VB ad today's Australian
DM,
After just spending 3 days on the line with a new 73 FO, no you dont get any pay until you pass your sim check with Virgin, the pay check we call it. Been like that for the last 6 odd years where guys/gals have had to pay for their own endorsement.
Yes it is a very big ask. Been there done that. Had to do exactly as you described with a mortgage and two kids, wife no worky....................
Certainly not the best way to enter a domestic airline, didnt like it but did it. Hopefully one day we can change these requirements such as paying for endorsements etc. I wouldnt hold your breath though.
What ever you decide, with who ever you decide, I hope it goes well.
Regards,
Servo
After just spending 3 days on the line with a new 73 FO, no you dont get any pay until you pass your sim check with Virgin, the pay check we call it. Been like that for the last 6 odd years where guys/gals have had to pay for their own endorsement.
Yes it is a very big ask. Been there done that. Had to do exactly as you described with a mortgage and two kids, wife no worky....................
Certainly not the best way to enter a domestic airline, didnt like it but did it. Hopefully one day we can change these requirements such as paying for endorsements etc. I wouldnt hold your breath though.
What ever you decide, with who ever you decide, I hope it goes well.
Regards,
Servo
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If you have annual leave - take it, and do the endorsement while on leave. It will also help with your tax deduction. If you dont have leave owing, and you have a good boss, see if he/she will give you leave without pay while doing the rating, go back for a few days and then resign officially after you have done the rating.
At the moment VB dont have training wages, it's full pay from day 1, which is after you have done the rating and the "pay check" in the sim.
bullamakanka I would have thought a training wage for a year would be better than forking out 30+K after tax upfront?? You must really enjoy that Dash? (and no, I dont agree with paying for training)
At the moment VB dont have training wages, it's full pay from day 1, which is after you have done the rating and the "pay check" in the sim.
bullamakanka I would have thought a training wage for a year would be better than forking out 30+K after tax upfront?? You must really enjoy that Dash? (and no, I dont agree with paying for training)
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OS type rating should not be necessary with the three training providers competing for your dollars. If you can't show a type rating on something above 5700kg, don't even consider the US, Homeland Security won't let you.
By the time you factor in airfares, accom and the inevitable dicking around that the US visa process will provide, it's highly unlikely that the trip will be justified.
Consider also: all three provider here will teach to Virgin Blue standards, which you will have to demonstrate some knowledge of in your 'pay check'. Where deficiencies are noted, lines of communication are open between the training providers and Virgin.
As for Emb, very few if any FOs will see the inside of the Singaporean sim. The Bris box should be up and running before the 190s get here, and the first batch of 170s will essentially be flown by checkies/trainers and new line capts until then. Aim Boeing anyway.
By the time you factor in airfares, accom and the inevitable dicking around that the US visa process will provide, it's highly unlikely that the trip will be justified.
Consider also: all three provider here will teach to Virgin Blue standards, which you will have to demonstrate some knowledge of in your 'pay check'. Where deficiencies are noted, lines of communication are open between the training providers and Virgin.
As for Emb, very few if any FOs will see the inside of the Singaporean sim. The Bris box should be up and running before the 190s get here, and the first batch of 170s will essentially be flown by checkies/trainers and new line capts until then. Aim Boeing anyway.
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Capt BB,
Yes you are right, it would be better to pay the endo pre tax rather than from nett income. I guess I was hoping there may be minimal endo cost or bonding as this was being discussed recently with the intro of the new VB EBA. A training wage combined with a deduction from your gross pay is a step in the right direction though.
Yeah the dash is a great machine to get around in. Goes well and the flying is not to bad.
Have a good one!
Bulla
Yes you are right, it would be better to pay the endo pre tax rather than from nett income. I guess I was hoping there may be minimal endo cost or bonding as this was being discussed recently with the intro of the new VB EBA. A training wage combined with a deduction from your gross pay is a step in the right direction though.
Yeah the dash is a great machine to get around in. Goes well and the flying is not to bad.
Have a good one!
Bulla
737 Type ratings
With slots virtually unavailable at either Alteon or QANTAS until early next year, and with successful VB candidates banking up while interviews still happening, how will the majority obtain their type ratings? Guess a large percentage will have to go OS?
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If they really want to spend money, they could split training between simulators and the aircraft. We actually did that for the Jetstream 41 intro back in 1995 at Trans States. We did something like a 50/50 ride.
It made more time available for the only simulator that existed for a short time.
It made more time available for the only simulator that existed for a short time.
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As a British passport holder, it took around 30 days for the US background check to come through for me (but I had lived in the US for some time).
If your passport is UK or Aus, I would guess the process is somewhat straight forward.
With 737 types available at US$5,000 I would suggest you look into it - seems a lot better than AUS$30k!!
Thanks to all posting valuable info here. Good luck to all applicants, and remember; most airlines bond or reduce first year pay.
If your passport is UK or Aus, I would guess the process is somewhat straight forward.
With 737 types available at US$5,000 I would suggest you look into it - seems a lot better than AUS$30k!!
Thanks to all posting valuable info here. Good luck to all applicants, and remember; most airlines bond or reduce first year pay.
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