Election Aviation Policies
The trouble is so many young people voting today do not remember what it was like the last time Labor were in power.
One word - Workchoices.
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I see you're taking it just as well as all the talking head Libs on various TV shows! All in denial.
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Hello!!!!! Of course they don't, because it's been so long since it happened! 
You refer to the Qld Premier saying:
The Coalition's Work Choices policy appears to have been seen by many electors as a neo-conservative agenda that favoured business over employees. Particularly so with young people with respect to unfair dismissal laws only applying to larger businesses, and workers' perceived lack of bargaining power in workplace agreements.
In effect what Ms Bligh appears to be saying is that it's hard to make a comeback [i.e., for the Coalition] when you haven't been anywhere in the electorate's view, and aren't going anywhere in any case!
But as Wynsock rightly says:
Correct! In other words, there's nothing we can do about the Coalition's loss now, so let's all just get on with it under Labor!
PS. For the record, even after the election result I still remain undecided as to which of the 'contestants' policies was going to do more for aviation in Australia.
The trouble is so many young people voting today do not remember what it was like the last time Labor were in power.
You refer to the Qld Premier saying:
I have to say it's been a long time since I have seen particularly young voters respond to Labor that way.
In effect what Ms Bligh appears to be saying is that it's hard to make a comeback [i.e., for the Coalition] when you haven't been anywhere in the electorate's view, and aren't going anywhere in any case!
But as Wynsock rightly says:
So we have had a change of government. Big deal. The sky won't fall in. Lets focus on the issues.
PS. For the record, even after the election result I still remain undecided as to which of the 'contestants' policies was going to do more for aviation in Australia.
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The quote I posted last night was from the Labor Premier of Queensland.
It was my thought all during the campaign that this may happen, so many people voting now are too young, or maybe were not in Australia, when Labor was last in power and thus do not know what it was like.
Personally, as I am now retired and my Wife and I have investments, Labor will be good for us with interest rates soaring back to where they got them to last time, however I voted Liberal for the sake of our Children and Grandchildren.
It was my thought all during the campaign that this may happen, so many people voting now are too young, or maybe were not in Australia, when Labor was last in power and thus do not know what it was like.
Personally, as I am now retired and my Wife and I have investments, Labor will be good for us with interest rates soaring back to where they got them to last time, however I voted Liberal for the sake of our Children and Grandchildren.
however I voted Liberal for the sake of our Children and Grandchildren
with interest rates soaring back to where they got them to last time,
now, where's that AWA?
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what, when Howard was treasurer?
As I said before, it is the younger people that put Labor back in that (sadly) will suffer the most.
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On reading through Labor’s Aviation policy again, I am drawn to the conclusion that there is not much substance in it. It basically can be summed up with their statement
How they plan to do this is unclear, as little in the way of specifics are mentioned.
As far as Airservices is concerned, there seems to be little again other than requiring it to
. There is however a certain focus on requiring Airservices to
. Will this mean further staff cuts in order to see that it
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It is clear that certain aspects of the NAS will be dismantled
. There is no mention at all of building or updating our airspace system.
The devastation which has occurred at our secondary airports since privatisation gets some mention, but no solutions are offered other than to say that
in relation to the Airport owners and their tenants.
Not exactly a dynamic plan for the future of aviation.
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Labor will bring the industry together with a cohesive vision for the future
As far as Airservices is concerned, there seems to be little again other than requiring it to
work with airlines and airports
deliver a healthy return to the Australian Government
improves the efficiency of its service delivery while improving safety outcomes
It is clear that certain aspects of the NAS will be dismantled
that are not appropriate for Australia
The devastation which has occurred at our secondary airports since privatisation gets some mention, but no solutions are offered other than to say that
Both sides need to work together to prepare for the future
Not exactly a dynamic plan for the future of aviation.
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Well aviation is just not a major issue with both parties and what that essentially means is the Deptments will advise the Govt and do it's bidding and life basically rumbells on. But don't knock it. Any time there is a major review by any government it invariably leads to cutbacks, costsavings and charges to to end user.
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Labors Policy doesn't really show any priority for the future of aviation in Australia. Things such as pilot training and the initiatives needed to attempt to lower the Pilot shortage and many other shortages that are occurring in the industry at the moment that could potentially cripple it in this country. Maybe Mr Rudd needs to be further educated about the current state of the industry in this country, once he is shown some figures...He's a smart guy he can figure it out for himself.
Maybe I'll fire off an email in his general direction, with the naive hope of receiving a reply with substance.
Jeps
Maybe I'll fire off an email in his general direction, with the naive hope of receiving a reply with substance.
Jeps
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Dr O, you and others of a similar political mindset on this forum, appear to be unhappy, frustrated and upset as a result of the federal election.
Schadenfreude is such a wonderful feeling.
Schadenfreude is such a wonderful feeling.
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Oakenfold, people will treat you a lot more seriously when you can string a cogent argument together without the string of obscenities. All it shows is a seriously deficient vocabulary and a total lack of awareness of how to get your point across.
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Someone posted and I can not verify its truth, that recent interest rate rises were most likely caused by high borrowings by state governments, and with a record of doing this......one has to wonder
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I remember the geography question .....What is the Capital of Victoria?? No not Melbourne, its a dollar fifty!!!
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.I remember the geography question .....What is the Capital of Victoria?? No not Melbourne, its a dollar fifty!!!
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One good thing for aviation?
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Can someone name ONE good thing the the "previous" (Libs) government have done. Selling airports, user fees, increased regulation etc.
Now, don't respond with "the booming economy". Also we are only talking about the Libs, not what Labor might or might not be going to do.
11 years ago.
How much for a medical?
How much for landing fees?
Airspace fees?
Flightservice/watch?
How much for an ASIC?
Did we have to go thru security?
How many Towers?
Taxes for pax?
Were we more or less of a target for terrorists?
How much for a medical?
How much for landing fees?
Airspace fees?
Flightservice/watch?
How much for an ASIC?
Did we have to go thru security?
How many Towers?
Taxes for pax?
Were we more or less of a target for terrorists?
Now, don't respond with "the booming economy". Also we are only talking about the Libs, not what Labor might or might not be going to do.
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To be honest, I can’t think of anything good the Coalition have done for aviation. But don’t be clapping too loudly; Labor has a pretty poor record in this area too – have you forgotten Charlie Jones? And based on the current Labor Aviation Policy, perhaps you can also list all the good things you expect from Labor in the next 3 years. Then, at the end of their term, we will make a little tally and see who fairs best!
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After 40 years in the industry of course I am sceptical of any new government.History has shown each one gives us a worse run than the last.
However a few years ago , during the deregulation period, I spent a bit of time in Canberra representing airline staff interests. I found very little understanding or interest amongst the Lib/Nats outside of their own special interests ie can farmers export more cheaply. Certainly they had little working knowledge of our of our day to day problems which eventually caused them some problems when they didn't listen to our opinions on airspace etc.
I did spend a bit of time with Labor and discovered that they actually knew a lot and what was more, were interested to learn. Lindsay Tanner is ex ASU and has represented airline staff and has a wide knowledge of the subject. I also spent a day with Martin Ferguson and found his knowledge of aviation almost encyclopedic.
We can only judge Labor on what they produce, but I for one am hopefull that at least they are willing to listen and learn rather than just inflict us with with the poorly researched and badly implemented policies that we have experienced over the last few years.
However a few years ago , during the deregulation period, I spent a bit of time in Canberra representing airline staff interests. I found very little understanding or interest amongst the Lib/Nats outside of their own special interests ie can farmers export more cheaply. Certainly they had little working knowledge of our of our day to day problems which eventually caused them some problems when they didn't listen to our opinions on airspace etc.
I did spend a bit of time with Labor and discovered that they actually knew a lot and what was more, were interested to learn. Lindsay Tanner is ex ASU and has represented airline staff and has a wide knowledge of the subject. I also spent a day with Martin Ferguson and found his knowledge of aviation almost encyclopedic.
We can only judge Labor on what they produce, but I for one am hopefull that at least they are willing to listen and learn rather than just inflict us with with the poorly researched and badly implemented policies that we have experienced over the last few years.