VB Vs Jet* Rosters
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VB Vs Jet* Rosters
Looking at applying to VB and/or J*. If anyone can give me some information on RDO's, Number of overnights per month, days off at home base for either one would be most helpfull. The pay scale is quite different so I'm guessing rostering is the issue. Any info on interview process would also be appreciated.
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Kavo, making 8- $9500K/ month, min 10 up to 25hrs O/T u lucky bugger !!
J* RDOs = 9, O/N = O, see numerous other posts re: interviews.
VB O/N 10+, stand by for promises on O/Ns from new EBA
J* RDOs = 9, O/N = O, see numerous other posts re: interviews.
VB O/N 10+, stand by for promises on O/Ns from new EBA
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So whats a typical roster consist of in simple terms. How many days do you work, O/N's and how many days do you get off at home base? Virgin bases pilots at BN and Melbourne. Where are the Jet * pilots based. Is commuting an option for either?
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If you're looking for a career, then QF would be your best choice. If you want an LCC to use for experience before heading overseas to fly some heavy equipment then VB would be better than JQ or Tiger because they have a Certified Agreement with reasonable terms and conditions (ie better conditions than the crap that IPG accepted).
If you're looking for a career, then QF would be your best choice. If you want an LCC to use for experience before heading overseas to fly some heavy equipment then VB would be better than JQ or Tiger because they have a Certified Agreement with reasonable terms and conditions (ie better conditions than the crap that IPG accepted).
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Soup, the only problem with Goings plan, which would normally be a good one, is that with VB u will be going in as somewhere around pilot no. 550 and with Jet* around 450, I beleive that neither of these companies will expand to the point of getting a command inside of 5 years ( ie if you need 200 guys to get commands before you get one, thats roughly 35-40 narrow body a/c ) and f/o time is not much good for getting big bucks O/S.
QF, well there are guys there currently that have been waiting 10years+ for command.
Commuting almost impossible in Jet* short haul, I know of guys that do it in VB
Jestar bases: CS,BN/CG,ML,AV,AD,LT,SY
QF, well there are guys there currently that have been waiting 10years+ for command.
Commuting almost impossible in Jet* short haul, I know of guys that do it in VB
Jestar bases: CS,BN/CG,ML,AV,AD,LT,SY
Commuting in J*?
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Hi Cunning
Normally pretty much agree with your posts but will disagree a bit this time (admittedly based on pretty big IFFFFSSSSS!)
I stick to my previously stated beliefs that VB have dug a hole regarding their lack of training (50% failure of command upgrades is not anything to be proud of IMHO) however that was a few months ago and may have given the Flight Department the kick up the arse they obviously needed to spend less time at the Brekky and more time running an (allegedly) professional airline.
I still shudder at the thought that any sane individual could believe that (regarding the jungle jets) putting brand new captains with brand new GA F/O's in a brand new aircraft with the lack of background and minimisation of training that is now the recognised VB hallmark and standard is doing anything but invite disaster - but each to his own.
However IF IF IF things improve regarding training to the point where they can successfully introduce the jj's and the 777 (or else "get away with it", two similar but very different animals) then there should be a fair amount of movement in the near future (next 5 years??)
As such I see the POTENTIAL for substantial movement in VB wheras far less so for pornstar.
Of course the question of DEC's to get VB "over the hump" (at whatever cost) is very valid - but maybe best saved for another time and forum!
And the question of how the VB "training" is viewed by operators around the world and the prospects for VB captains who have no experience other than VB?? - maybe also another time and forum!
However agree 100% - the big bucks are for the Captains, F/O time is relatively useless; whilst things could change Captaincy is still well and truely King!
Normally pretty much agree with your posts but will disagree a bit this time (admittedly based on pretty big IFFFFSSSSS!)
I stick to my previously stated beliefs that VB have dug a hole regarding their lack of training (50% failure of command upgrades is not anything to be proud of IMHO) however that was a few months ago and may have given the Flight Department the kick up the arse they obviously needed to spend less time at the Brekky and more time running an (allegedly) professional airline.
I still shudder at the thought that any sane individual could believe that (regarding the jungle jets) putting brand new captains with brand new GA F/O's in a brand new aircraft with the lack of background and minimisation of training that is now the recognised VB hallmark and standard is doing anything but invite disaster - but each to his own.
However IF IF IF things improve regarding training to the point where they can successfully introduce the jj's and the 777 (or else "get away with it", two similar but very different animals) then there should be a fair amount of movement in the near future (next 5 years??)
As such I see the POTENTIAL for substantial movement in VB wheras far less so for pornstar.
Of course the question of DEC's to get VB "over the hump" (at whatever cost) is very valid - but maybe best saved for another time and forum!
And the question of how the VB "training" is viewed by operators around the world and the prospects for VB captains who have no experience other than VB?? - maybe also another time and forum!
However agree 100% - the big bucks are for the Captains, F/O time is relatively useless; whilst things could change Captaincy is still well and truely King!
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Pleats, sorry wot was I thinking, would'nt be looking at real estate in PH or DRW just yet, last word from AJ a couple of months ago was " PH, not in the next 18 months or so " ( or words to that effect )at the ML roadshow.
DN has only ever been a rumour, I thought.
Night, commuting possible, with proviso u r within 2 hrs of airport on reserves. Since the SY L/H guys are working ( roughly ) 15 days a month, that leaves about 5-6 availables.
Galdian, I thought everybody pretty much disagreed with my posts, so thanks.
You may have misinterpreted what I said, not at all saying VB will get a heap of DECs ( except for the 777 ) but rather with the 15 or so JJs and 7 x 777s that makes around ( lets be generous ) 150 commands. If a new hire is going in with 275 F/Os in front of him ( which he/she will be ) thats not lookin too good for a left seat in the foreseeable future.
With Tiger planning to dump even more capacity on our fair shores, I dont see how VB or Jet* can possibly expand much more than they have already advertised.
Therefore making new hires at those 2 F/Os for a long term ( like Vb in the last 4 or so years )
All of this is of course MHO
DN has only ever been a rumour, I thought.
Night, commuting possible, with proviso u r within 2 hrs of airport on reserves. Since the SY L/H guys are working ( roughly ) 15 days a month, that leaves about 5-6 availables.
Galdian, I thought everybody pretty much disagreed with my posts, so thanks.
You may have misinterpreted what I said, not at all saying VB will get a heap of DECs ( except for the 777 ) but rather with the 15 or so JJs and 7 x 777s that makes around ( lets be generous ) 150 commands. If a new hire is going in with 275 F/Os in front of him ( which he/she will be ) thats not lookin too good for a left seat in the foreseeable future.
With Tiger planning to dump even more capacity on our fair shores, I dont see how VB or Jet* can possibly expand much more than they have already advertised.
Therefore making new hires at those 2 F/Os for a long term ( like Vb in the last 4 or so years )
All of this is of course MHO
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Jetblues and all others
Thanks for that. I've checked out the latest EBA. Seems a lot more dollars than than previous. QF is out for me as no HSC and no motivation to get one. Just turned the big 40 but I do have some nice experience so I'll give Jet* and Virgin a go and see what happens. If nothing, I guess I'll stay right here!
Thanks for that. I've checked out the latest EBA. Seems a lot more dollars than than previous. QF is out for me as no HSC and no motivation to get one. Just turned the big 40 but I do have some nice experience so I'll give Jet* and Virgin a go and see what happens. If nothing, I guess I'll stay right here!
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Gday Cunning, yes, DRW is a rumour. PER however is on the bid form. I guess that doesn't mean much but still, looks like its in the grand plan. I'm not from PER by the way, so this is not a 'hopeful' post! 
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Thread drift I know.....but why does JStar have so many bases? VB seems to do it with just 3, I dont know how many bases QF has, but it cant be as many as JStar. I await you learned answers.
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Because J* don't do any (many !) overnights....Therefore saving $ on hotels, transport and crew allowance's etc......
VB do anywhere between 4-14 depending on the base....
That could (and will) change with the introducion of the NEW work rules in Jan 08............
VB do anywhere between 4-14 depending on the base....
That could (and will) change with the introducion of the NEW work rules in Jan 08............
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Pleats, yeh it was on the initial bid form when I started too.
Baldy, apparently, jestar worked out that having 2 or more A/C o/nighting somewhere justified a base. I guess all they pay for is an office and some sundries and it gives employees alot more scope for places to live.
Just MHO, of course.
Baldy, apparently, jestar worked out that having 2 or more A/C o/nighting somewhere justified a base. I guess all they pay for is an office and some sundries and it gives employees alot more scope for places to live.
Just MHO, of course.
