Rex suspends maryborough services too
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I predict your next move will be a bleating, plea to the government
about allowing a pilot migration program.
How can you stop the poaching otherwise!
The cadets will come,but too late.
I predict your next move will be a bleating, plea to the government
about allowing a pilot migration program.
How can you stop the poaching otherwise!
The cadets will come,but too late.
Go Geoff!!!
Just think Geoff..... In just 32 weeks, maybe less for a really good student, you could be a pilot too. You could get everyone at management to do it and your problem would be solved!!!!!!
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Harden up and dry your eyes
Gotta love the emotional blackmail:
Those nasty Pilots.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Treat people properly and they will not only stay but bend over backwards for you.
Those nasty Airlines.
Do you think your competitors are running a charity my friend? Seriously, you think this is bad? Just wait till those VB EJets are belting around the countryside at 73 speeds.
The game is won by retaining staff not hiring and training. Make no mistake.
each time a pilot calls in sick
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Treat people properly and they will not only stay but bend over backwards for you.
“We call on the other major airlines in Australia to train their own pilots instead of simply poaching
massively from the regional airlines and the pilot training schools.
massively from the regional airlines and the pilot training schools.
Do you think your competitors are running a charity my friend? Seriously, you think this is bad? Just wait till those VB EJets are belting around the countryside at 73 speeds.
The game is won by retaining staff not hiring and training. Make no mistake.
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This is merely the tip of the iceburg!
The majors are only now starting to ramp up there recruitment, this will be ongoing for some years to come.
So, ya think REX has problems now. What this space.
The majors are only now starting to ramp up there recruitment, this will be ongoing for some years to come.
So, ya think REX has problems now. What this space.
This morning,
2 Melbourne based REX Captains accepted by DJ. Highly experienced Check and Trainers in their 50's!!!!
Virgin can obviously see the value of these people.
REX management, you have got to be insane!!!!!
2 Melbourne based REX Captains accepted by DJ. Highly experienced Check and Trainers in their 50's!!!!
Virgin can obviously see the value of these people.
REX management, you have got to be insane!!!!!
KRUSTY 34, never missing an opportunity to denigrate REX:
Only a total fool would think REX didn't value these people. In fact, it is an absolute certainty that REX would have valued these individuals more highly than VB probably ever will.
How much they are paid is not an indication of how much they are valued.
There is no way the management can be insane when the financial performance of REX has been as strong as it has.
REX just cannot match the T&Cs offered by operators such as VB. This is the reality, KRUSTY 34, and you know it, but for some reason you would rather pretend otherwise so that you can continue to hammer your own company.
Mr. Hat said:
Ok, so just what is "treat people properly"? I think you probably mean "don't work them too hard". This is aviation, Mr Hat, and to make those razor thin profits that aviation is so well known for you must work your staff and your aircraft hard.
Virgin can obviously see the value of these people.
How much they are paid is not an indication of how much they are valued.
REX management, you have got to be insane!!!!!
REX just cannot match the T&Cs offered by operators such as VB. This is the reality, KRUSTY 34, and you know it, but for some reason you would rather pretend otherwise so that you can continue to hammer your own company.
Mr. Hat said:
Treat people properly and they will not only stay but bend over backwards for you.
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"We call on the other major airlines in Australia to train their own pilots instead of simply poaching massively from the regional airlines and the pilot training schools," Mr Breust said.
AAP
lol this is preety funny. i dont know how major airlines steal pilots, id love it if they kidnaped me and gave me a job. by sayin that. it just shows that rex obviously are not treating their pilots very well, either in pay or watsoever conditions.
wow thats some preety strong words to say from rex.
dont think i will be applying for their cadetship.
AAP
lol this is preety funny. i dont know how major airlines steal pilots, id love it if they kidnaped me and gave me a job. by sayin that. it just shows that rex obviously are not treating their pilots very well, either in pay or watsoever conditions.
wow thats some preety strong words to say from rex.
dont think i will be applying for their cadetship.
instead of simply poaching massively from the regional airlines and the pilot training schools
Congrats to all of those who have moved on from the sinking ship and good luck to all of those looking to get out soon. It can't be a fun place to work right now.
Aircraft,
You know, for someone who has never worked for REX, (or do you????), your comments are insulting to say the least.
Rex was born out of the ashes of the Ansett regionals, Kendell and Hazelton. You were in school at the time. I was there before, during and after the collapse. Like my other colleges who have actually been there, I remember all too well the dark times.
I saw with pride the growth of REX, from shaky beginnings to become the premier regional airline in Australia. I have stated previously that the job done by the owners was absolutely marvelous. They retired debt, they rationalised ports, grew the business, and created economies of scales that other Regionals could only dream about. This led to more people travelling on regional services than ever before. The fares are now effectively half of what they were a decade ago. Profits are at record levels, and the share price has nearly trippled since the initial listing!
The boss employed the basic principals listed above, and stayed the rational economic course. Through all of this however, the plentiful supply of skilled labour was never an issue. That situation has now done a complete 180 degree turn. The alarm bells started ringing in earnest at the beginning of this year. The warning signs were there for some time before that. It appears that the action required to deal with this situation is not part of those principals.
I have never denegrated REX. I have said in previous posts that I beleieve it to be (was) one of the best jobs in Aus Aviation. I do however, hold REX management, and most other air operators responsible for this crisis. I sit back in total amazment and watch all the hard work of the previous years now in serious jeapody because management have not embarked on the only course of action that would have mitigated this situation.
When the Dam started to leak, management stood at the bottom and simply did nothing. When the trickle became a stream, they moved to put more water in?? Now that tricke is set to become a flood. What are they doing? Hoping for rain in about 12 months time!
No matter how you look at it....Insane!!!!!
You know, for someone who has never worked for REX, (or do you????), your comments are insulting to say the least.
Rex was born out of the ashes of the Ansett regionals, Kendell and Hazelton. You were in school at the time. I was there before, during and after the collapse. Like my other colleges who have actually been there, I remember all too well the dark times.
I saw with pride the growth of REX, from shaky beginnings to become the premier regional airline in Australia. I have stated previously that the job done by the owners was absolutely marvelous. They retired debt, they rationalised ports, grew the business, and created economies of scales that other Regionals could only dream about. This led to more people travelling on regional services than ever before. The fares are now effectively half of what they were a decade ago. Profits are at record levels, and the share price has nearly trippled since the initial listing!
The boss employed the basic principals listed above, and stayed the rational economic course. Through all of this however, the plentiful supply of skilled labour was never an issue. That situation has now done a complete 180 degree turn. The alarm bells started ringing in earnest at the beginning of this year. The warning signs were there for some time before that. It appears that the action required to deal with this situation is not part of those principals.
I have never denegrated REX. I have said in previous posts that I beleieve it to be (was) one of the best jobs in Aus Aviation. I do however, hold REX management, and most other air operators responsible for this crisis. I sit back in total amazment and watch all the hard work of the previous years now in serious jeapody because management have not embarked on the only course of action that would have mitigated this situation.
When the Dam started to leak, management stood at the bottom and simply did nothing. When the trickle became a stream, they moved to put more water in?? Now that tricke is set to become a flood. What are they doing? Hoping for rain in about 12 months time!
No matter how you look at it....Insane!!!!!
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Pass The Dictionary
Aircraft said:
How much they are paid is not an indication of how much they are valued.
How much they are paid is not an indication of how much they are valued.
val·ue (v
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)n.1. An amount, as of goods, services, or money, considered to be a fair and suitable equivalent for something else; a fair price or return.
2. Monetary or material worth.
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Aircraft..... Putting aside the actual definition of "VALUE" as given to us by semperfly, how would YOU define value ? and how much a company VALUES its employees ?
go... I am interested in YOUR definition of value.
go... I am interested in YOUR definition of value.
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Well my friends I think the end in near............
VB took their E-Jet into Albury on the weekend and will be travelling to many more of Rexs' high yeilding country ports in the near future..
QF will counter VB by placing a Q400 to compete againt the E-Jet, so where does this leave Rex.......dead in the water!!!!!
A very sad day indeed for many of my mates that still work there.......
The amount of recruiting that will take place next year will be unheard of........JQ alone want over 200 pilots.......So if they think they are having a pilot crisis now, wait until then.....
By the way...who is going to train the cadets, last I heard flying schools were screaming for instructors, so if Bruesty thinks his cadets will be ready in anything less than 18 months he is even dumber than he looks....
I'm glad I sold my shares when I did, and I think there will be a lot of people sell them while they are over inflated...
VB took their E-Jet into Albury on the weekend and will be travelling to many more of Rexs' high yeilding country ports in the near future..
QF will counter VB by placing a Q400 to compete againt the E-Jet, so where does this leave Rex.......dead in the water!!!!!
A very sad day indeed for many of my mates that still work there.......
The amount of recruiting that will take place next year will be unheard of........JQ alone want over 200 pilots.......So if they think they are having a pilot crisis now, wait until then.....
By the way...who is going to train the cadets, last I heard flying schools were screaming for instructors, so if Bruesty thinks his cadets will be ready in anything less than 18 months he is even dumber than he looks....
I'm glad I sold my shares when I did, and I think there will be a lot of people sell them while they are over inflated...
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Rex mgt needs to wake up.
I too have been increasingly frustrated by this situation. I used to think Rex would have been one of the best employers in Aus and for many years had my sights set on working for them. Whether you are for them or not, you cannot escape the fact that this situation is being very badly handled by mgt and whatever way you spin it, Rex are looking to employ the lowest common fix rather than taking the lead. Pilots will leave if they can get better pay and conditions, to say this is a suprise, is nonsense and quite niave. Flying for a living can be great but after 6 months or so, it becomes a job like any other and your priorities will then become on whether you can afford to eat and pay your rent/mortgage at your current position. Like any job, if you can do better for yourself, you will.
In a previous post someone mentioned how the airline had begun from humble beginnings to show record profits and become one of the premier regional airlines in Aus. It is extremely sad then that dollar hungry mgt will not use these profits to retain its staff and level of service, but pocket the money instead and cry poor to the govt. To say they are not trying persuade the govt to review the immigration situation is again closing your eyes from the truth. I know many, many pilots here and overseas (aussies) whom Rex hasnt even written back to, why? If there is such a shortage, surely they would be keen to make contact? It might be because those pilots simply cant live on 40k/55k/year. The sad thing here is that Rex mgt are literally standing by (what their motivation is I can only guess) while all previous hard work and effort expended to make the airline so noteable, is unravelled and in the end will basically count for nothing.
As someone who has spent the last few years wanting to work for Rex, I am now dissapointed that I no longer do. A few of my friends were captains there on the Sabbs and they have since left for the EXACT reason that TandC's where abismal.
Its still not too late for Rex to turn this around and it would be amazing if they did. Time though, is running out.
In a previous post someone mentioned how the airline had begun from humble beginnings to show record profits and become one of the premier regional airlines in Aus. It is extremely sad then that dollar hungry mgt will not use these profits to retain its staff and level of service, but pocket the money instead and cry poor to the govt. To say they are not trying persuade the govt to review the immigration situation is again closing your eyes from the truth. I know many, many pilots here and overseas (aussies) whom Rex hasnt even written back to, why? If there is such a shortage, surely they would be keen to make contact? It might be because those pilots simply cant live on 40k/55k/year. The sad thing here is that Rex mgt are literally standing by (what their motivation is I can only guess) while all previous hard work and effort expended to make the airline so noteable, is unravelled and in the end will basically count for nothing.
As someone who has spent the last few years wanting to work for Rex, I am now dissapointed that I no longer do. A few of my friends were captains there on the Sabbs and they have since left for the EXACT reason that TandC's where abismal.
Its still not too late for Rex to turn this around and it would be amazing if they did. Time though, is running out.
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Aircraft its time you to get off your high horse and wake up to yourself. Normally I'm quite happy to listen to a differing view to mine but when you start carrying on like you're giving a lecture in "Hard Work 101" my willingness to listen fades.
Assuming that those with opinions different to yours don't know whats required to turn a profit in this industry is arrogance of the highest level.
Being the hard work expert, you'd know that people actually like working hard but they also like to keep pace with the times. I.e. people like to be rewarded for their efforts.
Your argument holds no water whatsoever as there are companies in this country that don't have the massive turn over that rex have and really don't pay that much more. And then there are those that have an even bigger percentage of turnover but don't carry on like spoilt little brats to the media when an airline takes their pilots.
I happen to know quite a few people that work for rex and let me tell you they're as good as it gets when it comes to hard work.
Guess what? If people and aircraft are working hard and your profits are razor thin in the biggest economic boom this country has ever known then somethings a miss. Too much time pointing the finger at everyone else me thinks.
Assuming that those with opinions different to yours don't know whats required to turn a profit in this industry is arrogance of the highest level.
Being the hard work expert, you'd know that people actually like working hard but they also like to keep pace with the times. I.e. people like to be rewarded for their efforts.
Your argument holds no water whatsoever as there are companies in this country that don't have the massive turn over that rex have and really don't pay that much more. And then there are those that have an even bigger percentage of turnover but don't carry on like spoilt little brats to the media when an airline takes their pilots.
I happen to know quite a few people that work for rex and let me tell you they're as good as it gets when it comes to hard work.
This is aviation, Mr Hat, and to make those razor thin profits that aviation is so well known for you must work your staff and your aircraft hard.
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Razor Thin
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Ok, so just what is "treat people properly"? I think you probably mean "don't work them too hard". This is aviation, Mr Hat, and to make those razor thin profits that aviation is so well known for you must work your staff and your aircraft hard.
Ok, so just what is "treat people properly"? I think you probably mean "don't work them too hard". This is aviation, Mr Hat, and to make those razor thin profits that aviation is so well known for you must work your staff and your aircraft hard.
"August 29, 2007 08:50am
DISCOUNT regional airline Regional Express Holdings expects a ten per cent increase in earnings this year after posting a 46.8 per cent jump in full-year net profit after tax (NPAT) for 2006/07.
Rex, which includes its fright and charter business as well as Rex Investment Holding, said group NAPT was $23.1 million in the year just ended, while revenue increased by 29 per cent to $225 million."
And oh by the way that "fright" bit isn't a typo, that is what the article actually says.
http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...rom=public_rss
apache and SemperFly,
If you want to understand my definition of "value", just think of a loved one, for example. Ask yourself how much you value them; then ask yourself how much you pay them.
Mr. Hat,
You didn't answer my question re what is required to "treat people properly". My question is genuine, as all I have been able to garner from these REX threads is that:
1. The pilots are made to work hard, and
2. The crews sometimes have to walk a long distance (at YSSY?) (due no crew bus).
I would like to know how the "improper treatment" goes beyond that expected of an aviation company that is struggling with staff shortages.
43Inches,
There will be a correction or two. There has to be. Don't know exactly when, but there will be. Those corrections could be in the form of operators going bust, economic downturn or a terrorism/SARS like event.
If you want to understand my definition of "value", just think of a loved one, for example. Ask yourself how much you value them; then ask yourself how much you pay them.
Mr. Hat,
You didn't answer my question re what is required to "treat people properly". My question is genuine, as all I have been able to garner from these REX threads is that:
1. The pilots are made to work hard, and
2. The crews sometimes have to walk a long distance (at YSSY?) (due no crew bus).
I would like to know how the "improper treatment" goes beyond that expected of an aviation company that is struggling with staff shortages.
43Inches,
There will be a correction or two. There has to be. Don't know exactly when, but there will be. Those corrections could be in the form of operators going bust, economic downturn or a terrorism/SARS like event.
SemperFly,
Of course airlines can make spectacular profits on occasion, but if you take a longer term view and average the profits out over those longer terms, you will indeed find that the profits tend to be "razor thin".
And this is why you have never seen, and will never see, airlines giving pay rises on the basis of a few profitable years.
Would you like me to elaborate on my assertion re the razor thin profits? I have a few favourite passages from the excellent book "Qantas Flightpaths" that I often quote on PPrune to support this assertion.
Of course airlines can make spectacular profits on occasion, but if you take a longer term view and average the profits out over those longer terms, you will indeed find that the profits tend to be "razor thin".
And this is why you have never seen, and will never see, airlines giving pay rises on the basis of a few profitable years.
Would you like me to elaborate on my assertion re the razor thin profits? I have a few favourite passages from the excellent book "Qantas Flightpaths" that I often quote on PPrune to support this assertion.
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Gidday aircraft me' ol' sparing partner!
3 more REX captains off to greener pastures. 2 more from Melb and another Check and Trainer from Adelaide! The stream has turned into a flood. It is a tragedy unfolding before our eyes.
Your psydo-economic-rational, B.S. is now completely academic.
My original solution for saving this situation, is now probably equally academic.
The panic has set in, and it is possible that no amount of money will stop the exodus!
I remain hopefull that the company can survive, but I am not a superstitious man, and I am afraid that it now may take a miracle!
3 more REX captains off to greener pastures. 2 more from Melb and another Check and Trainer from Adelaide! The stream has turned into a flood. It is a tragedy unfolding before our eyes.
Your psydo-economic-rational, B.S. is now completely academic.
My original solution for saving this situation, is now probably equally academic.
The panic has set in, and it is possible that no amount of money will stop the exodus!
I remain hopefull that the company can survive, but I am not a superstitious man, and I am afraid that it now may take a miracle!