Finally, some balls - NJS Pilots take industrial action
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Pilots employer National Jet says the push for a ballot is premature, but the company says it will be prepared for any industrial action that may eventuate.
Thats the good points of the CIA........................................
Maybe the admiral thinks he can call on the armed forces a la '89, that should go over like a wrought iron hang glider
On the basis that there were five people at the Admiral's naval farewell in Darwin of which three of them HAD to be there- I don't think he holds much sway in that area anymore.
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Here's a suggestion...
All the pilots at NJS and Rex tender their resignation, incorporate a company, place a reasonable price on pilots' services and sell piloting services back to the organizations that need it, including Virgin and Qantas, by the hour, day, year or km. Down the track, lease or purchase simulators. Treat the organizations as customers.
Helmet on and DUCK!
All the pilots at NJS and Rex tender their resignation, incorporate a company, place a reasonable price on pilots' services and sell piloting services back to the organizations that need it, including Virgin and Qantas, by the hour, day, year or km. Down the track, lease or purchase simulators. Treat the organizations as customers.
Helmet on and DUCK!
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All the pilots at NJS and Rex tender their resignation, incorporate a company, place a reasonable price on pilots' services and sell piloting services back to the organizations that need it, including Virgin and Qantas, by the hour, day, year or km.
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Pants Down Gents
Gentlemen - you are forgetting the tag of the forum - "Finally, some balls - NJS Pilots TAKE industrial action.
Me Thinks the capability to take the action ain't one step closer to those balls being shown - the cohorts around me seem to be VERY reluctant (even quivering) that they will have actually have to do anything & instead hoping, pleading, that the CIA will offer anything that seems reasonable as a way out. This is a TWU campaign being driven by a union used to dealing with those without the intelligence or capability to negotiate commercially.
In the meanwhile - I ain't being treated like a bus driver. I'm getting me an AWA for 5 years with a net outcome WAY in advance of CPI just with a little honest business sense & one on one negotiation......but hey that's just me.
.......................onward you ball bearers - way to go - I can't wait !!
Me Thinks the capability to take the action ain't one step closer to those balls being shown - the cohorts around me seem to be VERY reluctant (even quivering) that they will have actually have to do anything & instead hoping, pleading, that the CIA will offer anything that seems reasonable as a way out. This is a TWU campaign being driven by a union used to dealing with those without the intelligence or capability to negotiate commercially.
In the meanwhile - I ain't being treated like a bus driver. I'm getting me an AWA for 5 years with a net outcome WAY in advance of CPI just with a little honest business sense & one on one negotiation......but hey that's just me.
.......................onward you ball bearers - way to go - I can't wait !!
BLASTER either you can see into the future or you don't know what your talking about.
What is the CPI going to be next year??
What is it going to be in 5yrs??
If you are happy with what you and LC negotiated, then I am happy for you. Sit back and relax and enjoy it. I would
I don't believe what you accepted is good enough and I won't accept it.
If you are happy, you said you are, and you don't believe the pilots have the balls to vote yes to IA, then why are you so concerned?? Relax man.
Your on an AWA!!!!
What is the CPI going to be next year??
What is it going to be in 5yrs??
If you are happy with what you and LC negotiated, then I am happy for you. Sit back and relax and enjoy it. I would
I don't believe what you accepted is good enough and I won't accept it.
If you are happy, you said you are, and you don't believe the pilots have the balls to vote yes to IA, then why are you so concerned?? Relax man.
Your on an AWA!!!!
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Oh - the horror. Get off the grass, what F%$K difference does an AWA vs CA have to do with anything except for the fact that one requires enough sheep to put their hooves in the air before it can be passed.
In the end, they are pieces of paper with words that describe the terms & conditions that govern my employment. I will get more advance than you and the baaaaaaaaas will ever get because I play management at their own game......understanding what they want & giving it to them in a way that doesn't cost me anything but allows them to give me what I want which is more $$$$$$$$$$
Good luck with your strategy
PS - I don't care what CPI is because I will get a % above whatever it is
In the end, they are pieces of paper with words that describe the terms & conditions that govern my employment. I will get more advance than you and the baaaaaaaaas will ever get because I play management at their own game......understanding what they want & giving it to them in a way that doesn't cost me anything but allows them to give me what I want which is more $$$$$$$$$$
Good luck with your strategy
PS - I don't care what CPI is because I will get a % above whatever it is
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interesting item I heard about the other day - generally, those on CA are on average at least $70 per fortnight (I think it was) better off than those on a AWA
I guess depending upon your perspective, it could be worth the fight.
I guess depending upon your perspective, it could be worth the fight.
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Blaster 666 you are the sheep in this instance. If you did some research before you started tapping away you would understand a few pertinant facts. AWA's and CA's are significantly different documents. As the study performed by Uni NSW pointed out, people on AWA's in bottom level employment are $100.00 worse off than people on CA's and work longer hours. The study found some other inequities with regard to T&Cs as well. I will add that Joe "Shrek" Hockey was critical of the study that his govt half funded, calling the academics union lackeys. He's now in for a defamation suit if he doesn't apologise, but hey he got media play.
There are and have always been significant differences between AWA's and CA's. They relate to the whole working group being able to bargain, not individuals and the people following them into jobs not being placed in a position of getting less than their peers for the same job. Now if your argument is that people are different and some work better than others then put those conditions in the CA. They are as flexible a document as AWA's. They also have a level of protection with regards to minimums offered to new starts.
Now Blaster you strike me as the sort of person that would undermine the common good to get those extra bits of silver for yourself. If I'm wrong I apologise, but the ideal of social justice is probably lost on you. I'll say again I wish the NJS mob all the best and hope they don't become too polarised and everyone in the process gets a decent say. Without sounding like a cliche it's important you all stand together and don't let people get marginalised on both sides of the argument.
Sorry for the long post again people but this propaganda without facts is getting tiresome.
There are and have always been significant differences between AWA's and CA's. They relate to the whole working group being able to bargain, not individuals and the people following them into jobs not being placed in a position of getting less than their peers for the same job. Now if your argument is that people are different and some work better than others then put those conditions in the CA. They are as flexible a document as AWA's. They also have a level of protection with regards to minimums offered to new starts.
Now Blaster you strike me as the sort of person that would undermine the common good to get those extra bits of silver for yourself. If I'm wrong I apologise, but the ideal of social justice is probably lost on you. I'll say again I wish the NJS mob all the best and hope they don't become too polarised and everyone in the process gets a decent say. Without sounding like a cliche it's important you all stand together and don't let people get marginalised on both sides of the argument.
Sorry for the long post again people but this propaganda without facts is getting tiresome.
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As the study performed by Uni NSW pointed out, people on AWA's in bottom level employment are $100.00 worse off than people on CA's
Just to clarify that is $100 per week. I know I could use that extra $5200 per year in my pocket!
Oh, but hang on, the CEOs and all need that to help pay for their multi-million dollar salaries..
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A quick google search turned up what W.O.G. was talking about ... and it does make worthwhile reading.
to check it out http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...96-462,00.html
I think there are some interesting things to have come out as a result of the survey.
to check it out http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...96-462,00.html
I think there are some interesting things to have come out as a result of the survey.
I think you'd need to read the actual study to get some meaningful information relevant to pilots.
What the blurb says is that low skilled workers get a better deal on a collective agreement. It also says that skilled workers with better bargaining power do better on individual contracts. There's no doubt that pilots are a "skilled" group. But the question of whether they have bargaining power depends on the industry at the time and it also depends on the individual pilots.
Anway, good luck to the NJS guys, I hope they contribute to making NJS a desirable place to work again.
What the blurb says is that low skilled workers get a better deal on a collective agreement. It also says that skilled workers with better bargaining power do better on individual contracts. There's no doubt that pilots are a "skilled" group. But the question of whether they have bargaining power depends on the industry at the time and it also depends on the individual pilots.
Anway, good luck to the NJS guys, I hope they contribute to making NJS a desirable place to work again.
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What a pity!...
many of the posts above just go to prove why the profession of airline pilot is now on a par with that of taxi driver!
Highly skilled people, years of dedication, years of study, years of gaining experience in GA, or charter, or Instructing, or the Airforce and then finally the Holy Grail!...an Airline position!
And what happens next?
Along comes XXXX like triple 6 and his mates. The 07 version of the 89 XXXXX who destroyed the profession of Airline pilot all those years ago!
When you consider the world wide demand for pilots today, what you should be paid for the high quality qualifications you have, what in actual fact you are being offered for those qualifications, then surely it becomes obvious what you should do!
Unless, of course, you're happy to be a selfish, deadbeat taxi driver like triple 6, who will end up a bigger loser than his 89 forbears!
many of the posts above just go to prove why the profession of airline pilot is now on a par with that of taxi driver!
Highly skilled people, years of dedication, years of study, years of gaining experience in GA, or charter, or Instructing, or the Airforce and then finally the Holy Grail!...an Airline position!
And what happens next?
Along comes XXXX like triple 6 and his mates. The 07 version of the 89 XXXXX who destroyed the profession of Airline pilot all those years ago!
When you consider the world wide demand for pilots today, what you should be paid for the high quality qualifications you have, what in actual fact you are being offered for those qualifications, then surely it becomes obvious what you should do!
Unless, of course, you're happy to be a selfish, deadbeat taxi driver like triple 6, who will end up a bigger loser than his 89 forbears!
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Amos2 well said. Blaster and those numbers, obviously do not care two Knobs of goat ****e about those that are coming behind them into this business. I for one, and am very sure, a whole lot of others at NJS, (pilots that is), do not want new pilots having to work for peanuts while persons of massive self indulgence, like Blaster say "stuff you jack I'm allright". Tell me blaster if there is a collective agreement negotiated that is better than your Very Impressive AWA then you will want no part of it??
And you do not think that we can stick together?????
WATCH THIS!!!!
And you do not think that we can stick together?????
WATCH THIS!!!!
amos and ross o
good posts, blokes/blokettes like b666 are why people like njs are is this mess. looks like they smell the wrong coffee and from clarets point of view they would have sore ankles travelling that distance
nog not nig
good posts, blokes/blokettes like b666 are why people like njs are is this mess. looks like they smell the wrong coffee and from clarets point of view they would have sore ankles travelling that distance
nog not nig
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Ross your comments are right on the money. The only problem is that your preaching is about 3 years to late ,when the original 717 deal was negotiated.
Why wouldn't you want to bargain your own agreement after the pilot group did such a wonderful job negotiating the last one? OH thats right we all got an increase in our phone allowance, in exchange for pay for your own endorsement and also we need you all to take pay cuts.
Why wouldn't you want to bargain your own agreement after the pilot group did such a wonderful job negotiating the last one? OH thats right we all got an increase in our phone allowance, in exchange for pay for your own endorsement and also we need you all to take pay cuts.
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You see...the sad thing about triple 6 and his mates, Frozo, Lingus and others, is the fact that they will never see a triple 7!
Think about it! The young guys from 89 that were XXXXX on, moved on to bigger and better things in Oz, and around the world, to the extent that they now hold down senior check and training positions in the worlds airlines!
And, they have long memories!!
07 XXXXXX types like those mentioned above have their names passed on through the system and the system takes care of them!
Just keep that in mind!
Think about it! The young guys from 89 that were XXXXX on, moved on to bigger and better things in Oz, and around the world, to the extent that they now hold down senior check and training positions in the worlds airlines!
And, they have long memories!!
07 XXXXXX types like those mentioned above have their names passed on through the system and the system takes care of them!
Just keep that in mind!
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You see...the sad thing about triple 6 and his mates, Frozo, Lingus and others, is the fact that they will never see a triple 7!
**** about me, for the record I spent 13 years at Nat Joke, and any NJS driver would know what I am talking about when I say " it aint an airline ", pretty sure most would agree too.
is the fact that they will never see a triple 7!
So, up yours