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BrazDriver, I would be suprised if Chad Sexington isn't refering to a few that Network had or any of the remaining Skippers C441.
VH-AZW (ex Network) is rumoured to be the oldest and highest time C441 still flying in the world. Don't know where she is now though.
VH-AZW (ex Network) is rumoured to be the oldest and highest time C441 still flying in the world. Don't know where she is now though.
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Networks AZW was sold to Hardy's in DN at the beginning of the year. Lots of corrosion in the old girl! Most of the Skippers and Directair Perth fleet are SN 130 and below.
LBY is SN 0023 from memory!
Directair's ex Rossair 441 is XMG
LBY is SN 0023 from memory!
Directair's ex Rossair 441 is XMG
http://www.casa.gov.au/casadata/regs...&Search=Search
This link should tell you. Would suggest that most of the pre-1990 registrations will have had time to exceed the limit.
This link should tell you. Would suggest that most of the pre-1990 registrations will have had time to exceed the limit.
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Considering the bulk of them were built between '78 and '81 and most of the Aussie ones come out of that cohort and have been in high utilisation, I'll be amazed if most here wont be either grounded or wont have all that much time left.
And yes the condition of some of them is absolutely disgraceful, how they have the hide to put paying passengers in them escapes me just for the moment.
And yes the condition of some of them is absolutely disgraceful, how they have the hide to put paying passengers in them escapes me just for the moment.
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True but it was also coincident with the cessation of ALL FAR23 propeller driven types.
And no there isn't anything conspiratorial in re Citation.
It is only the beginning for high time FAR 23 types in Australia.
And no there isn't anything conspiratorial in re Citation.
It is only the beginning for high time FAR 23 types in Australia.
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"Whats the odds groundings will flow over to the SKA200 and B200? Know quite a few over 20000 hrs."
Rather than mourn the loss, one should applaud the achievement of an aircraft probably only designed for around 8,000 to 10,000 hours life span!
I suggest the industry will see more onerous aging aircraft programs, to the extent that today's geriatric Australian GA aircraft fleet will become less and less cost effective in the future, versus purchase of new technology aircraft. Operators who have burned their depreciation provisions over the years, either in cross hire or operating losses, will simply exit the industry resulting in a smaller, more efficient and modern GA industry.
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I don't know about the C441 but I know of 5 DHC-A's that have more than 40000hrs or more than 38000 cycles on them(3 have more than 45000), and the remaining 4 have in excess of 25000 hrs in the QLINK fleet. The 100 fleet should have been retired years ago.
I don't know how QF can have these sh1t heaps even associated with the kangaroo let alone keep flogging them around and keep spruiking off about delivering a quality product to its clients.
I don't know how QF can have these sh1t heaps even associated with the kangaroo let alone keep flogging them around and keep spruiking off about delivering a quality product to its clients.
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Baxter:
The difference is that the C441 was designed and type certified under a different set of rules than the Dash series.
Most new designs certified under FAR 23 have a life limit already noted in their MM.
These life limits can be changed by the manufacturer as operational experiance is gained.
An example is the Cirrus; it's initial life limit was 4,000 hours, now all Cirrus have a life limit of 12,000 hours and I understand that is about to be extended to 18,000 hours.
Not that 18,000 hours is a 'throw-away' event. Cirrus plan to have an airframe inspection process to extend beyond that time.
Therefore, either Cessna or another company may develop an airframe mod or inspection schedule to extend the C441 beyond 22,500 hours.
The Piper Trauma-Hawk has an 11,000 hour life. But a company in the USA got an STC mod approved to extend beyond that.
The difference is that the C441 was designed and type certified under a different set of rules than the Dash series.
Most new designs certified under FAR 23 have a life limit already noted in their MM.
These life limits can be changed by the manufacturer as operational experiance is gained.
An example is the Cirrus; it's initial life limit was 4,000 hours, now all Cirrus have a life limit of 12,000 hours and I understand that is about to be extended to 18,000 hours.
Not that 18,000 hours is a 'throw-away' event. Cirrus plan to have an airframe inspection process to extend beyond that time.
Therefore, either Cessna or another company may develop an airframe mod or inspection schedule to extend the C441 beyond 22,500 hours.
The Piper Trauma-Hawk has an 11,000 hour life. But a company in the USA got an STC mod approved to extend beyond that.