Tiger A320s to operate domestic downunder?
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Boys and Girls let's see Tiger compete with this sort of customer service..
A QANTAS flight attendant faces the sack after being accused of having sex with British actor Ralph Fiennes in an aircraft toilet while flying from Australia to India.
Sydney-based Lisa Robertson, 38, met the star of The English Patient while working in the business-class cabin on flight QF 123 from Darwin to Mumbai on January 24.
In a confidential report to Qantas management obtained by The Sunday Telegraph, Ms Robertson is accused of chatting to Fiennes during the flight and being seen exiting the same toilet moments apart.
or maybe i reckon she was only influenced by the example of our esteemed leader.
A QANTAS flight attendant faces the sack after being accused of having sex with British actor Ralph Fiennes in an aircraft toilet while flying from Australia to India.
Sydney-based Lisa Robertson, 38, met the star of The English Patient while working in the business-class cabin on flight QF 123 from Darwin to Mumbai on January 24.
In a confidential report to Qantas management obtained by The Sunday Telegraph, Ms Robertson is accused of chatting to Fiennes during the flight and being seen exiting the same toilet moments apart.
or maybe i reckon she was only influenced by the example of our esteemed leader.
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so tell me this.
how about foriegn ownership rules, Aust AOC etc....? doesn't one have to 50% aussie owned? if not why wasn't virgin 100% branson? and why coyldn't Singapore or anyone else just lobbed straight into the domestic market?
how about foriegn ownership rules, Aust AOC etc....? doesn't one have to 50% aussie owned? if not why wasn't virgin 100% branson? and why coyldn't Singapore or anyone else just lobbed straight into the domestic market?
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I understand TR Oz is to be only 49% foreign owned. Don't know where the other 51% is going to come from locally???
They have another 11 A320s on firm order... don't know about options, but management reckon they'll have 5 new electric jets ready for Oz ops.
They have another 11 A320s on firm order... don't know about options, but management reckon they'll have 5 new electric jets ready for Oz ops.
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Brett Godfrey in the Australian
Brett Godfrey: Let nothing soar above national interest
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...7-7583,00.html
Brett Godfrey: Let nothing soar above national interest
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...7-7583,00.html
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't Virgin Blues' start 100% funded by foreign investment (Branson).
Seemingly a case of whats good for the goose is NOT good for the gander.
Seemingly a case of whats good for the goose is NOT good for the gander.
Tiger Airways are part owned by the private investment firm of Ryan Airs Tony Ryan. Ryan Air went from operating a few Bandits to bigger than British Airways. BA withdrew services to the Irish Republic because it couldn't compete.
Major shareholders include Singapore Airlines and Temasek (Singapore government investment arm). These people are not known for being reckless with their money.
Tiger Airways losses are 10% of those of Jetstar Asia and in line with start up expectations. J*Asia cancelled 80 flights due to lack of crew from poor planning, they knew how many were returning to Qantas and when they were going, Tiger cancelled 14 flights during the same period many due to cyclones. J*Asia missed out on lucrative routes to China by first flying to Taiwan and then being surprised when the mainland Chinese were offended.
Qantas started an airline in Singapore complying with local ownership requirements, Tiger start an airline in Australia also complying with local ownership requirements. Fair enough.
Brett Godfrey wasn't too concerned about the investment Ansett had made in Australia when he started, and didn't he concentrate on the golden SYD-MEL-BNE triangle to begin with. Now that Virgin has slipped comfortably into void left by Ansett he seems keen to maintain the duopoly he was so against. If Virgin are keen on operating services from Singapore they can set up a local operation complying with ownership requirements, and take advantage of open skies between ASEAN nations starting next year.
There is an open skies agreement between Australia and Singapore, QF can start a service from Singapore to Los Angeles if they want in competition with SIA. Whilst having a population of only 4.5 million Singapore is a major transit hub. QF are scared of losing their first and business class passengers to SIA if forced to compete on the Pacific. SIA are a premium airline in the process of a major cabin upgrade and will be increasing fares 10-20%, leaving the backpackers to QF and United.
I can't see Tiger on the Pacific run, doesn't fit with their low cost model. SYD-MEL does however, third busiest air route in the world after Madrid - Barcelona, and Sao Paulo - Rio de Janero.
Remember the days of the $30 SYD-MEL airfares ? Looks like they're coming back.
Major shareholders include Singapore Airlines and Temasek (Singapore government investment arm). These people are not known for being reckless with their money.
Tiger Airways losses are 10% of those of Jetstar Asia and in line with start up expectations. J*Asia cancelled 80 flights due to lack of crew from poor planning, they knew how many were returning to Qantas and when they were going, Tiger cancelled 14 flights during the same period many due to cyclones. J*Asia missed out on lucrative routes to China by first flying to Taiwan and then being surprised when the mainland Chinese were offended.
Qantas started an airline in Singapore complying with local ownership requirements, Tiger start an airline in Australia also complying with local ownership requirements. Fair enough.
Brett Godfrey wasn't too concerned about the investment Ansett had made in Australia when he started, and didn't he concentrate on the golden SYD-MEL-BNE triangle to begin with. Now that Virgin has slipped comfortably into void left by Ansett he seems keen to maintain the duopoly he was so against. If Virgin are keen on operating services from Singapore they can set up a local operation complying with ownership requirements, and take advantage of open skies between ASEAN nations starting next year.
There is an open skies agreement between Australia and Singapore, QF can start a service from Singapore to Los Angeles if they want in competition with SIA. Whilst having a population of only 4.5 million Singapore is a major transit hub. QF are scared of losing their first and business class passengers to SIA if forced to compete on the Pacific. SIA are a premium airline in the process of a major cabin upgrade and will be increasing fares 10-20%, leaving the backpackers to QF and United.
I can't see Tiger on the Pacific run, doesn't fit with their low cost model. SYD-MEL does however, third busiest air route in the world after Madrid - Barcelona, and Sao Paulo - Rio de Janero.
Remember the days of the $30 SYD-MEL airfares ? Looks like they're coming back.
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Associated Press 23-01-2007
Earlier this month, Malaysian aviation tycoon Tony Fernandes launched budget carrier AirAsia X, which will start flying to destinations in China and Britain in July. Fernandes said he expects AirAsia X to carry 500,000 passengers in its first year of operations and eventually expand destinations in India, Europe and Australia. Average ticket prices will be about half the price of full service airlines, he said.
Earlier this month, Malaysian aviation tycoon Tony Fernandes launched budget carrier AirAsia X, which will start flying to destinations in China and Britain in July. Fernandes said he expects AirAsia X to carry 500,000 passengers in its first year of operations and eventually expand destinations in India, Europe and Australia. Average ticket prices will be about half the price of full service airlines, he said.
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Would you like to upsize that. Is this the new face of Australian Aviation?
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$135,000 for an A320 Capt, you've got to be joking.
That's less than their Singapore counterparts.
IF they do get crews at that rate the Singapore Tiger pilots better watch out. Mr Davis will crew all his aircraft with Aussi pilots.
That's less than their Singapore counterparts.
IF they do get crews at that rate the Singapore Tiger pilots better watch out. Mr Davis will crew all his aircraft with Aussi pilots.
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$135,000 for an A320 Capt, you've got to be joking.
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pprune strikes again...
Amazes me where all these so-called figures and "facts" come from. 
Tiger Mgt has not decided upon, let alone announced a pay package for the OZ op. Nor has anyone implied PER would be the base... So far its only been ppruners and journos thinking out loud.
Rumours may be rumours, but when ya really don't know, maybe its better to don't say...
I am sure we can all extrapolate the possibilities of Tiger SIN and OZ linking toger and with a regional(s), maybe even long haul low cost one day. But nobody knows, so why waste ones energy?
Tiger pays its SIN crews approx $185-200k pa SGD for CPTs and about $110-120k pa for F/O's (all in), and has quite a few Ozzies amongst them, (who may well take some OZ slots). Their crews were recently told the OZ deal will be very competitive, and yes - they know what Jetstar and VB pay.
Tiger learnt the hard way at the very start (2004) that unhappy and underpaid crews leave and can cause chaos in doing so. The new CEO fixed that ASAP and I doubt very much that they would risk the same again.
As for the low pay for 727 cargo crews. What does one expect? Apples and Oranges. Try hiring A320 crews these days, they don't grow on trees...
Tiger Mgt has not decided upon, let alone announced a pay package for the OZ op. Nor has anyone implied PER would be the base... So far its only been ppruners and journos thinking out loud.
Rumours may be rumours, but when ya really don't know, maybe its better to don't say...
I am sure we can all extrapolate the possibilities of Tiger SIN and OZ linking toger and with a regional(s), maybe even long haul low cost one day. But nobody knows, so why waste ones energy?
Tiger pays its SIN crews approx $185-200k pa SGD for CPTs and about $110-120k pa for F/O's (all in), and has quite a few Ozzies amongst them, (who may well take some OZ slots). Their crews were recently told the OZ deal will be very competitive, and yes - they know what Jetstar and VB pay.
Tiger learnt the hard way at the very start (2004) that unhappy and underpaid crews leave and can cause chaos in doing so. The new CEO fixed that ASAP and I doubt very much that they would risk the same again.
As for the low pay for 727 cargo crews. What does one expect? Apples and Oranges. Try hiring A320 crews these days, they don't grow on trees...
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Where does this leave Skywest? With Alliance and Ozjet competing (and winning) in their backyard for FIFO contracts; Tiger on the SIN-PER run soon (let alone SQ and QF) where can they deploy A320 equipment within or without Australia profitably? Economies of scale kick in pretty quickly. Also TD is (was?) on their board so hardly going to advocate competing with Tiger! Meanwhile the minnows are nibbling away from below witness the growth at Maroomba and Network.
Personnel wise there has been a small exodus from the top over the last year or two - Air North has XR's former CEO; Maroomba the Ops Manager; Alliance has the former Fleet Manager F100; and Tiger (interestingly) has their former Head of Training and Checking.
Personnel wise there has been a small exodus from the top over the last year or two - Air North has XR's former CEO; Maroomba the Ops Manager; Alliance has the former Fleet Manager F100; and Tiger (interestingly) has their former Head of Training and Checking.
Tiger Singapore pilots earn around S$130 000 F/O and S$200 000 CPT (AU$ 113 000/166 000) before very low income tax. Similar pay to Jetstar Asia.
Factor in the cost of an international move, expensive: rent, alcohol, cars, electricity. Private school, medical insurance, trips home etc all reduce the differential.
Expat life not for everyone. Married with two teenagers in the Australian school and an unhappy wife, probably better off back in Oz financially as well as personally. Single in Singapore on a high income = heaven
Not too bad a deal if they give a free endorsement in return for a bond. Get off the SAAB/DASH 8/BRAS, much better pay, good experience and quick upgrade. Move onto CX in 5 years time
Factor in the cost of an international move, expensive: rent, alcohol, cars, electricity. Private school, medical insurance, trips home etc all reduce the differential.
Expat life not for everyone. Married with two teenagers in the Australian school and an unhappy wife, probably better off back in Oz financially as well as personally. Single in Singapore on a high income = heaven
Not too bad a deal if they give a free endorsement in return for a bond. Get off the SAAB/DASH 8/BRAS, much better pay, good experience and quick upgrade. Move onto CX in 5 years time
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HQ in NT?
ABC Web SiteFriday, 16 February 2007. 18:31 (ACST)Minister meets with Tiger Airways over airline headquarters bidThe Northern Territory Tourism Minister has met with the head of Tiger Airways in a bid to make Darwin the budget airline's Australian headquarters.Tourism Minister Paul Henderson held preliminary talks with Tiger chief executive Tony Davis in Darwin today.A spokesman for the Minister says the discussion was constructive, but no firm commitments were made other than to meet again in the next few months.Alice Springs has been without a second airline since Virgin Blue pulled out of the region in 2005, despite the Territory Government providing $4 million in subsidies. The Member for MacDonnell, Alison Anderson, will not say whether her Government plans to offer similar enticements to Tiger Airways, but she is hoping people power will secure the Alice Springs route."That was a different circumstance with Virgin Blue and this is a different time and we as Territorians and people living in Alice Springs just want to welcome Tiger to Alice Springs," she said. "By getting people to vote online really gives us the opportunity, and I think it's healthy for business to have another airline and I think it gives us that opportunity to have cheaper travel."