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" Maybe with a few of the pilots who are overly self interested gone"
Hey!! I resemble that
" We can't do any worse than our friends in Jokestar etc "
Mate, we've had this discussion before, but NJS has a fair way to go to get up to Jet* conditions
Hey!! I resemble that
" We can't do any worse than our friends in Jokestar etc "
Mate, we've had this discussion before, but NJS has a fair way to go to get up to Jet* conditions
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from little things big things grow ,from one member to 100 in a few weeks says it all and if we keep the unity which i know is very hard in this game we can succeed we dont need the suit and we dont need the blue singlet maybe the number 11 steel caps might come in handy but we will leave that to last option stay tuned soon things will start to get a bit uncomfortable for the shiney bums and so it should this is a good union with very strong traditions and can achieve anything providing njs boys and girls stick
Hey Hoffer, throw in a couple of these "," and a few of these "." and you might find it easier to breathe. We may also find it easier to comprehend what you are trying to say. 
Eventually all the muscular, articulate, aggressive or persuasive representations from the TWU to NJS can be ignored by NJS management UNLESS there is an ...or else...behind them. Always has been true, always will be. The only reason the TWU are seen as strong is that their members have always been prepared to well, you know, that word, s t r i k e.
What are the NJS guys prepared to do?
What are the NJS guys prepared to do?
Get the refuellers behind the pilots! Surely they would be TWU members. No fuel for NJS aircraft if the pilots decide to strike...can't bring in ringers to fly their aircraft with no go juice. 
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Too Little too late, as usual most pilots are a bunch of conservative wimps and they get what they deserve, this should have happened years ago. Good luck to them , who cares about the law you damn strike when you want, its nothing about the law it's about grinding companies to a halt, and it always will be. Illegal or not if everyone did it the company withers, so you need to be united to bring them to their knees, I hope you NJS pilots are otherwise dont bother. And yeah bag me but I dont care, I live by values and I am revelling in it! haha!!
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What nonsense to talk of strike action. Nothing learned from 1989 ? The only pilots with the balls to strike would be those who are financially so independent they would not give a toss about the consequences - legal, financial, career, whatever. The rest even if they were not around in 1989 have enough history on this to know it did not work then and would have even less chance of success now.
A far better course of action and perfectly legal is to work strictly to rule. Light bulb blown in Outer Hicksville? - put it in the tech log. Check every document on the airplane when accepting it - could take two hours to be sure that it's all in order. A nick in a mainwheel tire - better get an airframe engineer out on Sunday to look at it. All in the name of safety, of course, so the legal people would not take you on. Written report to CASA at the 1st sign of pressure. Go on current affairs TV and bag the crap out of the company if any safety issues need airing. Fatigue would be a good start.
And leave the phone off the hook when not rostered on standby, refuse callouts no matter what the financial incentive, make it next to impossible for ops to contact you with roster changes. So many legal ways without the old suicide by strike act.
A far better course of action and perfectly legal is to work strictly to rule. Light bulb blown in Outer Hicksville? - put it in the tech log. Check every document on the airplane when accepting it - could take two hours to be sure that it's all in order. A nick in a mainwheel tire - better get an airframe engineer out on Sunday to look at it. All in the name of safety, of course, so the legal people would not take you on. Written report to CASA at the 1st sign of pressure. Go on current affairs TV and bag the crap out of the company if any safety issues need airing. Fatigue would be a good start.
And leave the phone off the hook when not rostered on standby, refuse callouts no matter what the financial incentive, make it next to impossible for ops to contact you with roster changes. So many legal ways without the old suicide by strike act.
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Further to what Gas Camber has pointed out, there are also new parameters by which stiking can occur.
There was a road work crew, building a railway ?, that went on strike, under the new legislation it was deemed an illegal strike, so the company took the union and indiviuals to court to recover the loss of income and down time. All told each employee was slugged with a mid to high $20K fine.
No more favours, that is the best way to grease the management pole, it's a slippery slide from there, you will see some desperate actions taken by your "shiny bums" then, before you know it you've got them in court with them getting the pineapple, it is an election year remember.
Don't skip meal breaks to get back on schedule times, if there is a single cloud in the sky shoot approaches at every opportunity, i'm sure there are more, but management need to know that compromise is a two way street.
There was a road work crew, building a railway ?, that went on strike, under the new legislation it was deemed an illegal strike, so the company took the union and indiviuals to court to recover the loss of income and down time. All told each employee was slugged with a mid to high $20K fine.
No more favours, that is the best way to grease the management pole, it's a slippery slide from there, you will see some desperate actions taken by your "shiny bums" then, before you know it you've got them in court with them getting the pineapple, it is an election year remember.
Don't skip meal breaks to get back on schedule times, if there is a single cloud in the sky shoot approaches at every opportunity, i'm sure there are more, but management need to know that compromise is a two way street.
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I also agree with Messers, Chamber and SDT, bugger strikes, these days you can be creative with industrial action as well as not being overt. Find out which managers are your main bugbears, find out what they get bonused for and target them, all legally and by that wonderfully explicit book. Be discerning in your action and hurt in ways that show power but don't decimate. Your intention is not to destroy the company, it's to get treated better in your job.
Timing is critical also, make sure if people are leaving, they leave en mass. Most importantly let managers know why things are happening and give them the ability to bargain out. Don't build big walls and keep your requirements reasonable and work towards resolution. Sometimes in serious disputes people lose sight of intention and get all keen on destruction. They get into ego battles which don't help anyone.
Good luck people and I'm glad I'm not dealing with "the buckets only so deep" CIA anymore.
Timing is critical also, make sure if people are leaving, they leave en mass. Most importantly let managers know why things are happening and give them the ability to bargain out. Don't build big walls and keep your requirements reasonable and work towards resolution. Sometimes in serious disputes people lose sight of intention and get all keen on destruction. They get into ego battles which don't help anyone.
Good luck people and I'm glad I'm not dealing with "the buckets only so deep" CIA anymore.
I certainly wasn't suggesting a strike, we all know they are generally illegal. I was pointing out that without some threat to the continued smooth running of operations there is no reason for management to move from their previous position.
With regard to work to rule, go slow etc a friend in engineering tells me that they are already operating this way, the engineers that is, and have been for some time.
With regard to work to rule, go slow etc a friend in engineering tells me that they are already operating this way, the engineers that is, and have been for some time.
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The engineers are not working to rule it just that almost 50% of them have left the company in Perth. With more to come I suspect if rumours are to be believed
The idiot management have replaced them with a few lames (without relevent type ratings) and a whole swag of ame's, most of whom are as green as grass.
Oh the joys of AWA's
The engineers are not working to rule it just that almost 50% of them have left the company in Perth. With more to come I suspect if rumours are to be believed
The idiot management have replaced them with a few lames (without relevent type ratings) and a whole swag of ame's, most of whom are as green as grass.
Oh the joys of AWA's
The goss around town indicates that the TWU has applied for a bargaining period for around 30ish NJS pilots who's AWA's have already expired and that will increase dramatically 30 June when most of them expire!
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Rumour has it, Pilot members in NJS is over 100 now.
Apparently Skywest and the RFDS pilots are also members in the majority as well, would really like to know why ?.
In most part Pilots view the present organisations with apathy ?, is this the change that was needed to turn things around ?.
Come on TWU, what is it that you are selling that so many appear interested in and to date satisifed with ?.
Apparently Skywest and the RFDS pilots are also members in the majority as well, would really like to know why ?.
In most part Pilots view the present organisations with apathy ?, is this the change that was needed to turn things around ?.
Come on TWU, what is it that you are selling that so many appear interested in and to date satisifed with ?.
They know lots of dirty tricks probably, as discussed above. The only way to extract leverage is to fight dirty, management have set the bar at all companies so now it is time to repay the favour. Accountants do not see good will towards the company on a balance sheet but operations certainly see the lack of it when people go sick or will not be called in or stop accepting late changes or MEL items. VB has actually had to cancel routes as a direct result. How do you measure that good will? The VB marketing people try to sell it but it dried up about two years ago...at least.
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W.O.G said
I think you are on to something there. The trouble is, too many financial officers are awarded bonuses for reducing costs. i.e. wages/conditions.
The status quo in most Australian companies is: corporate profits and share price go up, wages/conditions go down.
viva la revolution
Find out which managers are your main bugbears, find out what they get bonused for
The status quo in most Australian companies is: corporate profits and share price go up, wages/conditions go down.
viva la revolution