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Old 25th Aug 2007, 05:21
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Directair have been having lots of problems with their PH outfit, I assume you were talking about those 2?
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 05:30
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BrazDriver, I would be suprised if Chad Sexington isn't refering to a few that Network had or any of the remaining Skippers C441.

VH-AZW (ex Network) is rumoured to be the oldest and highest time C441 still flying in the world. Don't know where she is now though.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 05:43
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Parked in a hangar somewhere.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 05:53
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I didnt notice the rego and i'm unfamiliar with the local operators, one of em looks like an ex Rossair machine tho.
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rotcivtolip, I walked straight into that one I suppose.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 06:21
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Networks AZW was sold to Hardy's in DN at the beginning of the year. Lots of corrosion in the old girl! Most of the Skippers and Directair Perth fleet are SN 130 and below.

LBY is SN 0023 from memory!

Directair's ex Rossair 441 is XMG
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 07:15
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Just on the news, 34 grounded.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 07:23
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Is there a list of the planes that have been grounded?
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 07:29
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No but we could start one!
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 07:39
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OK - put C441's with >22,500 hrs at the top of the list!
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 08:02
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http://www.casa.gov.au/casadata/regs...&Search=Search

This link should tell you. Would suggest that most of the pre-1990 registrations will have had time to exceed the limit.
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Only six to be grounded by midnight, so far.
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Considering the bulk of them were built between '78 and '81 and most of the Aussie ones come out of that cohort and have been in high utilisation, I'll be amazed if most here wont be either grounded or wont have all that much time left.

And yes the condition of some of them is absolutely disgraceful, how they have the hide to put paying passengers in them escapes me just for the moment.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 11:38
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None of Rossair's are grounded.

DF.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 12:59
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Conquest groundings

Whats the odds groundings will flow over to the SKA200 and B200? Know quite a few over 20000 hrs.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 14:14
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Citation sales

Seems I read on here some time ago that Cessna stopped making the Conquest because it competed with the Citation sales.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 15:16
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True but it was also coincident with the cessation of ALL FAR23 propeller driven types.

And no there isn't anything conspiratorial in re Citation.

It is only the beginning for high time FAR 23 types in Australia.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 22:50
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"Whats the odds groundings will flow over to the SKA200 and B200? Know quite a few over 20000 hrs."
I doubt that will happen whilst the Beech King Air is a current production aircraft. From memory, there is a hull life limit around 30,000 cycles. A Norfolk Island Airlines King Air hit the limit over 20 years ago and from memory there was a "fix" - external straps in the area of the rear pressure bulkhead?

Rather than mourn the loss, one should applaud the achievement of an aircraft probably only designed for around 8,000 to 10,000 hours life span!

I suggest the industry will see more onerous aging aircraft programs, to the extent that today's geriatric Australian GA aircraft fleet will become less and less cost effective in the future, versus purchase of new technology aircraft. Operators who have burned their depreciation provisions over the years, either in cross hire or operating losses, will simply exit the industry resulting in a smaller, more efficient and modern GA industry.
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 23:44
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I don't know about the C441 but I know of 5 DHC-A's that have more than 40000hrs or more than 38000 cycles on them(3 have more than 45000), and the remaining 4 have in excess of 25000 hrs in the QLINK fleet. The 100 fleet should have been retired years ago.

I don't know how QF can have these sh1t heaps even associated with the kangaroo let alone keep flogging them around and keep spruiking off about delivering a quality product to its clients.
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Old 26th Aug 2007, 00:10
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Baxter:

The difference is that the C441 was designed and type certified under a different set of rules than the Dash series.

Most new designs certified under FAR 23 have a life limit already noted in their MM.

These life limits can be changed by the manufacturer as operational experiance is gained.

An example is the Cirrus; it's initial life limit was 4,000 hours, now all Cirrus have a life limit of 12,000 hours and I understand that is about to be extended to 18,000 hours.

Not that 18,000 hours is a 'throw-away' event. Cirrus plan to have an airframe inspection process to extend beyond that time.

Therefore, either Cessna or another company may develop an airframe mod or inspection schedule to extend the C441 beyond 22,500 hours.

The Piper Trauma-Hawk has an 11,000 hour life. But a company in the USA got an STC mod approved to extend beyond that.
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