Virgin Blue To Operate Embraer's On Albury-Sydney Route.
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I think Kiwiconehead provided the answer to your dilemma of the single carrier on the ABX-MEL route in post#5
So if REX remains the sole carrier on the ABX-MEL route, then maybe it's because the numbers seem to still indicate that they're still not sufficient to justify another carrier?
BUT, as Virgin Blue's announced that:
then it would be unwise to say that ABX-MEL is completely out of contention at some future point. 
I think Kiwiconehead provided the answer to your dilemma of the single carrier on the ABX-MEL route in post#5
Back in the good ol' Southern days the question of Melbourne - Albury used to come up often but the reply was that the numbers never worked.
BUT, as Virgin Blue's announced that:
The airline will initially launch with a Sydney-Albury service and will closely monitor demand for that route before evaluating other potential new routes in and out of Albury.
THE ORACLE,
Agree with you 100% on the operating economies of Turbo-props vs Jets over these sector lengths. Also, experience has shown that a once daily jet service may not significantly impact on an established Turbo-prop operators greater frequency and o'nite advantage. Ballina being a dramatic case in point.
But Mr. Hat is absolutely correct. Without crew it all becomes a little academic. If DJ are indeed looking at introducing 24 of these aircraft, not to mention the crew replacements on the 737 fleet, not to mention V Australia, not to mention Jetstar, not to mention Qantas.......,
Well. I think we all get the picture.
Oh, and my sources tell me that REX management have given intructions that no Albury services are to be cancelled. In 12 months time, the way things are going, REX might be still able to service Albury. As for the other ports??????????????????
Agree with you 100% on the operating economies of Turbo-props vs Jets over these sector lengths. Also, experience has shown that a once daily jet service may not significantly impact on an established Turbo-prop operators greater frequency and o'nite advantage. Ballina being a dramatic case in point.
But Mr. Hat is absolutely correct. Without crew it all becomes a little academic. If DJ are indeed looking at introducing 24 of these aircraft, not to mention the crew replacements on the 737 fleet, not to mention V Australia, not to mention Jetstar, not to mention Qantas.......,
Well. I think we all get the picture.
Oh, and my sources tell me that REX management have given intructions that no Albury services are to be cancelled. In 12 months time, the way things are going, REX might be still able to service Albury. As for the other ports??????????????????
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Hullo Krusty 34,
Well said and I think we all understand that pilots and engineers are the pivotal and critical resources around which the entire aviation industry turns!
Well said and I think we all understand that pilots and engineers are the pivotal and critical resources around which the entire aviation industry turns!
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It would be interesting to see how this affects the REX/VB baggage aggreement? VB will want the pax to travel with them on the SYD/ABX route if there connecting from another VB destination!
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fritzandsauce,
perhaps you should have a look at the SYD-ABX-SYD schedules for both REX and DJ for your answer! DJ are offering two return services daily at VFR rather than business sensitive times of the day (a morning service at either 0900 or possibly 0930 and a mid afternoon service at 1530) whereas REX (and EAA for that matter) offer four return services daily between 0635 and 2015. It seems that at least initially there will be plenty of scope to move many more PAX across the schedule spread and carry the bags within any existing baggage agreement, assuming of course REX decides to continue with the agreement after DJ commence ABX operations!!
perhaps you should have a look at the SYD-ABX-SYD schedules for both REX and DJ for your answer! DJ are offering two return services daily at VFR rather than business sensitive times of the day (a morning service at either 0900 or possibly 0930 and a mid afternoon service at 1530) whereas REX (and EAA for that matter) offer four return services daily between 0635 and 2015. It seems that at least initially there will be plenty of scope to move many more PAX across the schedule spread and carry the bags within any existing baggage agreement, assuming of course REX decides to continue with the agreement after DJ commence ABX operations!!
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ABX.....very clever response....so I'll change the last word to 'services' which I hope will draw a similarly clever response! Seriously though ABX, you may well be an informed person located in the beautiful city of ABX and if so, do you have any thoughts on the impending airline 'stoush' in the ABX market??
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G'day Oracle,
Most of the rumours I encounter are written for me right here on PPRuNe.
I have often pondered the ABX-MEL route, I figure that the pax numbers just don't support an additional carrier. Perhaps DJ might try and force Rex off the route at some stage.
If someone was to leave from my house and fly Rex ABX-MEL and then commute to my Nan's house in the Western suburbs, and at the exact same time I set off to drive to my Nan's place, they would be lucky to beat me by 30 minutes. If we change the destination to my friend on the far Eastern suburbs, I could beat them there no problems and without speeding.
I guess most people here know that and therefore the route has fewer patrons. Also a ABX-MEL-ABX fare costs about $200 where as the family commodore will cost about half that for the same trip, with 5 pax and max baggage!
As for baggage handling I guess Rex will have to honour their contracts and 'suck it up'.
Cheers,
Most of the rumours I encounter are written for me right here on PPRuNe.
I have often pondered the ABX-MEL route, I figure that the pax numbers just don't support an additional carrier. Perhaps DJ might try and force Rex off the route at some stage.
If someone was to leave from my house and fly Rex ABX-MEL and then commute to my Nan's house in the Western suburbs, and at the exact same time I set off to drive to my Nan's place, they would be lucky to beat me by 30 minutes. If we change the destination to my friend on the far Eastern suburbs, I could beat them there no problems and without speeding.
I guess most people here know that and therefore the route has fewer patrons. Also a ABX-MEL-ABX fare costs about $200 where as the family commodore will cost about half that for the same trip, with 5 pax and max baggage!
As for baggage handling I guess Rex will have to honour their contracts and 'suck it up'.
Cheers,
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Well the jungle jet is now flying daily to ABX and I must say it is nice to see the return of an RPT jet service to the area.
As yet I have not heard or read whether the flights have been heavily booked or otherwise.
Have you heard anything NOZ?
Cheers,
ABX
As yet I have not heard or read whether the flights have been heavily booked or otherwise.
Have you heard anything NOZ?
Cheers,
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Those SYD-ABX are pretty busy. The flights I have operated they are about 60-65 of 78 seats sold. The guest on board are alittle happy to hear flight times of 30 mins compared to 45-60 mins on the props.
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Hi KB,
How is it landing the jungle jet at YMAY? I'm guessing that your landing weight is not that heavy, do you use much of the rwy to get her slowed/stopped?
Personally I'm glad to hear that the new service has been well patronised. REX and QL have been sticking it to us for years. $200 to fly to SYD? You have to be kidding!
Cheers,
ABX
How is it landing the jungle jet at YMAY? I'm guessing that your landing weight is not that heavy, do you use much of the rwy to get her slowed/stopped?
Personally I'm glad to hear that the new service has been well patronised. REX and QL have been sticking it to us for years. $200 to fly to SYD? You have to be kidding!
Cheers,
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The turbo prop killer..
76seaters are what 26seats more than the litertally 10's of CRJ50 / ERJ aircraft that are being parked.
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The Q400's piss all over those EMB-170 type aircraft.
Although the Embraers are being used on some routes against the 400, many of the routes are longer sectors that are just to skinny for a 73.
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SS320, last time I read your posts you claimed to be a policeman. Now you are a Airbus 330/340 type rated aviation consultant.
When did this happen?
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Personally I'm glad to hear that the new service has been well patronised. REX and QL have been sticking it to us for years. $200 to fly to SYD? You have to be kidding!
Cheers,
ABX
Cheers,
ABX
Both REX and QF have had many specials available even as low as $74.
If the flights fill up, of-course the price of seats goes up, even today both airlines have $109 fares available. So your comment about REX and QF sticking it to the people of Albury is just plain wrong.
Cheers.
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p_g,
You're entitled to your opinion.
Rex and QL have matched the low prices of DJ on this route now that they have put the jungle jet on it. Try buying a ticket close to the departure date and see how much the ticket is. I have travelled ex-Albury for 20 years and $200 is pretty much the price.
If you don't think my message that the increased competition will give me cheaper fares then that is your opinion.
Back to the Rex marketing desk for you eh?
You're entitled to your opinion.
Rex and QL have matched the low prices of DJ on this route now that they have put the jungle jet on it. Try buying a ticket close to the departure date and see how much the ticket is. I have travelled ex-Albury for 20 years and $200 is pretty much the price.
If you don't think my message that the increased competition will give me cheaper fares then that is your opinion.
Back to the Rex marketing desk for you eh?
Of Course!
