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Casper. The A320 has a manufacture's max 180seats + 2 crew can't see how tiger is going to squeeze on a heap more than J* with a 177 seats. 3 extra seats not going to make much difference.
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Based on average fare of $99 those seats are worth $297
x 8sectors a day = $2,376
x 7days a week = $16,632
x 52weeks a year = $864,864
Nearly an extra $1million in potential revenue a year, I wouldn't say no to that!
x 8sectors a day = $2,376
x 7days a week = $16,632
x 52weeks a year = $864,864
Nearly an extra $1million in potential revenue a year, I wouldn't say no to that!
I would be careful holding up Singapore as the "world's most profitable carrier" as they get plenty of help on the tax front from the Singapore Government. Something they seem to forget when they come here complaining that Qantas is propped up by the Australian Government.
As for costs vs Jetstar I cannot see how they can be cheaper than Jetstar. Jetstar's aircraft came through at bargain basement prices thanks to the QF A380 deal even though Dixon said that a few years previous that the 737-800 was a superior aircraft when they had a fly off between the two.
Jetstar uses QF facilities, or they use the common user facilities. Can't see how Tiger will be getting cheaper deals given they are a low volume in comparison to QF/Jetstar and Virgin.
Jetstar pilots are the cheapest in Australia, Flight Attendants are getting paid peanuts so I can't see how they will save much money.
I understand that all these things are flexible and can be negotiated, however for Tiger to offer the prices they are saying, I can't see how they will make any money.
As for costs vs Jetstar I cannot see how they can be cheaper than Jetstar. Jetstar's aircraft came through at bargain basement prices thanks to the QF A380 deal even though Dixon said that a few years previous that the 737-800 was a superior aircraft when they had a fly off between the two.
Jetstar uses QF facilities, or they use the common user facilities. Can't see how Tiger will be getting cheaper deals given they are a low volume in comparison to QF/Jetstar and Virgin.
Jetstar pilots are the cheapest in Australia, Flight Attendants are getting paid peanuts so I can't see how they will save much money.
I understand that all these things are flexible and can be negotiated, however for Tiger to offer the prices they are saying, I can't see how they will make any money.
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Recently flew DRW SIN SGN with Tiger. Not sure what capacity they have on these A320's but leg room was a real struggle, the gf is quite short and she struggled with legroom I'm a smidge under 6 foot and would of been buggered without having a spare seat between us.
As a comparison to JQ Domestic JQ have a lot more comfort and legroom. Also the TR F/A's are more hardcore trying to sell inflight.
Flew back SGN SYD on the JQ A330 and was quite happy very good legroom, sure you had to pay for everything but when you pay bugger all for the flight I wasn't overly concerned with this. Oh and nice friendly F/A's
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As a comparison to JQ Domestic JQ have a lot more comfort and legroom. Also the TR F/A's are more hardcore trying to sell inflight.
Flew back SGN SYD on the JQ A330 and was quite happy very good legroom, sure you had to pay for everything but when you pay bugger all for the flight I wasn't overly concerned with this. Oh and nice friendly F/A's
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Hi Neville
Always enjoy your posts.
Agree completely with your last statement - can't see how they can make money.
The idea is to LOSE as little as possible but establish the beachhead for SQ to head off in whatever direction(s) they so choose, THAT's when they'll make money.
If they ever do get on the Pacific routes the level of service they provide will cause QF one hell of a headache; time will tell regarding VB Intl, doubt thay have any real idea of what their In Flight Service will be and any plans they have now will be revamped many times before any 777's are in the air.
Like pornstar the tiger operation will be well supported by the parent companies and the figures in the books Vs the day to day reality of their operational costs will be two very different and incompatible sets of figures.
They know that, we know that, they know that we know and the general public doesn't give a stuff - all they want are the cheapest seat costs and don't care what lies, distortions, half truths etc are trotted out to achieve the result.
If nobody else would be nice to think the ATO at least would be interested in how the figures are put together!
Always enjoy your posts.
Agree completely with your last statement - can't see how they can make money.
The idea is to LOSE as little as possible but establish the beachhead for SQ to head off in whatever direction(s) they so choose, THAT's when they'll make money.
If they ever do get on the Pacific routes the level of service they provide will cause QF one hell of a headache; time will tell regarding VB Intl, doubt thay have any real idea of what their In Flight Service will be and any plans they have now will be revamped many times before any 777's are in the air.
Like pornstar the tiger operation will be well supported by the parent companies and the figures in the books Vs the day to day reality of their operational costs will be two very different and incompatible sets of figures.
They know that, we know that, they know that we know and the general public doesn't give a stuff - all they want are the cheapest seat costs and don't care what lies, distortions, half truths etc are trotted out to achieve the result.
If nobody else would be nice to think the ATO at least would be interested in how the figures are put together!
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Tiger Oz pilots are in training in SIN
A small group of Australian pilots are right now going thru the motions of Tiger training.(they can't be the only future OZ tiger pilots as there is'nt enough of them) As far as I have heard, the only pay negotiations agreed on are the training wage while living in SIN. I think Tiger wanted these trainees to get some flying under Tiger SOPs while in SIN but it is proving difficult to get around the Singapore Air Leg rules.
These trainees will be in SIN for the next 3 to how ever many months it takes to get Tiger OZ of the ground.
A small group of Australian pilots are right now going thru the motions of Tiger training.(they can't be the only future OZ tiger pilots as there is'nt enough of them) As far as I have heard, the only pay negotiations agreed on are the training wage while living in SIN. I think Tiger wanted these trainees to get some flying under Tiger SOPs while in SIN but it is proving difficult to get around the Singapore Air Leg rules.
These trainees will be in SIN for the next 3 to how ever many months it takes to get Tiger OZ of the ground.
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Nev, Gald, and Wing;
Why are your collective "expert" opinions so negative and derogatory?
Bolty
"I think Tiger wanted these trainees to get some flying under Tiger SOPs while in SIN but it is proving difficult to get around the Singapore Air Leg rules."
How does something you think become fact? I do believe the 5 or 6 ex-Ansett A320 Captains, (who have been flying long-haul widebodies all over the planet since the AN demise) and have all well and truely checked out, may take umbrage to your "opinion". BTW, SGD18,000pm is pretty good "training pay"
What is your problem boys? Does the thought of another 500- 600 airline pilot jobs in OZ (@200k pa) being created by SIA upset you that much??
Why are your collective "expert" opinions so negative and derogatory?
Bolty
"I think Tiger wanted these trainees to get some flying under Tiger SOPs while in SIN but it is proving difficult to get around the Singapore Air Leg rules."
How does something you think become fact? I do believe the 5 or 6 ex-Ansett A320 Captains, (who have been flying long-haul widebodies all over the planet since the AN demise) and have all well and truely checked out, may take umbrage to your "opinion". BTW, SGD18,000pm is pretty good "training pay"
What is your problem boys? Does the thought of another 500- 600 airline pilot jobs in OZ (@200k pa) being created by SIA upset you that much??
Not trying to be derogatory and certainly no expert in business, just interested in how they propose to do this. I have a passing interest in economics and finance and just curious to how all these LCC make money.
Again anyone in the know I am interested in hearing an explanation. My mates in the finance game don't know much about aviation.
The reason I say this is that GD seems to harp on about keeping the cost base down in all areas etc etc. So even if Tiger had the same cost base as everyone else but paid the pilots more (by a significant amount) how are they going to make money? One way I suppose is if the entire market grew and all airlines were 90% full all the time. However given that the Australian population is pretty small I doubt that it can support all 4 airlines.
Again anyone in the know I am interested in hearing an explanation. My mates in the finance game don't know much about aviation.
The reason I say this is that GD seems to harp on about keeping the cost base down in all areas etc etc. So even if Tiger had the same cost base as everyone else but paid the pilots more (by a significant amount) how are they going to make money? One way I suppose is if the entire market grew and all airlines were 90% full all the time. However given that the Australian population is pretty small I doubt that it can support all 4 airlines.
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Type rated Captains a plenty, including a couple ex J*.
I believe the training up in Singas is for the benefit of newly rated ef ohs. Wether they migrate back to OZ or not for launch is yet to be seen.
I believe the training up in Singas is for the benefit of newly rated ef ohs. Wether they migrate back to OZ or not for launch is yet to be seen.
Nunc est bibendum
What is SQ up to?
Of course they're not interested in hooking up with QF at the moment....it's way over priced. I reckon they're out to nobble QF to the stage where SQ can become the 'saviours'. It's not a bad strategy either from their perspective.
Of course QF isn't putting up much of a defence at the moment!
Of course they're not interested in hooking up with QF at the moment....it's way over priced. I reckon they're out to nobble QF to the stage where SQ can become the 'saviours'. It's not a bad strategy either from their perspective.
Of course QF isn't putting up much of a defence at the moment!
Unome,
Don't get me wrong. I hope Tiger's plan do end up in many high paid jobs for pilots in AUS.
My comments reflect the contrast of the corporate landscape that exists between Singapore and Australia.
Don't get me wrong. I hope Tiger's plan do end up in many high paid jobs for pilots in AUS.
My comments reflect the contrast of the corporate landscape that exists between Singapore and Australia.
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"Melbourne Age" Wed
Tiger Airways announces domestic route
June 27, 2007 - 2:59PM
Melburnians will be able to fly to Darwin for $80 one way with Tiger Airways as the low cost carrier announced it would begin domestic flights on the route from December.
Tiger chief executive Tony Davis made the announcement which marks the official start of the Singapore Airlines-backed carrier's assault on the Australian domestic market.
Up until now Tiger has refused to reveal when its domestic services would start or where it would fly despite announcing Melbourne as its home base almost two months ago.
Mr Davis said the one way tickets for the Melbourne to Darwin route, which have gone on sale today, would cost $79.99 inclusive of all taxes and charges and would commence on December 1.
"Tiger Airways is pleased to offer our first domestic route, linking our home base of Melbourne and our international gateway of Darwin, with one-way prices of less than half of the advertised fare of our competitors," he said. "Darwin has long suffered from a lack of affordable domestic air fares and this new service by Tiger Airways, with our true low, low fares, will be welcomed by both travellers and the tourism industry alike."
Tiger will also offer Flight Combo fares between Melbourne and Singapore for $499 return inclusive of taxes and charges.
Mr Davis said all fares offered on Tiger's domestic services can be changed online up to four hours prior to departure for $10, plus the difference in any fare.
He said Tiger would be adding further routes to its domestic network over the coming weeks.
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Tiger Airways announces domestic route
June 27, 2007 - 2:59PM
Melburnians will be able to fly to Darwin for $80 one way with Tiger Airways as the low cost carrier announced it would begin domestic flights on the route from December.
Tiger chief executive Tony Davis made the announcement which marks the official start of the Singapore Airlines-backed carrier's assault on the Australian domestic market.
Up until now Tiger has refused to reveal when its domestic services would start or where it would fly despite announcing Melbourne as its home base almost two months ago.
Mr Davis said the one way tickets for the Melbourne to Darwin route, which have gone on sale today, would cost $79.99 inclusive of all taxes and charges and would commence on December 1.
"Tiger Airways is pleased to offer our first domestic route, linking our home base of Melbourne and our international gateway of Darwin, with one-way prices of less than half of the advertised fare of our competitors," he said. "Darwin has long suffered from a lack of affordable domestic air fares and this new service by Tiger Airways, with our true low, low fares, will be welcomed by both travellers and the tourism industry alike."
Tiger will also offer Flight Combo fares between Melbourne and Singapore for $499 return inclusive of taxes and charges.
Mr Davis said all fares offered on Tiger's domestic services can be changed online up to four hours prior to departure for $10, plus the difference in any fare.
He said Tiger would be adding further routes to its domestic network over the coming weeks.
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[QUOTE Jetstar pilots are the cheapest in Australia, Flight Attendants are getting paid peanuts so I can't see how they will save much money.]
JQ FA's aren't exactly eating beans and sprouts.... We may not make as much as the overnighting brigades but I can still have a bottle of vino in the comfort of my own home. Life is good
JQ FA's aren't exactly eating beans and sprouts.... We may not make as much as the overnighting brigades but I can still have a bottle of vino in the comfort of my own home. Life is good
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Can anyone confirm/deny the rumour of a hefty bond AND paying for part of the rating with Tiger 
Also with the amount of hirees they supposedly have already, still no mention of pay etc ?
Also with the amount of hirees they supposedly have already, still no mention of pay etc ?
If they try and put a bond on a type your already rated and current on, well, I can't imagine the 30-40 Jet* pilots who are looking will now look too hard!
T& C's STILL in the works! Should have been up considering the VB EBA is over.
T& C's STILL in the works! Should have been up considering the VB EBA is over.
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Last week Tiger was offering fares Darwin to Singapore for $30 AUD. Unfortunately I missed out and had to pay $129 a few days later........still not bad. I'll easily miss out on a few meals if it meaans I get an affordable holiday with my family every year. Bring it on!