aveng

Because they would rather screw over the avionics guys with instant experts (ie MA holders). Why pay an avionics Lame when they can get a mechanical MA guy to do it for nothing.

Managers Perspective

SkyAirworld brought the first Embraer 170 onto the Australian register using CAR31 licenced engineers, VB elected to use PT66.

If PT66 is used now it prevents having to retrain later for what is an inevitable implementation, large companies have chosen to make the training investment now and do it once.

If they choose to defer PT66 then they have to Australianise the type training to suit the CAR31 categories. Whereas if they elect to utilise PT66 then their is type course material readily available in the market place.

There is no doubt that a B1 licence holder is a versatile line station engineer, full Airframe, full Engine, full Electrical, full MEL, limited instrument and limited radio but able to changes boxes etc provided they are BITE test capable.

Very valuable line station engineer, but a major training investment to get him/her there.

For those that may not get initial company sponsorship on this sort of training I would suggest some self learning in areas that will get you RPL credits, make yourself attractive.

Mechanical licence holders should get on this ferris wheel or watch and weep as it goes past you.

Line stations overseas are "primarily" run by B1 guys, others are relegated to scheduled maintenance (perm nighshift).

MP.

Flugzeugmechaniker

Whose doing it for nothing?

Grassmere Avenue

Why train under a new system you ask?
How about they think it will be a cash cow where you can reduce the pay of the employees involved.
QF in particular, think that with the reduced experience required (new starters only) they can pay less for their manpower.
CASA still has not finalised the regulations covering this area, but currently a LAME must be 21 years of age and completed the reqd training, namely a 4 yr apprenticeship and Certificate.
The new training may possibly take only two years max, so there could be kids straight out of school and barely 18 signing for your a/c.
Also, as QF are finding out, there is not "a LAME under every rock".
A similar system to Europe opens up many more potential employees.
And we all know who has better weather.
Just an opinion.

The Mr Fixit

Fed Sec came to visit us in Brisvegas on a two fold mission it seems, one, to ease our concerns re A330 Heavy Maint issues and a wayward member who is now in strife (ouch blink blink)

It seems we now have little choice but to fight for what is right, after years of telling us that the A330 was ours QF has pulled the rug from under us.........a story that is familiar but still hurts. I didn't like leaving Sydney in the first place but I thought a new city may bring new horizons it seems we may become victims of the ruthless and greedy for a second time.

On the wayward member it seems he may journeying south to answer his executive or leave the brotherhood.

To the Melb Engineers I spoke to last week, cheer up brothers the fun just about to begin.

QF22

G'day guys I saw the light 15 years ago and did my extension basics myself.
Did my RPL last year and have B1 and CAR 31 licences.
As a line station engineer, working without an MA or B1 is like having one arm chopped off, especially with todays digital aircraft.
I agree with you, anyone or wishes to stay in the industry in a line environment, start studying.
Whether this "new" system is better? Time will tell.
Cheers

Cessna Master Beta

Under the new part66 system you still have to be 21 years or older. Yes the european system you can be 18 but CASA doesnt seem to be interested in lowering the age limit

If anyone believes that the part66 system is going to make the engineering shortage go away then think again . The current thinking at my TAFE is that B1 will be a 5 years apprenticeship and the new B3 (GA style) will be 3years.

Yeah but they take a huge pay reduction.....

ZK-NSJ

the chasers view on qantas outsourcing.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WSJop5sG2c


i still call australia 51% home

hadagutfull

ha ha ha ha.... f##king brilliant. .
sad, but how true

The Mr Fixit

JHAS Sharks are circling the A380, pity they will only ever be hangers on as QF will never hand over it's flagship.

shitthatsbig

What I've heard and seen is more like, 'Qantas can't wait to offload the A380.' The result of that will be the QF diehard LAME's circling JHAS for a sniff of a real job. Luckily, JHAS are smart to the low QF standard of LAME and will carefully vet the loosers from the real workers. That is why they are the competative force that will gaurantee the successful introduction of the New Flagship.
With your way of thinking, im guessing your world is about to be rocked.
Good luck, you'll need it.

QF22

We will find out in 2 weeks.

shitthatsbig

QF22,

You know the way I see it. What's your opinion?

Bumpfoh

QF22

Refer my post # 419 QE will do SYD, JH will do MEL, HM in KL? ? ?
Just a guess, we will all know in 2 weeks.
With the current industrial uncertainties the waters are very muddy.
Roll on Feb 4th.
Goodluck to all.
Cheers

another superlame

I thinkf QF will go for a joint venture with JHAS this will still allow QF control of the Big bus but will also make sure that they can't be held to ransom with QF industrial relations.
If it is a successful relationship I reckon the 787s will also go this way. As JHAS will already have B1 B2 trained people and the infrastructure to do the work it would be no brainer for QF

wingers

I can reliably inform all that :

QF have done a JV, this will mean major restructuring, but good hopefully

Very complex there are buy in buy outs etc, pretty complicated but as i understand it could be very good for AUSSIE LAMES,

Time will tell, we will see, but this alliance with a major EUROPEAN will catch most with there pants down

Syd eng

Would the Major European be Luthansa?

another superlame

QF and SR Technic already have a history together, and if I remember rightly QF and SR announced a few years ago that they would be getting into bed together to sort out logisitics for the A380. My bet is that SR is wanting to do more than just logistics.
But the announcement isn't being made until early Feb so if you know more than anyone else you would almost have to be on the board

another superlame

While I think about it, it was brought to my attention that JHAS has announced on their website they have recieved MRO approval from CASA,EASA,ADF and Singapore CAA.
That must help them with their QF A380 bid.
Qantas used to struggle to keep EASA and FAA repair station status let alone get new approvals