JetStar= All Day, Every Day, Low Fares.
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JetStar= All Day, Every Day, Low Fares.
What a crock of smelly excreta!
Just have a look at just about every port JetStar goes to ,thus far.
Sure ,it starts off with a plethora of cheap fares, but guess what?
As soon as management thinks that they are established, the price goes up, and the ticket price ends up being what Qantas was charginging anyway.
Have a loook at the fares going to Bali, to see what is going on.
These fares have double since JetStar started and Qantas pulled the pin.
Another gripe! Try booking a Qantas holiday these days.
Chances are you'll end up on JetStar!
Don't blame the JetStar staff!
Write a letter of disgust to Geoff and Alan.
Just have a look at just about every port JetStar goes to ,thus far.
Sure ,it starts off with a plethora of cheap fares, but guess what?
As soon as management thinks that they are established, the price goes up, and the ticket price ends up being what Qantas was charginging anyway.
Have a loook at the fares going to Bali, to see what is going on.
These fares have double since JetStar started and Qantas pulled the pin.
Another gripe! Try booking a Qantas holiday these days.
Chances are you'll end up on JetStar!
Don't blame the JetStar staff!
Write a letter of disgust to Geoff and Alan.
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Nothing new in the zoo here blow.
Generally the base model no service without paying for extras JQ model to Bali is within $40.00 of the full service GA product or SQ nett remit fares over SIN with the option of a stopover.
Likewise you can generally enjoy full service on FJ to NAN at the same or lower fare on Air Pacific.
It is all marketing - sort of like Fright Centre. Big advertising - low experience complete with staff who have no idea to issue a ticket or construct a mileage fare themselves as that is all done in Brisbane.
You do not always gt what you pay for.
Use a professional and get accurate comparisons. In many cases there is no need to bother yourself with LCCs after the initial opening specials evaporate. After all, who would want to spend 5 to 9 hours in the shallow end of the gene pool.
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EWL
Generally the base model no service without paying for extras JQ model to Bali is within $40.00 of the full service GA product or SQ nett remit fares over SIN with the option of a stopover.
Likewise you can generally enjoy full service on FJ to NAN at the same or lower fare on Air Pacific.
It is all marketing - sort of like Fright Centre. Big advertising - low experience complete with staff who have no idea to issue a ticket or construct a mileage fare themselves as that is all done in Brisbane.
You do not always gt what you pay for.
Use a professional and get accurate comparisons. In many cases there is no need to bother yourself with LCCs after the initial opening specials evaporate. After all, who would want to spend 5 to 9 hours in the shallow end of the gene pool.
Best regards
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You are just starting to get the idea. Low cost airlines are about low operating costs not low airfares. Sure cheaper airfares may sometimes be a by product, but greater profits is the primary objective.
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What a terrible way to run a business. Enticing customers by offering specials....shock horror. Hope Coles and Woolworths and Safeway and IGA and MacDonalds ....and even...."gasp" Qantas....don't find out. Our country could be stuffed big time. Imagine if Airbus offered incentives to get people to buy the first A380. Imagine if car makers offered "cash back" to get customers through the door.
BTW...if the Competition Commission hear of this....will all the seats at the MCG to watch this year's great season by the bombers be the same price. God forbid that there should be different prices paid across the stadium.
Thanks for telling us of this crime against humanity.
BTW...if the Competition Commission hear of this....will all the seats at the MCG to watch this year's great season by the bombers be the same price. God forbid that there should be different prices paid across the stadium.
Thanks for telling us of this crime against humanity.
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As Joyce has said himself, "it is not about offering low fares, it is about the public perceiving that Jetstar offer low fares!" A big difference. The end result, a shafting for the traveling public. Funny the price rise coincided with the Garuda accident dont you think? Milking the Aussie cash cow! Oh, but there is no yield on Bali! "Stop operating there then". 
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a couple of buddies just departed for Indo this weekend, they changed the plan to fly from Jetstar to Garuda and saved a few Hundred on each ticket!
his theory is garuda is safe now because everyone will be inspecting their aircraft... not only that, they cut their fares by 75%
his theory is garuda is safe now because everyone will be inspecting their aircraft... not only that, they cut their fares by 75%
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Ratpoison -
I actually knew quite a few Garuda pilots from as early as the mid 90's.
I agree they were challenged at times in the aviation environment, especially the newer & younger crew which I associated with.
However from my experience, they were always curteous, pleasant & sincere.
Comments such as your last are probably best kept to yourself.
I actually knew quite a few Garuda pilots from as early as the mid 90's.
I agree they were challenged at times in the aviation environment, especially the newer & younger crew which I associated with.
However from my experience, they were always curteous, pleasant & sincere.
Comments such as your last are probably best kept to yourself.
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However from my experience, they were always curteous, pleasant & sincere.
But on the other hand I don't think we can blame the pilots, after all we don't know them. If there is a problem with standards then they should have better training and support. After all we are all as good as our training (to an extent)
Indonesia has a far inferior setup in cases such as Airlines but much more severe in cases such as terrain, weather, ATC, and communications issues compared to here. There is definitely an issue there because the rate of accidents is unacceptable. I think the issue lies in the administration of the Airlines.
As a side note, I found it quite distressing that this latest accident received such high media coverage (because some Australians were onboard) whereas the loss of a whole aircraft with everyone onboard (Adam Air incident recently) was not really reported as such in the mainstream media.
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"his theory is garuda is safe now because everyone will be inspecting their aircraft... not only that, they cut their fares by 75%"
....Nice theory..sort of like that lightening is not supposed to hit the same place twice.....
However there seems to be a problem there that is endemic.
Whether it is training ,maintenance or whatever but I wouldn't be rushing to fly with them just to save a few hundred dollars.
It's amazing though to see what some people will do to save a few hundred dollars...
And we have a shot at the company at times for their attempts to save money..
I also have to go along with the others...I'm sure that some of their pilots are friendly and nice but that doesn't get you to your destination safely.
....Nice theory..sort of like that lightening is not supposed to hit the same place twice.....
However there seems to be a problem there that is endemic.
Whether it is training ,maintenance or whatever but I wouldn't be rushing to fly with them just to save a few hundred dollars.
It's amazing though to see what some people will do to save a few hundred dollars...
And we have a shot at the company at times for their attempts to save money..
I also have to go along with the others...I'm sure that some of their pilots are friendly and nice but that doesn't get you to your destination safely.
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garuda accident q incident
and the roo is so safe right know isnt it ?maintenance offshore! disgruntled employees! cadet pilots! high time aircraft!different pay scales for same job! sh/lh fighting the list is endless hope the tarmac is
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...cadet pilots!....sh/lh fighting...
I agree with most of the rest of it. If it comes it'll be another 'organisational accident' that will try and get explained away by a poor decision by the people at the pointy end.
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However from my experience, they were always curteous, pleasant & sincere
Thanks for the comments, however the day I see my family member again who was killed in the 1997 Garuda crash in Medan when the clown flew a perfectly serviceable airbus into the ground 30 miles from the airport killing all 234 on board, I'll make sure to tell them that their driver was "curteous, pleasant and sincere".
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Oh yeah - blow
If you want to book a Qantas Holiday package, use a professional.
We can either advise you that the flight is operated by JQ or book your air seperate to the ground arrangements and save the nasty shock at the 'drome.
Sort of an "I didn't order that french restaurant moment" that is avoidable for little or no cost.
The only way to beat marketing is to get objective help. Most of us leeches will provide that.
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If you want to book a Qantas Holiday package, use a professional.
We can either advise you that the flight is operated by JQ or book your air seperate to the ground arrangements and save the nasty shock at the 'drome.
Sort of an "I didn't order that french restaurant moment" that is avoidable for little or no cost.
The only way to beat marketing is to get objective help. Most of us leeches will provide that.
Best regards
EWL
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Eastwest Loco,
I always enjoy your insightful posts, as they're dealing with part of the industry about which I know nothing. So I wonder if you mind me asking a question? (Sorry for minor thread creep, mods
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I had always considered that simply for booking flights (rather than full holiday packages), that the age of direct airline phone bookings and internet websites had sent travel agents the way of the dodo. However, your comments about Jetstar and Flight Centre a few posts back makes me wonder if I've been missing out.
I used Flight Centre earlier this year to book my annual ski holiday in Colorado. Because I've been going there for a while, I know more about the vagaries of the airport (Aspen often closed due wx, so need to route via Denver etc etc) so have only used travel agents in order to have the convenience of an Australia-based number to call if I need to change arrangements. Even then, the airline phone numbers make it pretty easy to manage yourself if you need to.
Anyway, I gave the Flight Centre people my preferred routing and asked them to come up with the best deal. Frankly, they didn't seem to have much of a clue, and didn't really offer me much in the way of options that I couldn't have worked out for myself - so again, I questioned the value of using an agent at all.
However, you obviously know the industry backwards, and someone like you would have been much more valuable to me. So how do I go about finding a travel agent that can provide such a service, as opposed to the "cookie cutter" approach of the major chains? Do franchises like Harvey World have the sort of expertise you're talking about, or do I need to find an independent "high street" agent, or is there an industry certification (eg like Master Builders or something) that is an indicator of quality and experience?
Your thoughts appreciated, and again, thanks for giving us all the benefit of your long experience!
cheers,
SW
I always enjoy your insightful posts, as they're dealing with part of the industry about which I know nothing. So I wonder if you mind me asking a question? (Sorry for minor thread creep, mods
)I had always considered that simply for booking flights (rather than full holiday packages), that the age of direct airline phone bookings and internet websites had sent travel agents the way of the dodo. However, your comments about Jetstar and Flight Centre a few posts back makes me wonder if I've been missing out.
I used Flight Centre earlier this year to book my annual ski holiday in Colorado. Because I've been going there for a while, I know more about the vagaries of the airport (Aspen often closed due wx, so need to route via Denver etc etc) so have only used travel agents in order to have the convenience of an Australia-based number to call if I need to change arrangements. Even then, the airline phone numbers make it pretty easy to manage yourself if you need to.
Anyway, I gave the Flight Centre people my preferred routing and asked them to come up with the best deal. Frankly, they didn't seem to have much of a clue, and didn't really offer me much in the way of options that I couldn't have worked out for myself - so again, I questioned the value of using an agent at all.
However, you obviously know the industry backwards, and someone like you would have been much more valuable to me. So how do I go about finding a travel agent that can provide such a service, as opposed to the "cookie cutter" approach of the major chains? Do franchises like Harvey World have the sort of expertise you're talking about, or do I need to find an independent "high street" agent, or is there an industry certification (eg like Master Builders or something) that is an indicator of quality and experience?
Your thoughts appreciated, and again, thanks for giving us all the benefit of your long experience!
cheers,
SW
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I apologise in advance for further hijacking the post.
Hi Swingwing
We are a high care and generally corporate and specialty agency dealing with large computer software and mainframe companies as well as professional surfers and other sports people as well as a myriad of other sports/corporate/general passengers.
As such we must be available (generally me) 24 hours a day and that is what makes the difference in my mind. Sucked in!!
Flight Centre has a place in the marketplace as McDonalds does with fine dining. Horses for courses.
I would suggest the best test of he pudding is getting a quote from FC as a first contact and then contacting a reputable "legacy" agent and getting the same quote from them. I have yet to be beaten using my standard 9% on the nett fare formula. My staff are not paid by commission over a small retainer. They are given generous bonuses if we are doing OK and all get the same. Teamwork.
If the recently pubescent FC dudes do not have anything else going for them, they know how to use someone elses work and undercut it by a few bucks to get the sale. This is the "scab" area. Some will not believe I just went there.
Very few of them would have a clue about Fares and Ticketing courses or IATA fare construction rules as all their tickets are issued by the few idiot savantes in Brisbane or wherever.
The important thing with a decent Corporate travel agent is that you can actually contact them after hours. Have you noticed Flight Centre office configuations? High counter and stools. Marketing speak for spend and get out of our face. Have a look next time you walk past one. Not welcoming for a long stay and that is why they are like that. LCC meets LCTA - and the advertising is just as false.
There are a lot of good (I am taking a leap of faith and assuming here) agencies like mine out there, but I am very proud of my girls and their knowledge base.
One of the Woomeri deals with us and so do quite a few PPRuNers. This pleases me greatly as we are dealing with intelligent professional people just like our Corporate clients in far different fields.
Mobile is 0419 323989 - work toll free is 1800 067 207. The ladies in the office are Kylie and Lynne - both lovely and highly experienced and I am Ron - but that is NOT my fault.
Back a fraction closer to getting back on thread, I spoke to a mate today who is a surfer and booked him back to Padang. Did the ride into Jogjag 3 times in the last 3 months.
On each occasion on 2 different carriers he noticed the approach seemed hot and high. Is there something about the airport that indicates downwind approaches or terrain/airport lengh issues that makes it an ugly airport?
Friend at GA advises the industry is being very supportive and thanks any of you that have shown support. We cannot change what happened, but can learn from it and move forward.
I would fly GA tomorrow. there are many I would not, and some of them operate within Australia.
Best all
Ron
EWL
Hi Swingwing
We are a high care and generally corporate and specialty agency dealing with large computer software and mainframe companies as well as professional surfers and other sports people as well as a myriad of other sports/corporate/general passengers.
As such we must be available (generally me) 24 hours a day and that is what makes the difference in my mind. Sucked in!!
Flight Centre has a place in the marketplace as McDonalds does with fine dining. Horses for courses.
I would suggest the best test of he pudding is getting a quote from FC as a first contact and then contacting a reputable "legacy" agent and getting the same quote from them. I have yet to be beaten using my standard 9% on the nett fare formula. My staff are not paid by commission over a small retainer. They are given generous bonuses if we are doing OK and all get the same. Teamwork.
If the recently pubescent FC dudes do not have anything else going for them, they know how to use someone elses work and undercut it by a few bucks to get the sale. This is the "scab" area. Some will not believe I just went there.
Very few of them would have a clue about Fares and Ticketing courses or IATA fare construction rules as all their tickets are issued by the few idiot savantes in Brisbane or wherever.
The important thing with a decent Corporate travel agent is that you can actually contact them after hours. Have you noticed Flight Centre office configuations? High counter and stools. Marketing speak for spend and get out of our face. Have a look next time you walk past one. Not welcoming for a long stay and that is why they are like that. LCC meets LCTA - and the advertising is just as false.
There are a lot of good (I am taking a leap of faith and assuming here) agencies like mine out there, but I am very proud of my girls and their knowledge base.
One of the Woomeri deals with us and so do quite a few PPRuNers. This pleases me greatly as we are dealing with intelligent professional people just like our Corporate clients in far different fields.
Mobile is 0419 323989 - work toll free is 1800 067 207. The ladies in the office are Kylie and Lynne - both lovely and highly experienced and I am Ron - but that is NOT my fault.
Back a fraction closer to getting back on thread, I spoke to a mate today who is a surfer and booked him back to Padang. Did the ride into Jogjag 3 times in the last 3 months.
On each occasion on 2 different carriers he noticed the approach seemed hot and high. Is there something about the airport that indicates downwind approaches or terrain/airport lengh issues that makes it an ugly airport?
Friend at GA advises the industry is being very supportive and thanks any of you that have shown support. We cannot change what happened, but can learn from it and move forward.
I would fly GA tomorrow. there are many I would not, and some of them operate within Australia.
Best all
Ron
EWL
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EWL, got to say that you're at the top of my list if ever myself, Mrs Keg, Miss Keg and Master Keg ever decide to travel.
One of the blokes on Qrewroom had this to say about the place.
I hope that assists.
Is there something about the airport that indicates downwind approaches or terrain/airport lengh issues that makes it an ugly airport?
For all those people that are looking a Yoga,s landing distance and doing the math and asking why did a 737 get it so wrong .......forget about it.
The length is irrelevant.
In a previous life I use to fly into Yoga using 737's for Garuda in fact.
I can tell you Yoga is a complete trap.
Its the roughest strip I have ever operated into with a jet. So rough the anti lock and Skid functions were always cycling off and on from the constant jarring.
In 1 month alone there were 3 overruns while I was operating there, You always used every inch.
Then you have more poor braking when you do the aircarft on the ground from the constant rubber deposits that were never removed or the ILS that never worked and the huge volcano to the West which would create fantastic wind shear from its 12000ft peak
Trust me this strip has claimed more than one 737 and looking at performance charts wont help with the answer on why it happened.
The length is irrelevant.
In a previous life I use to fly into Yoga using 737's for Garuda in fact.
I can tell you Yoga is a complete trap.
Its the roughest strip I have ever operated into with a jet. So rough the anti lock and Skid functions were always cycling off and on from the constant jarring.
In 1 month alone there were 3 overruns while I was operating there, You always used every inch.
Then you have more poor braking when you do the aircarft on the ground from the constant rubber deposits that were never removed or the ILS that never worked and the huge volcano to the West which would create fantastic wind shear from its 12000ft peak
Trust me this strip has claimed more than one 737 and looking at performance charts wont help with the answer on why it happened.
