in creating a great working environment and lifestyle. Instead of leaving, why not speak out and effect change!
D
However, if you think Roster stability is worse in PB then think again. A pilot in JC has frequent changes to their Roster....far more than in PB. If you think PB is unique in rostering 5 sectors then look across at VB, AirNZ and Jetconnect again.... it's common to be Rostered between 4 to 6 sectors domestic flying. J* is no different.
To argue that PB flies 180 seats goes back to the old days of speed weight formular and isn't particularly valid. Look at QF mainline, they fly 734's and 738's sometimes on the same day under the same contract. Many operaters work on Fleet pay whereby the number of aircraft seats is simply not in the equation. At the end of the day, a 737 is a 737.
PB was and still could be one of the better jobs in NZ. Surely the key to keeping pilots there is in creating a great working environment and lifestyle. Instead of leaving, why not speak out and effect change!
D