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The increase in the package is 6% and maybe as high as 18% in a full month for the starting FO and goes down from there. 10 Year guy good month( no leave or sim) @ 15%
I think the numbers that left last year was 100+
I think the numbers that left last year was 100+
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Correct 100+ resigned and 190 new pilots required this year.
Truth is another 60+ will go this year too,
ANZ flying.... not likely, we can't even crew what we have and there's more routes and sectors being anounced every month.
Be nice to the Kiwi's.
Truth is another 60+ will go this year too,
ANZ flying.... not likely, we can't even crew what we have and there's more routes and sectors being anounced every month.
Be nice to the Kiwi's.
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The only way any of this could make sense is if ANZ guys flew the Tasman for EK in EK planes. Ek does not have spare crew maybe ANZ does. The EK NZ guys will be pissed off though, and some Aussies. You will see 3 crew ops for direct flts to OZ , ANZ crews operate to NZ and back.340 arrives 6.00am in Melbourne departs with same crew at 10 pm that night , thatll free up some manpower......
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This thread has to be the biggest load of horsesh1t I've read on Prune for a long time.
Why the hell would EK want to take Air NZ crews? there are plenty of cheaper Brazilians, Chileans, Argentinians, and stoopid poms who want to get there hand on a 777
Why the hell would EK want to take Air NZ crews? there are plenty of cheaper Brazilians, Chileans, Argentinians, and stoopid poms who want to get there hand on a 777
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I thought it was more along the lines of a code-share agreement in a round-about way so the ACCC doesn't quash it again.
i.e. NZ opt out of some Tasman services and EK operate on their behalf. That would be the only arrangement I can think of that would benefit both parties. Still haven't heard anything official though. You will obviously not see either airline crewing the other's aircraft.
NZ have long stated they would like to free up aircraft from the un-profitable trans-Tasman routes. Particularly where 777s are used that could be better applied to growth markets.
Still, I think this one is just a rumour.
i.e. NZ opt out of some Tasman services and EK operate on their behalf. That would be the only arrangement I can think of that would benefit both parties. Still haven't heard anything official though. You will obviously not see either airline crewing the other's aircraft.
NZ have long stated they would like to free up aircraft from the un-profitable trans-Tasman routes. Particularly where 777s are used that could be better applied to growth markets.
Still, I think this one is just a rumour.
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Emirates to become THE airline 'Downunder'
A successful marketing buddy of mine sent me the below list of events/teams that EK sponsor down here. Its pretty amazing!
He said that for EK its not just for increasing pax numbers for them, but to get EK accepted in this part of the world. His thort is if/when they come to take major/total shareholdings of QF/NZ - and goodness knows who else - the public will go, "We like them because they sponsor _________, we'd love to have them onboard".
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Here's the list from this part of the world:
Emirates is also the title and main sponsor of the Melbourne Cup (Australia's richest horse race)
Emirates was the Official Airline of the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
Emirates is the main sponsor behind Emirates Team New Zealand
Emirates is sponsor of Collingwood Football Club
Emirates also holds the sponsorship rights for cricket umpires and association football referees.
Emirates is now the major sponsor of new Super 14's the Emirates Western Force
Emirates is also involved in the IRB Sevens World Series
He said that for EK its not just for increasing pax numbers for them, but to get EK accepted in this part of the world. His thort is if/when they come to take major/total shareholdings of QF/NZ - and goodness knows who else - the public will go, "We like them because they sponsor _________, we'd love to have them onboard".
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Here's the list from this part of the world:
Emirates is also the title and main sponsor of the Melbourne Cup (Australia's richest horse race)
Emirates was the Official Airline of the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
Emirates is the main sponsor behind Emirates Team New Zealand
Emirates is sponsor of Collingwood Football Club
Emirates also holds the sponsorship rights for cricket umpires and association football referees.
Emirates is now the major sponsor of new Super 14's the Emirates Western Force
Emirates is also involved in the IRB Sevens World Series
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Scope
Of course EK crews cannot fly Air N.Z routes. It is not allowed under the current pilots' collective employment agreement. Our scope clause Section 7 Security of employment first paragraph 7.1 clearly states this. So sorry EK lads - but back to the sandpit for you! 
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Nothing stopping Air NZ pilots flying EK aircraft on EK routes though, I'll bet.....just to help out a bit of course.
And all those who wouldn't abide anyone else flying "their" Air NZ aircraft will be the first to apply
And all those who wouldn't abide anyone else flying "their" Air NZ aircraft will be the first to apply
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Allways lots of sponsorship announced just before ...The Profit Share...
1279 shp you left a few out....
Emirates has an impressive sports sponsorship portfolio which includes;
Official Airline of the 2007 Rugby World Cup
Sponsorship of the IRB referees and match officials.
Emirates is the title sponsor of four tournaments in the IRB Sevens World Series: Dubai, South Africa, London and Edinburgh, and the shirt sponsors of the England and Samoa sevens teams.
In Australia, Emirates sponsors the Emirates Western Force.
Emirates is heavily involved in football as an Official Partner of FIFA World Cup and sponsor of Arsenal Football Club,
Paris St Germain and Hamburg Football Club
naming rights of Arsenal’s home ground – the Emirates Stadium.
Emirates’ other sports include:
sailing, as the title sponsor of Emirates Team New Zealand and their America’s Cup bid,
In golf, Emirates is Official Airline to nine major tournaments around the world.
Emirates is the title sponsor of the world’s richest race, the Dubai World Cup
The Emirates Melbourne Cup
Two races at the Breeders’ Cup World Championship in America
Emirates Singapore Derby.
DUBAI, U.A.E., 13th February 2007 –
Emirates, the Dubai-based multi-award winning airline, recently announced a AUD500,000 sponsorship of the defending champions; underlying Emirates’ commitment to Australia.
His Highness Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, Chairman and Chief Executive, Emirates Airline & Group said: “The sponsorship of the Australian cricket team further enhances our association with Australia; and also with major international sporting events.
“Emirates has a long and successful partnership with the Australian team and we were with them when they won the Cricket World Cup in 1999. We wish them the best of luck in retaining the World Cup and the title of the best cricket team in the world.”
The Emirates sponsorship of Australia’s World Cup team will see Emirates branding appear on the team uniform and training apparel while in the West Indies.
Emirates will also be the naming rights sponsor of the Celebration of Australian One-Day International Cricket event and ICC World Cup departure celebration on 27th February at Luna Park in Sydney.
Emirates has always had a strong affiliation with cricket and in addition to their sponsorship of the Australian Cricket World Cup team, it also sponsors the ICC Umpires and is the Official Airline to Cricket Australia.
Emirates, the Dubai-based multi-award winning airline, recently announced a AUD500,000 sponsorship of the defending champions; underlying Emirates’ commitment to Australia.
His Highness Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, Chairman and Chief Executive, Emirates Airline & Group said: “The sponsorship of the Australian cricket team further enhances our association with Australia; and also with major international sporting events.
“Emirates has a long and successful partnership with the Australian team and we were with them when they won the Cricket World Cup in 1999. We wish them the best of luck in retaining the World Cup and the title of the best cricket team in the world.”
The Emirates sponsorship of Australia’s World Cup team will see Emirates branding appear on the team uniform and training apparel while in the West Indies.
Emirates will also be the naming rights sponsor of the Celebration of Australian One-Day International Cricket event and ICC World Cup departure celebration on 27th February at Luna Park in Sydney.
Emirates has always had a strong affiliation with cricket and in addition to their sponsorship of the Australian Cricket World Cup team, it also sponsors the ICC Umpires and is the Official Airline to Cricket Australia.
Official Airline of the 2007 Rugby World Cup
Sponsorship of the IRB referees and match officials.
Emirates is the title sponsor of four tournaments in the IRB Sevens World Series: Dubai, South Africa, London and Edinburgh, and the shirt sponsors of the England and Samoa sevens teams.
In Australia, Emirates sponsors the Emirates Western Force.
Emirates is heavily involved in football as an Official Partner of FIFA World Cup and sponsor of Arsenal Football Club,
Paris St Germain and Hamburg Football Club
naming rights of Arsenal’s home ground – the Emirates Stadium.
Emirates’ other sports include:
sailing, as the title sponsor of Emirates Team New Zealand and their America’s Cup bid,
In golf, Emirates is Official Airline to nine major tournaments around the world.
Emirates is the title sponsor of the world’s richest race, the Dubai World Cup
The Emirates Melbourne Cup
Two races at the Breeders’ Cup World Championship in America
Emirates Singapore Derby.
29/07,
Spoken like a true insular xeonophobe.
ANZ was so fearful of Singapore Airlines taking the other 50% of ansett, and breathing admittedtly much needed recapitalisation into what was a truely great airline, litteraly bit off more than they could chew, and despite being a half owner, cried afterwards that they had bought a pup!
Pure corporate incompetance on ANZ's part, and gross government interferance from both sides of the Tasman.
It was only the intervention of the NZ taxpayer that saved ANZ from going down the same drain.
It appears now that the horror from Wellington has finally found a way out!
Good luck boys and girls.
Spoken like a true insular xeonophobe.
ANZ was so fearful of Singapore Airlines taking the other 50% of ansett, and breathing admittedtly much needed recapitalisation into what was a truely great airline, litteraly bit off more than they could chew, and despite being a half owner, cried afterwards that they had bought a pup!
Pure corporate incompetance on ANZ's part, and gross government interferance from both sides of the Tasman.
It was only the intervention of the NZ taxpayer that saved ANZ from going down the same drain.
It appears now that the horror from Wellington has finally found a way out!
Good luck boys and girls.
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Looks to me like no matter how you view it .....Air new zealand are upto something...and based on past history I bet it aint good for the crew
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They pride themselves on making stupid quick descisions and then back tracking a few months later.....selling off the engineering base in CHCH.....what a classic move
...then rehireing the engineers because they are short
The debacle of with the Union over the 747-400 introduction and the making of 80 pilots redundant......most got hired back. Cabin crew on different terms and conditions.....ground staff on part time contracts.....the buying of Ansett Australia....now that was a great piece of work. The Aussies are still laughing over that baby ...... and the tax payer had to bail them out.
Ooooh heres a great I dea lets join up with our competition Qantas...no one will notice....oops bad idea.
face it brothers.....ANZ is a shambles and something positive needs to be done....AND NOW THERE IS A HIREING BAN ON..... WHEN EVERYONE IS PREDICTING A PILOT SHORTAGE
Can someone please help the ego maniacs of Air New Zealand ......
mmmmmm lets see.......oh I know..........sell off to someone else.......make truck loads of money.
Yep great Idea Fellas then lets see what happens to your scope clause then.
Who is running Air New Zealand...? This is a serious question!!!
TR
Looks to me like no matter how you view it .....Air new zealand are upto something...and based on past history I bet it aint good for the crew
. They pride themselves on making stupid quick descisions and then back tracking a few months later.....selling off the engineering base in CHCH.....what a classic move
...then rehireing the engineers because they are short The debacle of with the Union over the 747-400 introduction and the making of 80 pilots redundant......most got hired back. Cabin crew on different terms and conditions.....ground staff on part time contracts.....the buying of Ansett Australia....now that was a great piece of work. The Aussies are still laughing over that baby ...... and the tax payer had to bail them out.
Ooooh heres a great I dea lets join up with our competition Qantas...no one will notice....oops bad idea.
face it brothers.....ANZ is a shambles and something positive needs to be done....AND NOW THERE IS A HIREING BAN ON..... WHEN EVERYONE IS PREDICTING A PILOT SHORTAGE
Can someone please help the ego maniacs of Air New Zealand ......
mmmmmm lets see.......oh I know..........sell off to someone else.......make truck loads of money.Yep great Idea Fellas then lets see what happens to your scope clause then.
Who is running Air New Zealand...? This is a serious question!!!
TR
Hey Tailie,
Is this fella scope clause any relation to Santa?
Don
Is this fella scope clause any relation to Santa?
Don
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AND NOW THERE IS A HIREING BAN ON
Air NZ is offering leave without pay, and is in talks with a few airlines about contracting some pilots to them because they have a excess of crew (mainly on the 767 fleet). Apparently they are talking with Emirates & ANA about this. And since Emirates seems to need so many pilots, why not?
Good opportunity for the NZ crew if it all works out, chance to experience life in Emirates but a way back to their job back here.
Whether it all works out this way is anyones guess....
Krusty old chap nothing insular or exonophobic about my comments. I stand by what I said and add some detail.
Who raped and pillaged Ansett prior to it's sale to Air NZ? - That great Ozzie icon News Corp, they even did it to Ansett New Zealand, What happened to that?. Didn't the Ansett Nz 146's have the red rat on their tails for a short time?. You don't hear any sympathy from your side of the ditch for those that suffered here.
Wasn't it ironic that Ansett Australia was shut down twice for alleged maintenance problems both times at busy times of the year (Christmas/NewYear and Easter). Times of the year when any airline is expected have high loadings and make good returns. Instead an airline already weakened by the raping and pillaging that had been perpertrated by part of it's previous ownership had the final nail driven into the coffin.
Why did the shutdowns occur at crucial times? Why if the problems were so bad that the airline had to be shut down did it not take very long to rectify the issues and get flying again quickly?
It would seem to me that there were people in Australia who wanted Ansett to fail and took any chance they could to make it happen. This was likely to happen no matter who owned Ansett. Air New Zealand didn't have big enough pockets to carry the baby. I wonder what any other owner might have done in the same circumstances.
As to the involvement of Air NZ in Ansett, that is another story in itself which goes back to Australia renegging on the open skies agreement between the NZ and Oz.
I agree Air NZ should never have bought 100% of Ansett. I believe that decision was partly driven by one of Air NZ's larger shareholders who wanted to divest their shareholding in Air NZ. Singapore Airlines was the most obvious contender, but they were sniffing at Ansett as well and weren't likely to buy into both airlines. Therefore if this large shareholder got Air NZ to exercise their right to buy Ansett, Singapore then only had one option, buy their Air NZ shares.
That nearly worked too, except for another bout of government interference.
We do agree on some things, a bad decision by Air NZ to buy 100% of Ansett, and government interference on both sides of the Tasman.
I still lay the primary blame for Ansetts demise at the feet of Australian parties.
Who raped and pillaged Ansett prior to it's sale to Air NZ? - That great Ozzie icon News Corp, they even did it to Ansett New Zealand, What happened to that?. Didn't the Ansett Nz 146's have the red rat on their tails for a short time?. You don't hear any sympathy from your side of the ditch for those that suffered here.
Wasn't it ironic that Ansett Australia was shut down twice for alleged maintenance problems both times at busy times of the year (Christmas/NewYear and Easter). Times of the year when any airline is expected have high loadings and make good returns. Instead an airline already weakened by the raping and pillaging that had been perpertrated by part of it's previous ownership had the final nail driven into the coffin.
Why did the shutdowns occur at crucial times? Why if the problems were so bad that the airline had to be shut down did it not take very long to rectify the issues and get flying again quickly?
It would seem to me that there were people in Australia who wanted Ansett to fail and took any chance they could to make it happen. This was likely to happen no matter who owned Ansett. Air New Zealand didn't have big enough pockets to carry the baby. I wonder what any other owner might have done in the same circumstances.
As to the involvement of Air NZ in Ansett, that is another story in itself which goes back to Australia renegging on the open skies agreement between the NZ and Oz.
I agree Air NZ should never have bought 100% of Ansett. I believe that decision was partly driven by one of Air NZ's larger shareholders who wanted to divest their shareholding in Air NZ. Singapore Airlines was the most obvious contender, but they were sniffing at Ansett as well and weren't likely to buy into both airlines. Therefore if this large shareholder got Air NZ to exercise their right to buy Ansett, Singapore then only had one option, buy their Air NZ shares.
That nearly worked too, except for another bout of government interference.
We do agree on some things, a bad decision by Air NZ to buy 100% of Ansett, and government interference on both sides of the Tasman.
I still lay the primary blame for Ansetts demise at the feet of Australian parties.
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27/09
Nice summary of events.... wont fit with the "Ozzie" version though, bit to close to the truth.
Krusty; a bit rich/emotive calling 27/09 a Xenophobe .. see the remarks of your cobber sweetpolly as a better example.
Seems the world is full of Ozzies with chips on their shoulders, honestly.... "whats the story"... why you all so unhappy.....
Nice summary of events.... wont fit with the "Ozzie" version though, bit to close to the truth.
Krusty; a bit rich/emotive calling 27/09 a Xenophobe .. see the remarks of your cobber sweetpolly as a better example.
Seems the world is full of Ozzies with chips on their shoulders, honestly.... "whats the story"... why you all so unhappy.....
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