Tiger A320s to operate domestic downunder?
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AJ & 3rd Party Work
Now there's something funny! When Jet* was being set up AJ wasn't enamoured with the operation having its own Engineering Division, he wanted to have a 3rd party supply that. Since moving from 14 717s to 23 A320s, adding a couple of floors to HO with countless more managers and analysts, there is still the same number of Gingerbeers as when it started. Big Q is the 3rd party in ADL and PER and AAES does heaps in MEL, meaning Jet* can't handle its own work let alone Tiger's. With the removal of Engineering Division from the AOC, making it a defacto contractor to Jet*, maybe all work will be 3rd party one day.
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If I were in Tiger management, I'd be tempted to choose two bases: Perth and Brisbane. One to service the Indian Ocean, one to service the Pacific. Both to service Asia and both to be the transition centres for code share and domestic ops and importantly, both with room to expand. Melbourne would be important domestically and Sydney would be the first destination of a two leg flight. VB has had the opportunity to provide a competitive match to Qantas through partnerships and code share and has squandered it. The pressure is on for them to expand fast now on the International front, but I think the horse has bolted.
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Personally I am not looking forward to the stripey pussy entering the Australian scene, particularly if they operate in the same way they appear to be in Asia.
I have had need to book clients into and out of Padang in Indo over the last few weeks.
Complaints have come rolling in over grubby aeroplanes, inside and out and poor or missing onboard service.
Another nice little trick if you are booking on their overstressed website is that if your port pair is Padang Jakarta, there is nothing visible on the website to indicate that the flight is operated by Awair International, one of the carriers I believe was named as a no go zone by the Australian Government. The only way to tell in their website was the QZ flight designator. Not many Asian cannon fodder will pick that up. particularly if they do not fly much at all.
The 6 passengers I currently have in Indo for humanitarian support efforts, and another I have there supervising work on his charterboat have been copping schedule changes all the time. I am well aware that this is a possibility in any airline, but with Tiger it is starting to appear endemic.
To be honest, Garuda is starting to looklike the first choice they were prior to the JOG disaster, and can probably retain or regain that position the hard way. The hard fact is the mess at JOG and the tragic loss of life was probably the only way to break down the endemic rigid pecking order in GA. One would now lose face to follow a regime that cause a big mistake rather than use common sense and do the right thing. We can only hope.
I'm sorry but Tiger needs to be quarantined, vetted and probably speyed before it is let loose on the housing commission suburbs of Oz.
If they enter the market, good luck. I wish them no ill will. I just hope their operation is many steps above what my clients have been reporting within Asia.
Totally sick of not being able to rely on an even-close-to operation and having late night reissues/rebooks onto real airlines I had left a heap of connecting time onto.
Super Chicken summed it up.
Fred you knew the job was dangerouse when you took it!!!
Best all
EWL
I have had need to book clients into and out of Padang in Indo over the last few weeks.
Complaints have come rolling in over grubby aeroplanes, inside and out and poor or missing onboard service.
Another nice little trick if you are booking on their overstressed website is that if your port pair is Padang Jakarta, there is nothing visible on the website to indicate that the flight is operated by Awair International, one of the carriers I believe was named as a no go zone by the Australian Government. The only way to tell in their website was the QZ flight designator. Not many Asian cannon fodder will pick that up. particularly if they do not fly much at all.
The 6 passengers I currently have in Indo for humanitarian support efforts, and another I have there supervising work on his charterboat have been copping schedule changes all the time. I am well aware that this is a possibility in any airline, but with Tiger it is starting to appear endemic.
To be honest, Garuda is starting to looklike the first choice they were prior to the JOG disaster, and can probably retain or regain that position the hard way. The hard fact is the mess at JOG and the tragic loss of life was probably the only way to break down the endemic rigid pecking order in GA. One would now lose face to follow a regime that cause a big mistake rather than use common sense and do the right thing. We can only hope.
I'm sorry but Tiger needs to be quarantined, vetted and probably speyed before it is let loose on the housing commission suburbs of Oz.
If they enter the market, good luck. I wish them no ill will. I just hope their operation is many steps above what my clients have been reporting within Asia.
Totally sick of not being able to rely on an even-close-to operation and having late night reissues/rebooks onto real airlines I had left a heap of connecting time onto.
Super Chicken summed it up.
Fred you knew the job was dangerouse when you took it!!!
Best all
EWL
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I hope there is room for a Launey layover...
God I miss the Starbar in Launey!
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Tiger_SIA OZ (from all accounts at CASA) will be totally autonomous from the other 3 Tigers_SIAs (apart from the cash flow and the A330/340s)
Therefore, the plethora of normal ex-Ansett folks floating around and ready to revive the Eastwest/Ansett halcyon days might just find a desirous oz market.
Some good old pride in the job, clean planes, problems fixed before the punters have a chance to walk and the BS left behind, might just shake things up a bit...
Give it a chance old mate. Asia and Oz are two different party animals and you may just make a few bucks...
EWL
Tiger_SIA OZ (from all accounts at CASA) will be totally autonomous from the other 3 Tigers_SIAs (apart from the cash flow and the A330/340s)
Therefore, the plethora of normal ex-Ansett folks floating around and ready to revive the Eastwest/Ansett halcyon days might just find a desirous oz market. Some good old pride in the job, clean planes, problems fixed before the punters have a chance to walk and the BS left behind, might just shake things up a bit...
Give it a chance old mate. Asia and Oz are two different party animals and you may just make a few bucks...
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Thanks for the clarification UNOME.
I am pleased to hear the operation has a degree of seperation.
We never write anything off. JQ is giving giving them a ready made market at the moment too. Heaps of peoples thoroughly urinated off with JQ because their web booking engine has developed serious "anomolies" and if you can get a booking made, you cannot finalise it.
If you have made a booking with them, go back into it.
The exit row seats have mysteriously been unblocked.
For those oamong us too young to understand the Super Chicken/Fred reference, go here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmCFQMxw2w4
Best all
EWL
I am pleased to hear the operation has a degree of seperation.
We never write anything off. JQ is giving giving them a ready made market at the moment too. Heaps of peoples thoroughly urinated off with JQ because their web booking engine has developed serious "anomolies" and if you can get a booking made, you cannot finalise it.
If you have made a booking with them, go back into it.
The exit row seats have mysteriously been unblocked.
For those oamong us too young to understand the Super Chicken/Fred reference, go here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmCFQMxw2w4
Best all
EWL
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Competition???
I just used the unmentionable word.
I flew up from Adelaide to Alice Springs this morning and was disgusted with the way the qantas checkin system worked.
There were very few people (three I think) manning the checkin desks, for all of the qantas flights and there was a huge que of pax moving very slowly. It took a whole hour to actually get bags checked, get a boarding pass, and walk to the gate.
It will not be hard for someone to steal these pax away form qantas.
I read that Tiger is looking to sell "franchises" within countries, and I hope someone does that and stirs this place up a bit.
I flew up from Adelaide to Alice Springs this morning and was disgusted with the way the qantas checkin system worked.
There were very few people (three I think) manning the checkin desks, for all of the qantas flights and there was a huge que of pax moving very slowly. It took a whole hour to actually get bags checked, get a boarding pass, and walk to the gate.
It will not be hard for someone to steal these pax away form qantas.
I read that Tiger is looking to sell "franchises" within countries, and I hope someone does that and stirs this place up a bit.
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Utopia
I can see it now ... *waves hands over the crystal ball*
Long turnarounds to maintain schedule intregity, no 30 minutes get em off get em on stuff
Generous luggage allowances, a place where excess charges do not exist, and certainly not this 15kgs concept
Oodles of ground staff ensuring your check-in wait time is kept to an absolute minimum
A perfectly functioning web booking system (but of course a well manned call centre for those wanting to do it the old fashioned way, or even scarier retail offices!!!)
Cleaners in droves ready and waiting to make those 320s sparkle during those long turnarounds
Quality meal service where everyone gets exactly what they want off the menu ... not a catering shortage to be seen
Perfect flight timings, none of this customer unfriendly back of clock nonsense ... don't want to work those 320s too hard anyway
Wages well and above that of DJ, JQ, QF, the lot ... a place where every employee is valued
A place where the sun is shining, trees are the greenest of green, bunny rabbits hop amongst the grass, children play happily in the warmth of the afternoon ...
And all for $9 one way AND profitable ... it will be bliss
Long turnarounds to maintain schedule intregity, no 30 minutes get em off get em on stuff
Generous luggage allowances, a place where excess charges do not exist, and certainly not this 15kgs concept
Oodles of ground staff ensuring your check-in wait time is kept to an absolute minimum
A perfectly functioning web booking system (but of course a well manned call centre for those wanting to do it the old fashioned way, or even scarier retail offices!!!)
Cleaners in droves ready and waiting to make those 320s sparkle during those long turnarounds
Quality meal service where everyone gets exactly what they want off the menu ... not a catering shortage to be seen
Perfect flight timings, none of this customer unfriendly back of clock nonsense ... don't want to work those 320s too hard anyway
Wages well and above that of DJ, JQ, QF, the lot ... a place where every employee is valued
A place where the sun is shining, trees are the greenest of green, bunny rabbits hop amongst the grass, children play happily in the warmth of the afternoon ...
And all for $9 one way AND profitable ... it will be bliss
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In the past I have travelled from Darwin to singapore bi-annually with QF.
Two things have changed, firstly QF doesn't fly Darwin - Singapore anymore, and prior to them ceasing that service I was JACKED off with the delays, lack of service etc. I tried Tiger and they, as a LCC, provided a better level of service than I got with QF J class.
You might laugh and say B/S. My last flight with QF four hours late, boarding they advised the entertainment system in J class was U/S. They had known for hours, hence the delay. Economy was fine, could have changed and sat there. As there was no entertainment the cabin service was kept to a minimum, food service 1 drink, then lights dim and CC hide.
I wrote to QF asking to refund the difference between business class and economy class FF points due above, response was, bad luck **** happens.
On the return, depart late and Captain advises during taxi problem with dunnies and may not be available for the first hour or so???
Now I travel Tiger and pay bugger all and get the service I expect and payfor!
Two things have changed, firstly QF doesn't fly Darwin - Singapore anymore, and prior to them ceasing that service I was JACKED off with the delays, lack of service etc. I tried Tiger and they, as a LCC, provided a better level of service than I got with QF J class.
You might laugh and say B/S. My last flight with QF four hours late, boarding they advised the entertainment system in J class was U/S. They had known for hours, hence the delay. Economy was fine, could have changed and sat there. As there was no entertainment the cabin service was kept to a minimum, food service 1 drink, then lights dim and CC hide.
I wrote to QF asking to refund the difference between business class and economy class FF points due above, response was, bad luck **** happens.
On the return, depart late and Captain advises during taxi problem with dunnies and may not be available for the first hour or so???
Now I travel Tiger and pay bugger all and get the service I expect and payfor!
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CL - Travel insurance pays obscene commission levels - try 45% which is why I always discount 20% to PpRuNers.
Not pushing GA at all, however when you have a lot of traffic into and out of Padang then your choices are limited. You have the wonderful selection of Garuda (who made a beeg ole booboo - and lets us not mention the spare parts fest formerly known as Oscar Juliet Hotel - I am not a hull loss I am a 747!) or Adam Air, Awair or Lion.
Lion and Adam have a fairly good short term record for creating paperwork as well.
I think I would much rather fly GA if it came to the push and shove. The only major thing I can see at fault here is pilot/FO attitude which will no doubt be put under serious pressure because of the JOG catastrophe.
Maybe they need to get a little less Indocentric (new word warning- check your browsers!!) and allow even more Aussie/Kiwi/Brit/Yank drivers in to break the local culture that does not work. The days that have been where Daddy is a General and therefore his son can fly for Garuda (if he can pass in ADL) must be chucked out backwards. The rest of the beast is performing rather well.
Reality checks kill people. Damned shame and major tragedy. They also make changes that save many more down the line.
Best all
EWL
Not pushing GA at all, however when you have a lot of traffic into and out of Padang then your choices are limited. You have the wonderful selection of Garuda (who made a beeg ole booboo - and lets us not mention the spare parts fest formerly known as Oscar Juliet Hotel - I am not a hull loss I am a 747!) or Adam Air, Awair or Lion.
Lion and Adam have a fairly good short term record for creating paperwork as well.
I think I would much rather fly GA if it came to the push and shove. The only major thing I can see at fault here is pilot/FO attitude which will no doubt be put under serious pressure because of the JOG catastrophe.
Maybe they need to get a little less Indocentric (new word warning- check your browsers!!) and allow even more Aussie/Kiwi/Brit/Yank drivers in to break the local culture that does not work. The days that have been where Daddy is a General and therefore his son can fly for Garuda (if he can pass in ADL) must be chucked out backwards. The rest of the beast is performing rather well.
Reality checks kill people. Damned shame and major tragedy. They also make changes that save many more down the line.
Best all
EWL
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How dare you rubbish the Jet* Web Booking. Don't you know that this was set up,and is maintained by one of AJ's favourite sons. He can walk on water no less! Mind you, the fact it doesn't work too well is a minor point. If the public think they are going to be treated any differently to any other user of Jet* IT they are sadly mistaken.
How dare you rubbish the Jet* Web Booking. Don't you know that this was set up,and is maintained by one of AJ's favourite sons. He can walk on water no less! Mind you, the fact it doesn't work too well is a minor point. If the public think they are going to be treated any differently to any other user of Jet* IT they are sadly mistaken.