Qantas plane forced back to Sydney
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it amazes me, that certain posters believe 767,s do not have fuel dump availalibility.
er... no-one has said that that NO 767 can dump fuel. What they have said is .. "some can, some can't".
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With respect to the dueling over 767 capabilities, people just don't seem to be paying attention to what is being written.
What Airsupport has been saying seems pretty well OK to me. "Immediate return" does not mean running down the cabin screaming "we're going to die" (OK, literary licence there) .. It just means - "let's land". As he said, some 767 aircraft don't have dump capability, and as far as I can remember, no 767 has the capability to dump to Max Landing Weight when at its Max Takeoff Weight.
Back to the topic ....
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What Airsupport has been saying seems pretty well OK to me. "Immediate return" does not mean running down the cabin screaming "we're going to die" (OK, literary licence there) .. It just means - "let's land". As he said, some 767 aircraft don't have dump capability, and as far as I can remember, no 767 has the capability to dump to Max Landing Weight when at its Max Takeoff Weight.
Back to the topic ....
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Has the 74 maintenance been farmed overseas yet? And if so, has this one had anything done to it recently??
Punters = Happy.
Engineers = Happy.
Crew = Happy.
Shareholders = Elated.
*** In all seriousness, bravo to the crew. Another days work.
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a 744 2 wks had a problem in flight due to a large banging sound and the cabin filling wlth dust or mist,which had to return back to Sydney due to structual integrity concerns(VH -OED who sister aircraft VH -OEC had a large crack in the crown which was found during a D check in Syd HM),and now another aircraft had to make a return due to an engine malfucntion,this is becoming a concern with Syd HM only being shut down less than a year ago,what nexted.
BA did a similliar thing over ten yrs ago with shutting down it's main base and then returning it's maint back in house,because the outsourcing option didn't work,you would of thought QF would have learned from this mistake
BA did a similliar thing over ten yrs ago with shutting down it's main base and then returning it's maint back in house,because the outsourcing option didn't work,you would of thought QF would have learned from this mistake
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Yeah no doubt we will read an article by Steve Creedy that that particular engines maintenance was outsourced to a russian diesel mechanic somewhere in upper mongolia hence why the engine "exploded" and landed on the beach at manly narrowly missing half of the barmy army, following this the jet was briefly upside down, passengers were screaming and running up and down the aisles, smoke was seen coming from the stricken airliner which "barely" made it back to Sydney.
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744 fire.
Just saw the news with images of the 744 with some flames coming out of the engines.
The footage began, not as the flames were noticed, but right from the aircraft rolling on the runway to beyond airborne. Here the flames were then noticed.
Let's take a step back for a minute. Qantas have a good case here I think Here is some bloke, filming the ground roll, rotation, etc etc, however, he is not adhearing to Qantas' safety requirements of being a passenger onboard the aircraft. Whatever happened to, "please ensure all electrical equipment onboard the aircraft, is now switched off"? 
Just my fiddy cents.
The footage began, not as the flames were noticed, but right from the aircraft rolling on the runway to beyond airborne. Here the flames were then noticed.
Let's take a step back for a minute. Qantas have a good case here I think
Here is some bloke, filming the ground roll, rotation, etc etc, however, he is not adhearing to Qantas' safety requirements of being a passenger onboard the aircraft. Whatever happened to, "please ensure all electrical equipment onboard the aircraft, is now switched off"? Just my fiddy cents.
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oh and Steve, stop 
press - if you could add to the article that the engine "explosion" was no doubt caused by someone using a hand held video-cam in the cabin prior to the seat belt sign being turned off - just to make sure journalistic integrity is really thriving in the Murdoch empire.
press - if you could add to the article that the engine "explosion" was no doubt caused by someone using a hand held video-cam in the cabin prior to the seat belt sign being turned off - just to make sure journalistic integrity is really thriving in the Murdoch empire.
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I liked the woman witness on Sky News - flames, followed by three "booms".
Air to air missile launches perhaps??
At least they didn't belabour their viewers with the professional, competent opinion of Joe Average in cattle class and his theory that thousands of lives were in danger!
Air to air missile launches perhaps??
At least they didn't belabour their viewers with the professional, competent opinion of Joe Average in cattle class and his theory that thousands of lives were in danger!
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Has the 74 maintenance been farmed overseas yet? And if so, has this one had anything done to it recently??
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...from the Bass Strait Times:
"A disgruntled member of the Balmy Army has been arrested on Bondi Beach and charged with offences under the Terrorism Act. Witnesses on the beach reported seeing a man in a white and red shirt firing a shoulder-launched Ground-to-Air missile at a passing QANTAS jet screaming "Warny you ... ...how's this for a Flipper!!".
Bathers at Bondi were screaming hysterically as the QANTAS Airbus exploded in mid-air then turned back for an uncontrolled emergency crash-landing at Sydney Airport. No dead bodies have been recovered from the crash site."
"A disgruntled member of the Balmy Army has been arrested on Bondi Beach and charged with offences under the Terrorism Act. Witnesses on the beach reported seeing a man in a white and red shirt firing a shoulder-launched Ground-to-Air missile at a passing QANTAS jet screaming "Warny you
... ...how's this for a Flipper!!". Bathers at Bondi were screaming hysterically as the QANTAS Airbus exploded in mid-air then turned back for an uncontrolled emergency crash-landing at Sydney Airport. No dead bodies have been recovered from the crash site."
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Quote:
"Walking down at Manly and a Qantas 747 400 made a loud bang a few times. Its was low about 3000 or 4000 feet and looked heavy. "
How does one 747 look more heavy than the next one?
Don't they all look heavy?
Or did it have man-boobs?
"Walking down at Manly and a Qantas 747 400 made a loud bang a few times. Its was low about 3000 or 4000 feet and looked heavy. "
How does one 747 look more heavy than the next one?
Don't they all look heavy?
Or did it have man-boobs?
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Let's congratulate the Sydney RR Centre of Excellence - a blue ribbon effort.
A fine example of the new engine line standard. Oh .... and of course the maintenance is done in Australia. Maintenance overseen and lead by a management team focused only on quality ....... at a competitive cost. Well, how much did this episode cost?
Anyone have an idea of the kind of costs, direct or indirect, an airline would incur here? Maintenance, staffing, reallocations, hotels, fuel, reactionaries .. etc etc etc?
A fine example of the new engine line standard. Oh .... and of course the maintenance is done in Australia. Maintenance overseen and lead by a management team focused only on quality ....... at a competitive cost. Well, how much did this episode cost?
Anyone have an idea of the kind of costs, direct or indirect, an airline would incur here? Maintenance, staffing, reallocations, hotels, fuel, reactionaries .. etc etc etc?
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<calculator>
270 Pax one overnight hotel @ $100 = $27,000
New Crew = 20 ppl * 14 hours @ $80/hour average = $22,400
Fuel 60 tonnes @ .8 density approx =75000 litres @ say 0.90/litre = $67,500
Additional ground services for unscheduled return $2000
landing Fees & Nav charges say $15,000
Inspecting removing replacing engine, say, $12,000
Fixing broken engine, say... $250,000
OK, OK, Say $5,250,000!
Captain's and first officer's underpants replaced $30 nah, $120...if the engines getting that much attention, give 'em a couple pairs, and make 'em Calvins!
Tea & bickies with CP $250
Tech crew time responding to the inevitable enquiry $10,000
PR flack deflection spin doctors $12,000
Brand damage $1M (guess)
... to maybe $100M??
Total: $6,418,270 - $105,418,270 (approx range)
Look on Darth's Face: Priceless.
</calculator>
270 Pax one overnight hotel @ $100 = $27,000
New Crew = 20 ppl * 14 hours @ $80/hour average = $22,400
Fuel 60 tonnes @ .8 density approx =75000 litres @ say 0.90/litre = $67,500
Additional ground services for unscheduled return $2000
landing Fees & Nav charges say $15,000
Inspecting removing replacing engine, say, $12,000
Fixing broken engine, say... $250,000
OK, OK, Say $5,250,000!
Captain's and first officer's underpants replaced $30 nah, $120...if the engines getting that much attention, give 'em a couple pairs, and make 'em Calvins!
Tea & bickies with CP $250
Tech crew time responding to the inevitable enquiry $10,000
PR flack deflection spin doctors $12,000
Brand damage $1M (guess)
... to maybe $100M??
Total: $6,418,270 - $105,418,270 (approx range)
Look on Darth's Face: Priceless.
</calculator>
Last edited by VH-Cheer Up; 5th Feb 2007 at 11:54. Reason: More detailed quotes just arrived from RR Outsourcing Dept, Monrovia, Liberia and the prices had to be revised upwards...
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Cheerie,
I love the gag, but really $250K to fix a Roller, I am not an expert on this topic but it sounds like just the deposit not the total bill.
Love ya work tho'..........darths face....priceless!
I love the gag, but really $250K to fix a Roller, I am not an expert on this topic but it sounds like just the deposit not the total bill.
Love ya work tho'..........darths face....priceless!
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I am not an expert, but I think you may have underestimated the brand damage slightly also.
Still priceless.
Still priceless.
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Nice work Cheer-up
Priceless.
The effected engine N3 siezed. Compressor rooted
Big bickies and much worse the turbine saw over 900 Deg C for a while whch means hardness testing / fail test of turbine disks.
If you could fix this engine for 250 K you would get a big girlie kiss from the board of directors.
Priceless.
The effected engine N3 siezed. Compressor rooted
Big bickies and much worse the turbine saw over 900 Deg C for a while whch means hardness testing / fail test of turbine disks.
If you could fix this engine for 250 K you would get a big girlie kiss from the board of directors.