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Oh Dear!
If you stop writing your check to Rishworth for a second and re-read you will see my third paragraph starts with "On a more serious note...", that and the thumbs up may have been a sign of a bit of a piss take.
To any who may not have perceived this - my apologies.
Hmm - register with someone in order to be allowed to pay heaps of money (on which they no doubt will make a percentage) with the expectation, not guarentee, of a short term contract and after that...?
Correct me if wrong but I believe all the other airlines you mentioned (and not all charge for endorsements but that could change any day I suppose!) have the prospect for ongoing employment and PROMOTION to Captain where airline time really counts towards some type of employment security in the REAl WORLD.
Bugger all contract slots that allow for upgrading - may change in time, who knows - so maybe another factor before you let loose with all that $$$$.
And then I finished off acknowledging, with the pro's and con's, a tough call in the aviation environment today (maybe not in words of one or two syllables but I think the intent is clear.)
Gees I'm a real bastard!
Oh Dear!
If you stop writing your check to Rishworth for a second and re-read you will see my third paragraph starts with "On a more serious note...", that and the thumbs up may have been a sign of a bit of a piss take.
To any who may not have perceived this - my apologies.
Hmm - register with someone in order to be allowed to pay heaps of money (on which they no doubt will make a percentage) with the expectation, not guarentee, of a short term contract and after that...?
Correct me if wrong but I believe all the other airlines you mentioned (and not all charge for endorsements but that could change any day I suppose!) have the prospect for ongoing employment and PROMOTION to Captain where airline time really counts towards some type of employment security in the REAl WORLD.
Bugger all contract slots that allow for upgrading - may change in time, who knows - so maybe another factor before you let loose with all that $$$$.
And then I finished off acknowledging, with the pro's and con's, a tough call in the aviation environment today (maybe not in words of one or two syllables but I think the intent is clear.)
Gees I'm a real bastard!
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Don't trust then as far as you can throw them!!
If you have to deal with Rishworth, cover your a#$e well and make copies of everything as too much gets lost there.
Just be careful.
If you have to deal with Rishworth, cover your a#$e well and make copies of everything as too much gets lost there.
Just be careful.
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Be careful Cunning
Much as I am aware you have tongue firmly in cheek there appear to be some out there who might be inclined to take you seriously.
Of course one can only hope they are clogging the Rishworth phone system to desperately confirm this wonderful new development prior to writing a blank cheque to secure this unique and unprecedented opportunity.
Sadly would suggest now NO chance for anyone who was not a "Rishworth Elite" member.
Much as I am aware you have tongue firmly in cheek there appear to be some out there who might be inclined to take you seriously.
Of course one can only hope they are clogging the Rishworth phone system to desperately confirm this wonderful new development prior to writing a blank cheque to secure this unique and unprecedented opportunity.
Sadly would suggest now NO chance for anyone who was not a "Rishworth Elite" member.
All.............
Let's put it in perspective.
Q: How far can you throw a grand piano up a staircase?
A: Not far/I can't/Fcuk off!...................[and all of the above or variations thereof].
OK.............TopTup almost wins the exploding Havana cigar for trying to tell you ALL what's at RISK in this competition, ie.,
In other words, as CT7 puts it:
Which isn't very far, OR, as I'm trying to tell you:
A): A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE EASILY PARTED!
B): HOW TO MAKE A SMALL FORTUNE IN AVIATION? START WITH A BIG ONE (FORTUNE, YOU FOOLS...........YOURS!) AND END UP WITH A SMALL ONE(FORTUNE)
c): VARIATIONS ON A) or B) WILL ALMOST CERTSINLY APPLY IF YOU DON"T LISTEN!
CAPICE?
PS. For the record, I never got 'stung' by this lot of mongrels or any others on my way thyrough the revolving door of aviation for the 35 years that I was involved. Had a nephew who did though!
Let's put it in perspective.
Q: How far can you throw a grand piano up a staircase?
A: Not far/I can't/Fcuk off!...................[and all of the above or variations thereof].
OK.............TopTup almost wins the exploding Havana cigar for trying to tell you ALL what's at RISK in this competition, ie.,
If you're flying for $$ then you're doing it for the wrong reasons
Don't trust them [particular crowd in question] as far as you can throw them
A): A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE EASILY PARTED!
B): HOW TO MAKE A SMALL FORTUNE IN AVIATION? START WITH A BIG ONE (FORTUNE, YOU FOOLS...........YOURS!) AND END UP WITH A SMALL ONE(FORTUNE)
c): VARIATIONS ON A) or B) WILL ALMOST CERTSINLY APPLY IF YOU DON"T LISTEN!
CAPICE?
PS. For the record, I never got 'stung' by this lot of mongrels or any others on my way thyrough the revolving door of aviation for the 35 years that I was involved. Had a nephew who did though!
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Funny, I recently came across this link while doing a project for uni. Don't know what it was doing in the For Sale section.
http://www.aviationclassifieds.com/v...hp?ads_id=3463
http://www.aviationclassifieds.com/v...hp?ads_id=3463
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It's hard to argue logic with someone who has their head firmly implanted 180 deg the wrong way and at waist level, but anyway......
I HAVE NOT NOR EVER had anythig to do with Rishworth. CAPICE?
I have had a few mates who have. Mostly with a beneficial outcome. And yes, for the record one mate went from Metro to Command on a B767 flying international in 2.5 years. The usual progression is about 4 years at RBA. That's a fact. Not saying it's god or bad, just stating a fact. There will always be exceptions either side of that bell curve. Why don't you do some research before mouthing off? Come out with some facts instead of relying on rumour and guess work.
For the others I know who have gone through Rishworth, like other posts they also stipulate strongly to be VERY wary.
This "Elite Group" that the illustrious head planted Galdian speaks of so veremantly is no different to any other "group" who applies to an organisation for consideration. Mate, I let your last post go through to the keeper, but you're an idiot. That elite group desperately waiting in line with open cheque books must also include those at Virgin Blue, Pac Blue, Jetstar, Q'link.... and so on. No elite group, just people registering an interest. Those people who register an interest are therefore offered the product that these companies have on offer. And guess what!!!?? Those who don't register an interest don't get called for positions those companies have to offer. It aint hard.
The imbocilic Galdian believes, by definition, that if you don't win lotto, sue the lettery agency. Not your fault you didn't buy a ticket!! Some w$$ker who took the time to do so won. He / she is a memeber of an "elite group".
And again, as mentioned before, and I'm typing this slow for you Galdian so you don't miss the point, anyone going into a job not knowing all the risks and details is a fool.
Time and time again I've seen pilots willing to sell their grandmother for a job, get it and then turn into the type who b$tches about the aeroplane, the roster, the routes they fly, the money...... You asked for it, got it, and now complain for getting it.
Think before you act, or in some cases, before you type.
That's me signing off from this topic.... It's embaressing to waste time to respond to a fool. To the moderators, sorry if I'm out of line with some comments but there's only so much anyone can take. Galdian, you seem like the lowest level of mediocrity that has gotten by on the start date seniorty list all your life and career. Don't worry about effort, ability or professional integrity, that's for people involved in "elite groups" who put their hand up to be considered. Do your best, I won't respond. Over it.
I HAVE NOT NOR EVER had anythig to do with Rishworth. CAPICE?
I have had a few mates who have. Mostly with a beneficial outcome. And yes, for the record one mate went from Metro to Command on a B767 flying international in 2.5 years. The usual progression is about 4 years at RBA. That's a fact. Not saying it's god or bad, just stating a fact. There will always be exceptions either side of that bell curve. Why don't you do some research before mouthing off? Come out with some facts instead of relying on rumour and guess work.
For the others I know who have gone through Rishworth, like other posts they also stipulate strongly to be VERY wary.
This "Elite Group" that the illustrious head planted Galdian speaks of so veremantly is no different to any other "group" who applies to an organisation for consideration. Mate, I let your last post go through to the keeper, but you're an idiot. That elite group desperately waiting in line with open cheque books must also include those at Virgin Blue, Pac Blue, Jetstar, Q'link.... and so on. No elite group, just people registering an interest. Those people who register an interest are therefore offered the product that these companies have on offer. And guess what!!!?? Those who don't register an interest don't get called for positions those companies have to offer. It aint hard.
The imbocilic Galdian believes, by definition, that if you don't win lotto, sue the lettery agency. Not your fault you didn't buy a ticket!! Some w$$ker who took the time to do so won. He / she is a memeber of an "elite group".
And again, as mentioned before, and I'm typing this slow for you Galdian so you don't miss the point, anyone going into a job not knowing all the risks and details is a fool.
Time and time again I've seen pilots willing to sell their grandmother for a job, get it and then turn into the type who b$tches about the aeroplane, the roster, the routes they fly, the money...... You asked for it, got it, and now complain for getting it.
Think before you act, or in some cases, before you type.
That's me signing off from this topic.... It's embaressing to waste time to respond to a fool. To the moderators, sorry if I'm out of line with some comments but there's only so much anyone can take. Galdian, you seem like the lowest level of mediocrity that has gotten by on the start date seniorty list all your life and career. Don't worry about effort, ability or professional integrity, that's for people involved in "elite groups" who put their hand up to be considered. Do your best, I won't respond. Over it.
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TopTup - whilst somewhat bemused at what triggered it all I have to acknowledge a truely excellent, excellent spray!
Just a few points:
- "lowest level of mediocrity" is fine, "start date seniority list all your life and career" nope, sorry you're wrong there, airline and contract and I haven't stuffed up yet (but hey there's always tomorow
);- whilst some of the other airlines may get you to cough up the dough they do provide a guaranteed career path to command and (all things being equal) a position for as long as you want it, neither of which are guaranteed in this deal;
- if the deal relates specifically to RBA and one hopes that what has happened in the past repeats itself then fine, my GENERALISATION regarding contract work was that there are very very few contracts that allow for, or even hint at, upgrading to command, fact and in the contract world (sadly) co-pilot hours are almost useless, fact.
I am disappointed you did not read my posts more closely, suspect you may have read things that were not there but at the very least you may have gotten a better handle on the "elite group" thing which, as I said in my second posting, was a fair amount of "piss take" with a bit of irony, levity etc etc thrown in.
I am truly sorry you did not get that as it seems to have caused a touch (
) of aggro.Not everything on Pprune is posted in deadly earnest and thank god for that or else it'd be pretty boring!
Cheers
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Back to the topic?
a quick google shows the B777 rating at USD17570. If bought in bulk, this should be considerably less, adding the cost of a flight to get there, fee to put it on the license, hotel + transport, a rating should go for well under 17000. And then of course, as the airline will have you do the training according to their SOPs, they will save the OPC, which should show in the final price of the rating?! (minus 2000 or 3000 USD).
Alteon also offers an abbreviated rating for people with B737 experience for USD11370, and, as the have a sim in Tokyo and Singapore, should this be for KAL or Vietnam Airlines, you should get the rating for well under USD10000, as flights ought to be free...
Not a bad deal me thinks, if Rishworth and that company play fair, this is very acceptable, rather than being bonded.... - I realize these companies may not do it at cost, just want to show yous THEIR cost. Now go and calculate, taking the following into account:
Does Rishworth want it up front from yous or do you give them a bank guarantee and it comes out of the salary? Where do you stand if they cannot deliver on the job? You have to pay or they do? Be VERY careful if something comes out of your pocket upfront.
cheers IP.
a quick google shows the B777 rating at USD17570. If bought in bulk, this should be considerably less, adding the cost of a flight to get there, fee to put it on the license, hotel + transport, a rating should go for well under 17000. And then of course, as the airline will have you do the training according to their SOPs, they will save the OPC, which should show in the final price of the rating?! (minus 2000 or 3000 USD).
Alteon also offers an abbreviated rating for people with B737 experience for USD11370, and, as the have a sim in Tokyo and Singapore, should this be for KAL or Vietnam Airlines, you should get the rating for well under USD10000, as flights ought to be free...
Not a bad deal me thinks, if Rishworth and that company play fair, this is very acceptable, rather than being bonded.... - I realize these companies may not do it at cost, just want to show yous THEIR cost. Now go and calculate, taking the following into account:
Does Rishworth want it up front from yous or do you give them a bank guarantee and it comes out of the salary? Where do you stand if they cannot deliver on the job? You have to pay or they do? Be VERY careful if something comes out of your pocket upfront.
cheers IP.
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