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I'm glad you bought that up turkee, I never saw more than 30 or 40 pax and that was doing the milk run!
If it was doing so well then why the hell would they have pulled out.
Same old same old in WA ( Wait Awhile ), when we started there back in '94 and Ansett had everything tied up, Qlink probably averaged well below 50% loads, now XR just doing more of the same.
If it was doing so well then why the hell would they have pulled out.
Same old same old in WA ( Wait Awhile ), when we started there back in '94 and Ansett had everything tied up, Qlink probably averaged well below 50% loads, now XR just doing more of the same.
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Virgin and XR parked next to each other, normal for bays 18/19/20, which ever one gets the tug/dispatch/pushback will block the other until they taxi, then the delayed other taxiing A/C pass behind then the second one gets a push.
That end of the tarmac is crap at the best of times, worse at 0600, 40 mins from ready to push to airborne is one case I was involved in. Stuffs up the day it does.
Skywest have survived in spite of Ansett going gutz up, going from 60 pilots in 2005 to 100 pilots in 2007/2008 seems to be moving OK as Mustard says.
There always were a core of great people in Flt Ops, getting their heads around the expansion in spite of some percieved Corporate disasters, some new hires getting F-50 commands in short times Industry wise.
They, along with others on Perth, will have their work cut out to get suitable people to fill the slots needed to do the plans they have.
Knock them if you wish, join them if you wish, world is not going to stop either way.
That end of the tarmac is crap at the best of times, worse at 0600, 40 mins from ready to push to airborne is one case I was involved in. Stuffs up the day it does.
Skywest have survived in spite of Ansett going gutz up, going from 60 pilots in 2005 to 100 pilots in 2007/2008 seems to be moving OK as Mustard says.
There always were a core of great people in Flt Ops, getting their heads around the expansion in spite of some percieved Corporate disasters, some new hires getting F-50 commands in short times Industry wise.
They, along with others on Perth, will have their work cut out to get suitable people to fill the slots needed to do the plans they have.
Knock them if you wish, join them if you wish, world is not going to stop either way.
Turkee:
Didnt realise their loads were that crap, the way people talk their flights were always full. I did know that woodside supported them.
But all the major companys as you said have contracts with QF, and most people get free flights up here and fly with QF to get those FF points and just to fly "Qantas".
But then Skywest done something that everyone is doing in Karratha at the moment leaving town, its starting to implode on its self now. Everythings closing down. Cinema, Chicken Treat (drive through is open when they feel like it) and many small businesses have closed up
Didnt realise their loads were that crap, the way people talk their flights were always full. I did know that woodside supported them.
But all the major companys as you said have contracts with QF, and most people get free flights up here and fly with QF to get those FF points and just to fly "Qantas".
But then Skywest done something that everyone is doing in Karratha at the moment leaving town, its starting to implode on its self now. Everythings closing down. Cinema, Chicken Treat (drive through is open when they feel like it) and many small businesses have closed up
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What has XR done lately?
They have increased BME-PER, KNX-PER, BME-DWN, and when DJ pulled the PER-BME flights for May for 170 training reasons, they temporarily put on an additional 2 flights per week BME-PER.
When the tender was out for the coastal routes, those destinations and their shires lobbied to have their excellent (their words not mine) services retained.
Certainly I have no complaints from my flights on their F50 or F100.
They compete in an enviroment that includes QF, undoubtedly one of the greatest Airlines in the world and DJ a new, well run, strong, cost efficient, profitable airline. Holding your own in that league is tough, but they have done better and expanded.
Do not bother about CVs tell me what company have you owned or was CEO for, which matches their performance?
When the tender was out for the coastal routes, those destinations and their shires lobbied to have their excellent (their words not mine) services retained.
Certainly I have no complaints from my flights on their F50 or F100.
They compete in an enviroment that includes QF, undoubtedly one of the greatest Airlines in the world and DJ a new, well run, strong, cost efficient, profitable airline. Holding your own in that league is tough, but they have done better and expanded.
Do not bother about CVs tell me what company have you owned or was CEO for, which matches their performance?
quote xeptu - "How come you havn't looked at the obvious routes like, Perth - Yulara - Cairns. NJS has that one all to themselves"
Have you considered who owns Yulara airport and what agreements have been made to keep other operators out (ie pax tax etc..)? I don't think it's as simple as one day walking into work and saying, I think we'll operate perth - yulara because that seems like an obvious choice.
Have you considered who owns Yulara airport and what agreements have been made to keep other operators out (ie pax tax etc..)? I don't think it's as simple as one day walking into work and saying, I think we'll operate perth - yulara because that seems like an obvious choice.
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Flew XR PH-KA last year before they pulled out. There was only 6 passengers including myself.
I have seen less passengers on board than that too! I can count on my hand the number of fullish flights I saw boarding!
They were terribly unreliable, sometimes they just would never show up!
As for the inflight product, fantastic. Good meal plenty of legroom.
Their terminal crew in KTA was fantastic, full credit to them, they did a great job in trying circumstances!!
Miners also liked using their frequent fliers for the Qantas Lounge and getting upgraded.
I have seen less passengers on board than that too! I can count on my hand the number of fullish flights I saw boarding!
They were terribly unreliable, sometimes they just would never show up!
As for the inflight product, fantastic. Good meal plenty of legroom.
Their terminal crew in KTA was fantastic, full credit to them, they did a great job in trying circumstances!!
Miners also liked using their frequent fliers for the Qantas Lounge and getting upgraded.
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hard to operate into a port where 95% of traffic is tied up with contracts don't you think? i one was to hang on for as long as one could waiting for the "yes we'll sufpport you and send pax your way" but it never happens, until things change you can't oiss money into the wind forever, best re assign your resources I would think. and they did.
They have growing pains and things are runnig a 100% and there is unfortunately little fat from what I hear when things enevitably go bung. always hard with one maint. base. an I know the congestiona perth is ****e. 12 deep and all heading the same way at the same time, not hard to do the maths.
From 5 to 10 and looks like 15 aircraft, might seem small in number but % wise it's a big number and one which counts in my book in these tages. adding say 5 aircraft when you ahve 50 or so isn't as much. One thing I know of from people in there is that they try and try very hard and are very dedicaste proud lot, rare these days. Although it won't happen overnight it will eventually. I hear great plans and initiatives are afoot (be it a bit late off the mark) they will pervail and good on them I say. Other companies are going to feel the pinch soon enough if not already...
good luck to a company that treats it's crews well (no endt, bonds, great life style, etc...)
SP
They have growing pains and things are runnig a 100% and there is unfortunately little fat from what I hear when things enevitably go bung. always hard with one maint. base. an I know the congestiona perth is ****e. 12 deep and all heading the same way at the same time, not hard to do the maths.
From 5 to 10 and looks like 15 aircraft, might seem small in number but % wise it's a big number and one which counts in my book in these tages. adding say 5 aircraft when you ahve 50 or so isn't as much. One thing I know of from people in there is that they try and try very hard and are very dedicaste proud lot, rare these days. Although it won't happen overnight it will eventually. I hear great plans and initiatives are afoot (be it a bit late off the mark) they will pervail and good on them I say. Other companies are going to feel the pinch soon enough if not already...
good luck to a company that treats it's crews well (no endt, bonds, great life style, etc...)
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"5. I would think if I were a gambling man that QF might win that battle. Given the current crew shortages, that might appear to be a better option for existing skywest crew also."
Have you looked into how many Eastern pilots have left to come to Skywest and vice a versa. I think you will find Skywest wins something like 4 to ZERO. So why would Skywest crews even consider moving across.
From recent threads a good indication of morale (and T&C's) at a company is to look at how many pilots are leaving in this so called "pilot shortage". Last year Skywest lost six pilots. 3 to Cathay, 2 to retirement and 1 to 737 command at OZJET. This year only 1 has left to take up a 767 contract in Asia. That to me is a great vote for Skywest. No doubt a few more will leave this year but I will guarantee not one will leave to fly turbo props for any other regional in Aust.
OTP is a huge issue at Skywest at the moment. So much so the company update even reports it. At least there is acknowledgement and a great deal of effort going into working through the problem.
H777
"5. I would think if I were a gambling man that QF might win that battle. Given the current crew shortages, that might appear to be a better option for existing skywest crew also."
Have you looked into how many Eastern pilots have left to come to Skywest and vice a versa. I think you will find Skywest wins something like 4 to ZERO. So why would Skywest crews even consider moving across.
From recent threads a good indication of morale (and T&C's) at a company is to look at how many pilots are leaving in this so called "pilot shortage". Last year Skywest lost six pilots. 3 to Cathay, 2 to retirement and 1 to 737 command at OZJET. This year only 1 has left to take up a 767 contract in Asia. That to me is a great vote for Skywest. No doubt a few more will leave this year but I will guarantee not one will leave to fly turbo props for any other regional in Aust.
OTP is a huge issue at Skywest at the moment. So much so the company update even reports it. At least there is acknowledgement and a great deal of effort going into working through the problem.
H777
H777 I have no doubt what you are saying is correct, which highlights my point in other threads, "There is no shortage of skills in Australia, it's more of a case there is a shortage of skilled people willing to work for $15 per hour"
If you offer the right terms and conditions, look after your staff, in this climate a company would be less effected by the crew shortage facing the Industry.
Historically skywest is a good sound company, morale is good as are the terms and conditions and is therefore "lesser" likely to be effected. I sincerly hope it flourises.
However, that point aside, in the event and I'm not suggesting for a moment that this "will" happen only that it is conceivable that it could. "If" Qantas "not Easterns as it would be more likely to be NJS/Qantas Link anyway, should drop 3 or 4 Q-400's in perth to operate over skywests high yield routes only, that no XR pilot would even bother to apply. A new Q-400 on the same pay, with staff travel, based in perth.
Pilots being what they are, I'm tipping there would be falling over themselves.
Any XR Pilots willing to coment on that.
If you offer the right terms and conditions, look after your staff, in this climate a company would be less effected by the crew shortage facing the Industry.
Historically skywest is a good sound company, morale is good as are the terms and conditions and is therefore "lesser" likely to be effected. I sincerly hope it flourises.
However, that point aside, in the event and I'm not suggesting for a moment that this "will" happen only that it is conceivable that it could. "If" Qantas "not Easterns as it would be more likely to be NJS/Qantas Link anyway, should drop 3 or 4 Q-400's in perth to operate over skywests high yield routes only, that no XR pilot would even bother to apply. A new Q-400 on the same pay, with staff travel, based in perth.
Pilots being what they are, I'm tipping there would be falling over themselves.
Any XR Pilots willing to coment on that.
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Jeez, Renurpp, thats twice I 've had to agree with you this year, will have to stop meeting like this 
Poorly paid, all QF subsiduaries get QF staff travel which is a truck load better than ID90 ( NJS/Qlink not QF sub )
IE:PH-DN ( upgradable to J ) = $190
ID90 with NJS/Qlink via AS = $330 ( last time I used it ) not rubbing your nose in it Renurrp, I did put up with that crap for 12 years
On the subject of PH-AYE-CS, yes NJS/Qlink do well out of it, add another 100seater to the route and no one will make money ( especially during summer )
Poorly paid, all QF subsiduaries get QF staff travel which is a truck load better than ID90 ( NJS/Qlink not QF sub )
IE:PH-DN ( upgradable to J ) = $190
ID90 with NJS/Qlink via AS = $330 ( last time I used it ) not rubbing your nose in it Renurrp, I did put up with that crap for 12 years
On the subject of PH-AYE-CS, yes NJS/Qlink do well out of it, add another 100seater to the route and no one will make money ( especially during summer )
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I am under family pressure to come home to Australia, Perth if possible. I have previously flown F70/100's so Skywest is an obvious choice. A couple of contacts have said that Skywest check and training is like a Gestapo interrogation and that none of the check captains have ever worked for a real airline and will victimize anyone who has. They also said that Skywest has a low turn over of pilots because it too expensive to move the family to the eastern states rather than Skywest being a great place to work, and that many of the senior pilots have had enough and are trying to get into Tiger when it starts up. Could any Skywest people please shed some light, I always enjoyed visits to Perth but do not want to be stuck there having moved from the UK.
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Nice wind up, I'm sure there are some Skywest check and trainers who would take huge offence to that comment.
The main reason people don't leave is because where else in Oz can you earn $130,000 p/a plus allowances as a Jet Capt and only work 59hrs and spend 4 nights away per 28days?
No doubt there are a few guys looking at Oz Tiger as one of their mates, an ex Skywest pilot, is heading up the Training and Checking Dept of Tiger Aust. I would suggest a pay of somewhere in the region of $160,000 would have to be on offer to get them across though.
Nice wind up, I'm sure there are some Skywest check and trainers who would take huge offence to that comment.
The main reason people don't leave is because where else in Oz can you earn $130,000 p/a plus allowances as a Jet Capt and only work 59hrs and spend 4 nights away per 28days?
No doubt there are a few guys looking at Oz Tiger as one of their mates, an ex Skywest pilot, is heading up the Training and Checking Dept of Tiger Aust. I would suggest a pay of somewhere in the region of $160,000 would have to be on offer to get them across though.
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Hawk posted:
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The main reason people don't leave is because where else in Oz can you earn $130,000 p/a plus allowances as a Jet Capt and only work 59hrs and spend 4 nights away per 28days?
From the agreement found at OSIRIS, the pay is as follows for a F100 Pilot. Overtime commences after 59 hours:
Appendix B Pay Scales and duty based allowances.
01 July 2005 - 30 June 2006
Year
of Service First Officer Captain
1st Year $70,200 $108,000
2nd Year $71,175 $109,500
3rd Year $72,150 $111,000
4th Year $73,125 $112,500
5th Year $74,100 $114,000
6th Year $75,075 $115,500
7th Year $76,050 $117,000
8th Year $77,025 $118,500
9th Year $78,000 $120,000
10th Year $78,975 $121,500
So I dont know where you get $130000 from PLUS allowances, if you only work 59 hours per month..
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The main reason people don't leave is because where else in Oz can you earn $130,000 p/a plus allowances as a Jet Capt and only work 59hrs and spend 4 nights away per 28days?
From the agreement found at OSIRIS, the pay is as follows for a F100 Pilot. Overtime commences after 59 hours:
Appendix B Pay Scales and duty based allowances.
01 July 2005 - 30 June 2006
Year
of Service First Officer Captain
1st Year $70,200 $108,000
2nd Year $71,175 $109,500
3rd Year $72,150 $111,000
4th Year $73,125 $112,500
5th Year $74,100 $114,000
6th Year $75,075 $115,500
7th Year $76,050 $117,000
8th Year $77,025 $118,500
9th Year $78,000 $120,000
10th Year $78,975 $121,500
So I dont know where you get $130000 from PLUS allowances, if you only work 59 hours per month..
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JetRacer - I probably got a month ahead of myself. As of 30th June 06 the $121,500 went up 3% to $125,145 and from 30th Jun 07 Capts will be on 3% more again at $128,899 which for me is near enough $130k. PLUS SUPER. I quote the ten year scale as most of the Capt's on the 100 have been around for more than 10 years.
Cunning - Allowances are as per the award. Works out to be about $120 per day so with the current schedule for your one night you'd be looking at approx $200 which is about an extra $9,000 per year.
$180k, if that's true then maybe Skywest might lose a couple of Capt's to Tiger but if that $180k comes with 1000hrs per year maybe not.
Cunning - Allowances are as per the award. Works out to be about $120 per day so with the current schedule for your one night you'd be looking at approx $200 which is about an extra $9,000 per year.
$180k, if that's true then maybe Skywest might lose a couple of Capt's to Tiger but if that $180k comes with 1000hrs per year maybe not.