Eagle Air to advertise for Direct Entry Captains
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Eagle Air to advertise for Direct Entry Captains
Next week should see adverts running for DEC's at Eagle Air.
Industry movement is such that the company is short of co-pilots who meet the requirements for command upgrades, wether it be ATPL subjects and /or flight requirements.
Info as informed by Flt ops managment to a base meeting last night.
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Industry movement is such that the company is short of co-pilots who meet the requirements for command upgrades, wether it be ATPL subjects and /or flight requirements.
Info as informed by Flt ops managment to a base meeting last night.
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Who would want to apply!!!
Anybody with the necessary requirements would surely be doing something more rewarding.........like sticking ones appendages in a vat of boiling fat!
Anybody with the necessary requirements would surely be doing something more rewarding.........like sticking ones appendages in a vat of boiling fat!
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If it's 4 day interview process for an Astranaut..whoops I meant F/O, what's in stall for il Capitano?
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Nasa just fired a couple Shuttle drivers........
Did Flight Ops Management say anything about addressing the real problem and overhauling the training dept that is failing 80 odd percent of the command candidates??? Surely not THAT many pilots are THAT short on the skill/experience required.
Did Flight Ops Management say anything about addressing the real problem and overhauling the training dept that is failing 80 odd percent of the command candidates??? Surely not THAT many pilots are THAT short on the skill/experience required.
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Empire Building alive and well at Eagle then?
Capt. On Heat has very valid point there. If all the F/O's at Eagle passed the bells & whistles interview process then the company is endorsing them as potential commanders given time on type and experience.
So why then does it turn around and fail 80% of it's upgrade candidates? Either the interview process is a waste of time and there to justify someones position or the training deptartment is a failure?
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Capt. On Heat has very valid point there. If all the F/O's at Eagle passed the bells & whistles interview process then the company is endorsing them as potential commanders given time on type and experience.
So why then does it turn around and fail 80% of it's upgrade candidates? Either the interview process is a waste of time and there to justify someones position or the training deptartment is a failure?
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Capt Eagle $48K NZDs.
Quote "big buddah":
If any of you Eagle boys want to come to Africa and earn some real money let me know. We're short of 1900 crew.
PM me .
Where in Africa? NAC, AEA, SOL, with either of these?:
B1900's On contract/Tour Mumbai/ I am "told" USD's $8K month. plus housing.
In NZ two pilot in a SINGLE PILOT A/C, how can the F/O's log time? I guess the only place it is recognised is in NZ?
My mates Daughter had a interview with Eagle, then they chopped her, after her ride, because she OVER SHOT THE INBOUND in "strongish winds".
From what I gather, a check Capt, A training Capt, and a bunch of F/O's taking turns. What ever happened to One on One?
I thought this practice of "FEAR MONGERING" had passed in NZ, but apparently not.
A big ask of anyone at that experiance level, with no established Time=Feel on type.
To her and others like her that have suffered the same, put it behind you, it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
If you want to spend your flying Career in NZ then go the Eagle way:
If you want to do well and "expand" your flying career, get a start by putting your pack on your back, book a Airline ticket, and travel, and knock on some doors.
My young Niece working at Burger King: $30.5K per Annum.
You go figure!
H/Snort.
If any of you Eagle boys want to come to Africa and earn some real money let me know. We're short of 1900 crew.
PM me .
Where in Africa? NAC, AEA, SOL, with either of these?:
B1900's On contract/Tour Mumbai/ I am "told" USD's $8K month. plus housing.
In NZ two pilot in a SINGLE PILOT A/C, how can the F/O's log time? I guess the only place it is recognised is in NZ?
My mates Daughter had a interview with Eagle, then they chopped her, after her ride, because she OVER SHOT THE INBOUND in "strongish winds".
From what I gather, a check Capt, A training Capt, and a bunch of F/O's taking turns. What ever happened to One on One?
I thought this practice of "FEAR MONGERING" had passed in NZ, but apparently not.
A big ask of anyone at that experiance level, with no established Time=Feel on type.
To her and others like her that have suffered the same, put it behind you, it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
If you want to spend your flying Career in NZ then go the Eagle way:
If you want to do well and "expand" your flying career, get a start by putting your pack on your back, book a Airline ticket, and travel, and knock on some doors.
My young Niece working at Burger King: $30.5K per Annum.
You go figure!
H/Snort.
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For company to have a 80% failure rate for command upgrades, doesn't speak very highly of the culture of the Check and Training organisation. Such a failure rate indicates that the organisation has no training ability, training is required before checking can occur. In Australia, it is now referred as Training and Checking for that very reason.
If a organisation employs F/O's with the intent to upgrade them to Captains in the future, then the training should start right from initial appointment. In my experience over many years I have found that most people can be check pilots, but few can be both Training and Checking pilots.
With a 80% failure rate, the organisation needs a very in depth audit by the regulator, as it would appear ther could be serious problems in the culture.
If a organisation employs F/O's with the intent to upgrade them to Captains in the future, then the training should start right from initial appointment. In my experience over many years I have found that most people can be check pilots, but few can be both Training and Checking pilots.
With a 80% failure rate, the organisation needs a very in depth audit by the regulator, as it would appear ther could be serious problems in the culture.
Don't you guy's see what's going on here.
The new recruits and the majority of the command upgrade candidates have very little multi-command IFR experience. It's not their fault, they have become victims of management policy and shotsightetness.
The previous experience requirement that applied not only to this organisation, but to a large number of other 2nd and 3rd level operators was put in place to ensure the integrity of the flight ops safety standards.
We now have a serious shortage of experienced pilots. As such the calibre of candidate is generally less than what had been enjoyed in previous years. Is it any wonder that they are failing?
Management wordlwide are almost pathelogical in their resistance to what needs to be done to retain experienced staff.
The attitude that "we are only a stepping stone" or "how can we compete with the larger carriers" is no more than an excuse. Pay people well and offer them a decent lifestyle, and you would be surprised at the result.
So what do they do, Lower minimums to a level where there pilots are effectively substandard. If they do not water down the check criteria, then people will continue to fail, and fail they must. As I said not the candidate's fault, but the reality is they are not a suitable candidate.
I believe that the check department are simply applying the standards. They are resisting going easy on these guys and girls out of a real sense of duty. Something management probably have no idea about.
The new recruits and the majority of the command upgrade candidates have very little multi-command IFR experience. It's not their fault, they have become victims of management policy and shotsightetness.
The previous experience requirement that applied not only to this organisation, but to a large number of other 2nd and 3rd level operators was put in place to ensure the integrity of the flight ops safety standards.
We now have a serious shortage of experienced pilots. As such the calibre of candidate is generally less than what had been enjoyed in previous years. Is it any wonder that they are failing?
Management wordlwide are almost pathelogical in their resistance to what needs to be done to retain experienced staff.
The attitude that "we are only a stepping stone" or "how can we compete with the larger carriers" is no more than an excuse. Pay people well and offer them a decent lifestyle, and you would be surprised at the result.
So what do they do, Lower minimums to a level where there pilots are effectively substandard. If they do not water down the check criteria, then people will continue to fail, and fail they must. As I said not the candidate's fault, but the reality is they are not a suitable candidate.
I believe that the check department are simply applying the standards. They are resisting going easy on these guys and girls out of a real sense of duty. Something management probably have no idea about.
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Some good points Krusty..but then
They aren't resisting, they are protecting/building their own little club/empire within the company, and woe betide if anyone questions their "methods" or results.
I've seen the same thing happen in other airlines training departments..it is more common than you think.
An 80% failure rate is a failure of the training department, NOT a failure or lack of quality of candidate..its THAT simple
I believe that the check department are simply applying the standards. They are resisting going easy on these guys and girls out of a real sense of duty. Something management probably have no idea about.
I've seen the same thing happen in other airlines training departments..it is more common than you think.
An 80% failure rate is a failure of the training department, NOT a failure or lack of quality of candidate..its THAT simple
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While some of your points are valid, you are missing the bit that the checkers aren't doing sufficient training to ensure the candidate upgrades are going to make the standard.
I have seen this before and have checked failed candidates as part of a quality assurance program, to find that giving the candidate some additional training in the areas deficient, that they have passed without many dramas and have become good reliable Captains.
One also finds that applying the same standards to the black & white to the book checkers usually results in a fail because they cant think outside the square. Its that old adage, don't ask some one to do something unless you can do it within tolerance.
While some of your points are valid, you are missing the bit that the checkers aren't doing sufficient training to ensure the candidate upgrades are going to make the standard.
I have seen this before and have checked failed candidates as part of a quality assurance program, to find that giving the candidate some additional training in the areas deficient, that they have passed without many dramas and have become good reliable Captains.
One also finds that applying the same standards to the black & white to the book checkers usually results in a fail because they cant think outside the square. Its that old adage, don't ask some one to do something unless you can do it within tolerance.
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Lets face it, More than 80% of pilots out there can command a 1900. It simply cant be that hard, so why are 80% of candidates failing? Cr@p system thats why. Simple.
Some of these "seniors" at Eagle must be pretty bitter and twisted.
Oh dude I almost fell off my chair laughing with that one.
Perhaps one day Eagle can apply some realistic entry criteria, great training, and quaility training and checking, and surprise surprise some of their problems with attracting good staff that can pass their upgrades may just vanish.
I think with regards to training departments they get out of their pilots what they put in.
Some of these "seniors" at Eagle must be pretty bitter and twisted.
Anybody with the necessary requirements would surely be doing something more rewarding.........like sticking ones appendages in a vat of boiling fat!
Perhaps one day Eagle can apply some realistic entry criteria, great training, and quaility training and checking, and surprise surprise some of their problems with attracting good staff that can pass their upgrades may just vanish.
I think with regards to training departments they get out of their pilots what they put in.
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In NZ two pilot in a SINGLE PILOT A/C, how can the F/O's log time? I guess the only place it is recognised is in NZ?