Skippers to offer pilots 20% pay rise.
Yep they are cetainly exiting
the "skippers" of this world are interesting : treat pilots like crap ; pay like crap ; rosters are crap (what rosters ????) ; and life is generally crap @ skippers.
why would you want to leave such a job : because most player's on the next rung up have a little bit more respect for their employees for starters !!!!!
oh i forgot : they also have real rosters and pay heaps more !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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why would you want to leave such a job : because most player's on the next rung up have a little bit more respect for their employees for starters !!!!!
oh i forgot : they also have real rosters and pay heaps more !!!!!!!!!!!!!
cheers
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EBA's AWA's it doesnt matter when it comes to this situation it does'nt matter Skippers are desperate ATM! This is sweet justice, I hope they reap what they sowed, its so funny now that they are fairly much a GA outfit and everyone else beats them in conditions! lol!! I got so many emails from their recruitment site asking me to apply they really are pathetic!! I slowly ferment in the sweet justice of their misery!
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Virgin hire girls?
Of course they do. But as with a lot of companies, the guys far outnumber the girls (Pilots I mean), even at Skips. And lately I've only heard of guys leaving for other jobs. Maybe the girls are just faring better putting up with the sh!t that goes on there...
Award?! They wouldn't know what that is!!! (In any form)
Award?! They wouldn't know what that is!!! (In any form
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Skippers actually offer pilots 0% pay rise.
I'm sure that most of you wouldn't be suprised to hear that this was just wishful thinking or just plain BS.
I wanted to throw it out their in cyberspace to see what everyones feelings were on the subject. What I did find interesting was that most recomended to leave the company dispite the hypotyhetical pay rise; and as a few pointed out that the 20% pay rise would only have brought the pay in line with past CPI increases anyway.
I am actually following the goings on of a few companies in the industry at the moment. Skippers seem to be one of the worst and attract a lot of responses. Perfect for fishing.
Thankyou for the interesting reading. I hope the pilots there find a new, happy, well paying home somewhere in the near future.
I wanted to throw it out their in cyberspace to see what everyones feelings were on the subject. What I did find interesting was that most recomended to leave the company dispite the hypotyhetical pay rise; and as a few pointed out that the 20% pay rise would only have brought the pay in line with past CPI increases anyway.
I am actually following the goings on of a few companies in the industry at the moment. Skippers seem to be one of the worst and attract a lot of responses. Perfect for fishing.
Thankyou for the interesting reading. I hope the pilots there find a new, happy, well paying home somewhere in the near future.
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F.O's on casual wages after 18 months with the company, pay for training and wear a bond, move yourself to perth at your own cost.
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This seems like a huge beat up, what is so bad about Skippers ?.
Pilots often act like asses when they leave/get sacked from a company, is this the case ?.
What is a Metro Captain paid in the award, $53-54K odd right, don't Skippers pay more than that ?, how is it they deserve this topic ?.
It would appear some of you have defamed this organisation, why, please be specific, how far below the awards on the AFAP website ?.
Bonding is not an unreasonable concept, if any organisation makes an investment in a staff member, it is reasonable to expect some sort of return on the investment.
No one is forcing you to sign a bond.
Whinging about being a casual co-pilot, do you think the industry owes you a job ?, you accepted the job, if you are not happy, find another job, pay out your bond and leave.
Please set me straight, with facts, not with baseless conjecture.
No i do not work for said company.
Pilots often act like asses when they leave/get sacked from a company, is this the case ?.
What is a Metro Captain paid in the award, $53-54K odd right, don't Skippers pay more than that ?, how is it they deserve this topic ?.
It would appear some of you have defamed this organisation, why, please be specific, how far below the awards on the AFAP website ?.
Bonding is not an unreasonable concept, if any organisation makes an investment in a staff member, it is reasonable to expect some sort of return on the investment.
No one is forcing you to sign a bond.
Whinging about being a casual co-pilot, do you think the industry owes you a job ?, you accepted the job, if you are not happy, find another job, pay out your bond and leave.
Please set me straight, with facts, not with baseless conjecture.
No i do not work for said company.
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Very observant, there is not getting much past you is there? 
LRT
if you new skippy or somone working in skippy ie ordinary employees you would know the full story of working their.
i work with loads of "ex" employees and it is abmissal what goes on there.
"bonding" done in a civilised and defined manner not a problem.
"casual pilots" not a problem ; but only when prescribed and defined in writing (ie no constant moving goal posts).
"rex" salary rates fine not a problem but "skippy rates" well not too good at all.
awa's well ain't they great for pilots etc.
the list goes "on and on" at skippy.
cheers
dijon moutard
if you new skippy or somone working in skippy ie ordinary employees you would know the full story of working their.
i work with loads of "ex" employees and it is abmissal what goes on there.
"bonding" done in a civilised and defined manner not a problem.
"casual pilots" not a problem ; but only when prescribed and defined in writing (ie no constant moving goal posts).
"rex" salary rates fine not a problem but "skippy rates" well not too good at all.
awa's well ain't they great for pilots etc.
the list goes "on and on" at skippy.
cheers
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Well paid and happy????
I remember a CEO of an airmedical operation commenting "I'd rather see that than to see him broke and unhappy"
Someone had told him that one of the pilots had a second job. (he already had a reasonably well paid full time job)
That CEO was smart.
It was not necessary to have a second job with that organisation (I know, I worked there) but this man obviously wanted more. As long as the fatigue factor was managed there was no problem.
There were no part time employees there, and there was a lot of standby time.
Before that I had "gone bush" because there were hardly any full time flying jobs in the city, and part time "freelance" or contract flying was not paying very well.
Working for "pay by the flying hour" was not working.
Many years later I was on the other side of the fence and emloyed pilots and filled gaps by hiring casual pilots paid by the flying hour as stipulated in the pilots (GA) award. Soon I found that this was not working very well either. Casual pilots could not rely on a regular income from regular flying, and I could not rely on the availability of pilots when I needed them.
Casual pilots are, too often "broke and unhappy" and the smart ones are soon gone. But the "obscene lottery" that airline recruiting has become keeps amny of them trying, even though they are angry and unhappy. You just need to read Prune to see that.
In today's climate, full time GA jobs are not common, even out bush. Most are paid by the hour. So happy GA pilots are not common. It seems that happy regional airline pilots are not common.
And this is now affecting regional airlines, and sneaking into the major airlines. There is not really a difference. Flying is flying, and ALL commercial flying including most Australian GA needs stable, reliable, well paid, happy pilots who work long and hard at making things better. You do not get this with temporary pilots, who are paid by the hour (sometimes), or are paying to fly.
I believe we have already paid a very high price in human lives for not treating small aeroplanes as seriously as we should.
People are talking about a pilot shortage, and there will be some movement soon. But our flying schools can train newbies much faster than they are needed, and there are many waiting in the pool of potential airline pilots. So the shortage if there is one will be of experienced prop pilots, and there will be another flood of young hopefuls.
That does not fix the problem. We need a change in how the airlines recruit and train thier new pilots.
I hope some of those who have been waiting for years will get to be well paid and happy.
Someone had told him that one of the pilots had a second job. (he already had a reasonably well paid full time job)
That CEO was smart.
It was not necessary to have a second job with that organisation (I know, I worked there) but this man obviously wanted more. As long as the fatigue factor was managed there was no problem.
There were no part time employees there, and there was a lot of standby time.
Before that I had "gone bush" because there were hardly any full time flying jobs in the city, and part time "freelance" or contract flying was not paying very well.
Working for "pay by the flying hour" was not working.
Many years later I was on the other side of the fence and emloyed pilots and filled gaps by hiring casual pilots paid by the flying hour as stipulated in the pilots (GA) award. Soon I found that this was not working very well either. Casual pilots could not rely on a regular income from regular flying, and I could not rely on the availability of pilots when I needed them.
Casual pilots are, too often "broke and unhappy" and the smart ones are soon gone. But the "obscene lottery" that airline recruiting has become keeps amny of them trying, even though they are angry and unhappy. You just need to read Prune to see that.
In today's climate, full time GA jobs are not common, even out bush. Most are paid by the hour. So happy GA pilots are not common. It seems that happy regional airline pilots are not common.
And this is now affecting regional airlines, and sneaking into the major airlines. There is not really a difference. Flying is flying, and ALL commercial flying including most Australian GA needs stable, reliable, well paid, happy pilots who work long and hard at making things better. You do not get this with temporary pilots, who are paid by the hour (sometimes), or are paying to fly.
I believe we have already paid a very high price in human lives for not treating small aeroplanes as seriously as we should.
People are talking about a pilot shortage, and there will be some movement soon. But our flying schools can train newbies much faster than they are needed, and there are many waiting in the pool of potential airline pilots. So the shortage if there is one will be of experienced prop pilots, and there will be another flood of young hopefuls.
That does not fix the problem. We need a change in how the airlines recruit and train thier new pilots.
I hope some of those who have been waiting for years will get to be well paid and happy.
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Casual pilots are, too often "broke and unhappy" and the smart ones are soon gone. But the "obscene lottery" that airline recruiting has become keeps amny of them trying, even though they are angry and unhappy. You just need to read Prune to see that.
In today's climate, full time GA jobs are not common, even out bush. Most are paid by the hour. So happy GA pilots are not common. It seems that happy regional airline pilots are not common.
And this is now affecting regional airlines, and sneaking into the major airlines. There is not really a difference. Flying is flying, and ALL commercial flying including most Australian GA needs stable, reliable, well paid, happy pilots who work long and hard at making things better. You do not get this with temporary pilots, who are paid by the hour (sometimes), or are paying to fly.
I believe we have already paid a very high price in human lives for not treating small aeroplanes as seriously as we should.
In today's climate, full time GA jobs are not common, even out bush. Most are paid by the hour. So happy GA pilots are not common. It seems that happy regional airline pilots are not common.
And this is now affecting regional airlines, and sneaking into the major airlines. There is not really a difference. Flying is flying, and ALL commercial flying including most Australian GA needs stable, reliable, well paid, happy pilots who work long and hard at making things better. You do not get this with temporary pilots, who are paid by the hour (sometimes), or are paying to fly.
I believe we have already paid a very high price in human lives for not treating small aeroplanes as seriously as we should.
This is where the respect for GA pilots MUST start.
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LRT, 54 grand for a Metro Captain? In some dream land maybe... you'd make more getting yourself an entry-level office job!
And the crappy pay and conditions/lack of respect extends to more than the pilot group (but as stated not the engineers), they're the only ones making any money besides the CEO and friends... Maybe because they know without them the planes would be sitting on the ground all the time waiting to be fixed... that said, you need pilots to fly them, and pretty soon even that might be a stretch for these guys!!
PS - Slander is individuals, Libel is against a company... it can't be libel if it's true... and the truth is, these people treat their staff like rubbish, ask anyone who's worked there.
Disgruntled ex-employees posting here? Probably. But disgruntled employees are so for a reason; the reason here being that 'Skippy' simply do not value or care about their staff as other companies do. (Ask most who have moved on from, say, Maroomba and just about guarantee it would be for a 'better/bigger'job, not because they were unhappy with how they were treated (and no, I do not work for Maroomba, but it's well known that they DO know how to treat staff)
LRT, if it's what you want, go for it, but only if you can't get in somewhere else that treats you better!
And the crappy pay and conditions/lack of respect extends to more than the pilot group (but as stated not the engineers), they're the only ones making any money besides the CEO and friends... Maybe because they know without them the planes would be sitting on the ground all the time waiting to be fixed... that said, you need pilots to fly them, and pretty soon even that might be a stretch for these guys!!
PS - Slander is individuals, Libel is against a company... it can't be libel if it's true... and the truth is, these people treat their staff like rubbish, ask anyone who's worked there.
Disgruntled ex-employees posting here? Probably. But disgruntled employees are so for a reason; the reason here being that 'Skippy' simply do not value or care about their staff as other companies do. (Ask most who have moved on from, say, Maroomba and just about guarantee it would be for a 'better/bigger'job, not because they were unhappy with how they were treated (and no, I do not work for Maroomba, but it's well known that they DO know how to treat staff)
LRT, if it's what you want, go for it, but only if you can't get in somewhere else that treats you better!
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it can't be libel if it's true...
PS: These are not the only guys who pay the bare minimum wage and are seeing pilots leave! This phenomenon is being repeated all over the country, eventually someone will wake up and provide a decent lifestyle, myself and many others, are more concerned with lifestyle than shiny jets!!
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HH, if it ever came down to it, there'd be more than a few who would tell a court how sh!t they've been treated... as Dijon said, there's quite a few ex-Skippys people around the place who are well rid of that company...
And, put it this way, if they tried to get anyone for saying what's being said here, there's more than enough mud that can be slung back at them re: what goes on behind closed doors... 
Which is why they'd never go after anyone at all...
And, put it this way, if they tried to get anyone for saying what's being said here, there's more than enough mud that can be slung back at them re: what goes on behind closed doors...
Which is why they'd never go after anyone at all...
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Aqua, Beat up on the 20% pay rise, i got that the first time.
But the rest of the thread, complaints etc etc, appears a tad baseless don't you think ?.
Brasilian Bird, so why attack this operator, it would appear the problem in this case is the actual "Award" being non reflective of the current climate.
It has been stated here by a number of you guys/gals that said operator does not meet the award, but truth be told it would appear they ( and many other operators ) are infact paying above the award.
If the award is not "up to date" ( is not inline with CPI ), is an issue that needs to be taken up with Industrial Relations.
Will certainly not be solved here by bitching and moaning.
If you think defamation ( be it Slander { spoken word } or Libel { written} ) is hard to prove, perhaps you missed the TACAN400/Dick Smith event recently.
But the rest of the thread, complaints etc etc, appears a tad baseless don't you think ?.
Brasilian Bird, so why attack this operator, it would appear the problem in this case is the actual "Award" being non reflective of the current climate.
It has been stated here by a number of you guys/gals that said operator does not meet the award, but truth be told it would appear they ( and many other operators ) are infact paying above the award.
If the award is not "up to date" ( is not inline with CPI ), is an issue that needs to be taken up with Industrial Relations.
Will certainly not be solved here by bitching and moaning.
If you think defamation ( be it Slander { spoken word } or Libel { written} ) is hard to prove, perhaps you missed the TACAN400/Dick Smith event recently.