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Whilst I don't doubt some disgruntled pilots will, on occasion, allow their flight to be a little "more expensive", the fact that this practice is in contravention of the ethics of commercial pilots means that it probably occurs less frequently than thought. Would a doctor allow his patient to die because he is cranky that he didn't get a pay rise?
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It doesn't involve "ethics" to practise an instrument approach instead of a visual one, if available. Do that on every sector and let the beancounters watch the results. After all, pilots are required to maintain recency!
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It doesn't involve "ethics" to practise an instrument approach instead of a visual one, if available. Do that on every sector and let the beancounters watch the results. After all, pilots are required to maintain recency!
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Would a doctor allow his patient to die because he is cranky that he didn't get a pay rise?
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The managers are people too, so they know all about what it is to be a person and how satisfying it can be to provide the little "human touches"
aircraft, the reality is that unless staff T&C's at Rex are brought into the 21st century, then in about 12-24 months time Rex will be half it's former size, haemorrhaging cash and on the verge of either collapse or being bought out by the likes of Temasek. Australian regional aviation infrastructure in the hands of the Singaporeans? I suppose you'd argue that's a good thing becasue it's free market in action!
Another thing's for sure - they can swindle 100 young, inexperienced blokes into the "academy", or whatever it's being called, but if 100 experienced blokes simultaneously quit, then in about 2 years time there will be a highly inexperienced workforce driving these fast turboprops around. Then God help us on a dark and stormy night when it's all going to s#!t. Because that's going to be only thing left to save the day.
But that's nowhere to be seen in your textbook, is it, aircraft?
Launch_code_Harry, wrongwayaround and Ron & Edna Johns,
You seem to have a problem with this statement of mine:
Can each one of you come out and say that my statement is not true. Can you phrase the statement something like:
I, ..., hereby state that your statement about managers is not true.
Casper said:
Has it occurred to you that doing this sort of thing is, in effect, stealing from the company? If it hasn't, I suggest you think about it for a while - ask yourself how doing this is different from a retailer worker, for example, walking past the cash register, noticing the drawer open and taking $100 out and pocketing it.
If the idea of stealing doesn't come so easily, then maybe try extortion.
You seem to have a problem with this statement of mine:
The managers are people too, so they know all about what it is to be a person and how satisfying it can be to provide the little "human touches"
I, ..., hereby state that your statement about managers is not true.
Casper said:
It doesn't involve "ethics" to practise an instrument approach instead of a visual one, if available. Do that on every sector and let the beancounters watch the results.
If the idea of stealing doesn't come so easily, then maybe try extortion.
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Stealing??? - you are so naive.
It took me 7 years, 3,000TT and a Regional Airline to find a company that actually pays superannuation.
But that's illegal I hear you say. So is upskirting girls with a camera but people still do it.
Ring the tax dept. - yeah right, good luck.
I wonder what the percentage is of GA companies in this country that pay super. 30, 40, 50%? It will be on ya payslip every fortnight but never turns up in ya account.
But doing an ILS in visual conditions. That's stealing. I don't know how I would sleep at night?
It took me 7 years, 3,000TT and a Regional Airline to find a company that actually pays superannuation.
But that's illegal I hear you say. So is upskirting girls with a camera but people still do it.
Ring the tax dept. - yeah right, good luck.
I wonder what the percentage is of GA companies in this country that pay super. 30, 40, 50%? It will be on ya payslip every fortnight but never turns up in ya account.
But doing an ILS in visual conditions. That's stealing. I don't know how I would sleep at night?
Gidday Aircraft,
I thought you made some well argued points, certainly your posts are well wrtten for a stated 23 year old.
However, the statement
in the context given, regarding opting for a conservative approach is where I must assume you have no operations experience whatsoever.
None, zero, a duck.
It's difficult to debate ethics and morality when you use throw away lines yourself, its brings all sorts of words into the mix. Words like hypocrisy amongst others.
I thought you made some well argued points, certainly your posts are well wrtten for a stated 23 year old.
However, the statement
If the idea of stealing doesn't come so easily, then maybe try extortion.
None, zero, a duck.
It's difficult to debate ethics and morality when you use throw away lines yourself, its brings all sorts of words into the mix. Words like hypocrisy amongst others.
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Aircraft,
It's becoming very apparent that you have very little idea of what you are talking about. In a perfect world there would be a place for your submissions but the world is not perfect, and as such your arguments hold very little water.
Analogy's like the one above not only highlight your lack of industry knowledge, but scream of your lack of commercial experience altogether.
There are some very learned posters on this thread. You'd do well to listen a little more closely and perhaps reserve your position until you have gained some more insight into how aviation actually works. It's a unique industry. Not one that can be learned from a text book.
Regards
D
It's becoming very apparent that you have very little idea of what you are talking about. In a perfect world there would be a place for your submissions but the world is not perfect, and as such your arguments hold very little water.
Has it occurred to you that doing this sort of thing is, in effect, stealing from the company? If it hasn't, I suggest you think about it for a while - ask yourself how doing this is different from a retailer worker, for example, walking past the cash register, noticing the drawer open and taking $100 out and pocketing it.
There are some very learned posters on this thread. You'd do well to listen a little more closely and perhaps reserve your position until you have gained some more insight into how aviation actually works. It's a unique industry. Not one that can be learned from a text book.
Regards
D
But doing an ILS in visual conditions. That's stealing. I don't know how I would sleep at night?
I am referring purely to the illegitimate purposes that were alluded to by Casper at post #90.
Perhaps I do need to spell that out.
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I, ..., hereby state that your statement about managers is not true.
I am however, willing to be publicly pilloried by others on this forum who believe your assertion to be true.
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a certain, relatively small, amount of administration is required to achieve this gesture and administration does not come free
I suppose the simple solution, and legal, of WORK TO RULE is just too ridiculous to contemplate? Unfortunately, the few REX pilots I know, are too conscientious to deliberately delay a flight to make a point. They are all instilled with a deep sense of professionalism, where "selling time, safely" is the ethos. They also realise that management will ALWAYS shift the lame back to them in the end, and the fact that THEY are the ones who have to deal with the public face to face makes it all the harder. in the end, the FACE of aviation - the pilot- will ALWAYS be the bad guy when management refuse to accept that times have changed, and that htye need to change as well.
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enough
Can you stop with the slanging match with Aircraft. He is just making his point and you guys are making your point. Fair enough points made. You are never going to agree with him and he is never going to agree with you.
reverting to insults about mental health are just not funny
Maybe the Mods should start limiting the threads with personal attacks on them.
I think both sides are making good points
Bizz
reverting to insults about mental health are just not funny
Maybe the Mods should start limiting the threads with personal attacks on them.
I think both sides are making good points
Bizz
Ron & Edna Johns said:
Even if REX had upped their salaries by $20K six months ago, they would still be in the same position they are today (regarding pilot shortages).
... the reality is that unless staff T&C's at Rex are brought into the 21st century ...
Where's your proof of that "Aircraft"?
A $20K salary rise would have been nowhere near enough to cause the REX pilots to turn down the offers from the major airlines.
It may almost have caused them to think twice about leaving, but that is all that increase would have achieved.
And a $20K increase, by the way, is way beyond what REX can afford. I hope this brings some perspective to this issue.
