New Airline Picks...not Melbourne, but You Know Where...
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New Airline Picks...not Melbourne, but You Know Where...
Melbourne-centric/Gilligan: calm down, calm down - your anger is doing nothing other than taking a few more minutes off your life at the other end. As well as giving us great mirth!
New airline picks Sydney
Scott Rochfort (The Sydney Morning Herald)
January 23, 2007
ETIHAD Airways, the first foreign airline to be granted access to Australia in more than a year, has chosen Sydney as its first port of call, sparking further outrage from Melbourne and Brisbane Airports, which claim they are facing a "capacity crunch".
Major international airlines have continued to scale back services to the two airports and chosen to concentrate on Sydney while the Federal Government has refused access to airlines that want to lift services to the other eastern capitals.
Brisbane and Melbourne airports now have stepped up their calls for the Federal Government to grant foreign carriers such as Emirates and Qatar more access into Australia.
Brisbane Airport has warned the crisis will be compounded by Singapore Airlines' plans to scale back capacity this April."We're facing a capacity crunch," said Brisbane Airport spokesman Jim Carden.
Despite the airports reporting record international passenger numbers, they have suffered a fall in available airline seats over the past year. There are concerns demand could soon outstrip supply on some routes, angering tourism bodies which claim the lack of capacity is constraining visitor numbers.
"It's not about Open Skies, it's about meeting the demand that is there and is forecast," Mr Carden said.
Singapore Airlines blamed cuts to its Brisbane services - from three to two a day - on delays in the delivery of the A380 superjumbo. The airline said it had "fewer available aircraft than we had planned for this period".
Malaysia Airlines also plans to redirect its flights to Brisbane through Sydney in March, further cutting capacity into the city.
The cuts in Singapore and Malaysia Airlines capacity will come on top of the eight per cent cut in available international seats into Brisbane Airport in the 12 months to April.
Melbourne Airport, meanwhile, faces the loss of Austrian Airlines this March. British Airways withdrew last year.
While Melbourne has experienced a drop in the number of planes, passenger numbers were up as a higher percentage of seats were being filled.
Melbourne Airport reported a 3 per cent lift in international passengers in the December quarter.
Queensland Tourism Industry Council chief executive Daniel Gschwind said: "There certainly has been a perception lately that the load factors are very high, that occupancy is better than ever.
"Concerns are arising that we may not be able to accommodate the growth [in visitors]," he said.
But Sydney Airport, which now handles more than 45 per cent of international arrivals into Australia, has steered clear of the debate.
The Federal Government is due to hold talks with Emirates in March, in which the airline will press for a doubling of its flights to 98 a week in phases. "We need additional flights to accommodate Australia's growth potential," said an Emirates spokesman.
"We are looking forward to the negotiations between Dubai and Australia where our plan to help grow Australia's tourism exports will be on the table."
The Qatar Government is also due to hold talks. It was refused flights into Melbourne last year.
New airline picks Sydney
Scott Rochfort (The Sydney Morning Herald)
January 23, 2007
ETIHAD Airways, the first foreign airline to be granted access to Australia in more than a year, has chosen Sydney as its first port of call, sparking further outrage from Melbourne and Brisbane Airports, which claim they are facing a "capacity crunch".
Major international airlines have continued to scale back services to the two airports and chosen to concentrate on Sydney while the Federal Government has refused access to airlines that want to lift services to the other eastern capitals.
Brisbane and Melbourne airports now have stepped up their calls for the Federal Government to grant foreign carriers such as Emirates and Qatar more access into Australia.
Brisbane Airport has warned the crisis will be compounded by Singapore Airlines' plans to scale back capacity this April."We're facing a capacity crunch," said Brisbane Airport spokesman Jim Carden.
Despite the airports reporting record international passenger numbers, they have suffered a fall in available airline seats over the past year. There are concerns demand could soon outstrip supply on some routes, angering tourism bodies which claim the lack of capacity is constraining visitor numbers.
"It's not about Open Skies, it's about meeting the demand that is there and is forecast," Mr Carden said.
Singapore Airlines blamed cuts to its Brisbane services - from three to two a day - on delays in the delivery of the A380 superjumbo. The airline said it had "fewer available aircraft than we had planned for this period".
Malaysia Airlines also plans to redirect its flights to Brisbane through Sydney in March, further cutting capacity into the city.
The cuts in Singapore and Malaysia Airlines capacity will come on top of the eight per cent cut in available international seats into Brisbane Airport in the 12 months to April.
Melbourne Airport, meanwhile, faces the loss of Austrian Airlines this March. British Airways withdrew last year.
While Melbourne has experienced a drop in the number of planes, passenger numbers were up as a higher percentage of seats were being filled.
Melbourne Airport reported a 3 per cent lift in international passengers in the December quarter.
Queensland Tourism Industry Council chief executive Daniel Gschwind said: "There certainly has been a perception lately that the load factors are very high, that occupancy is better than ever.
"Concerns are arising that we may not be able to accommodate the growth [in visitors]," he said.
But Sydney Airport, which now handles more than 45 per cent of international arrivals into Australia, has steered clear of the debate.
The Federal Government is due to hold talks with Emirates in March, in which the airline will press for a doubling of its flights to 98 a week in phases. "We need additional flights to accommodate Australia's growth potential," said an Emirates spokesman.
"We are looking forward to the negotiations between Dubai and Australia where our plan to help grow Australia's tourism exports will be on the table."
The Qatar Government is also due to hold talks. It was refused flights into Melbourne last year.
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Golly Sunfish, it looks like it's not only Qantas who giving mel the flick.
Mate it looks like gilligan's island is getting smaller by the day..I reckon if even ansett was still around they would give it a miss too.
Mate it looks like gilligan's island is getting smaller by the day..I reckon if even ansett was still around they would give it a miss too.
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while the Federal Government has refused access to airlines that want to lift services to the other eastern capitals.
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Frankly the ONLY airlines that Melbourne, my favourite City in the whole world,
should accept are the likes of BOAC, PAN AM, SWISSAIR, AIR FRANCE, SAS, LUFTHANSA, EL AL, CATHAY, AIR INDIA, OLYMPIC, ALITALIA, QANTAS and AIR NEW ZEALAND.
All the rest are just arrivistes.
should accept are the likes of BOAC, PAN AM, SWISSAIR, AIR FRANCE, SAS, LUFTHANSA, EL AL, CATHAY, AIR INDIA, OLYMPIC, ALITALIA, QANTAS and AIR NEW ZEALAND.All the rest are just arrivistes.
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President Sunfish of Bonnydoon Yacht club and bait shop
I believe that sunfish’s lack of response is because he is at his Yacht club doing some networking with other high level economists.
That is the Bonnydoon Yacht Club nestled between the high voltage towers and I believe the carp on the luncheon menu is excellent.
That is the Bonnydoon Yacht Club nestled between the high voltage towers and I believe the carp on the luncheon menu is excellent.
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It seems Buster was the only one to read the original post!
If that is indeed the case, questions should be asked...
PS: This ones going straight to the pool room...
If that is indeed the case, questions should be asked...
PS: This ones going straight to the pool room...
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I would have thought it in the National interest to have a good spread of International services/carriers throughout the country. Sydney is one of the most congested airports in the world. It is also the most populous of all Australian cities in the most populous state. For these reasons, and because of its notoriety out of Australia, Sydney tops the list when it comes to the punters. However, the imbalance is not good, nor is Sydney's congestion well known congestion.
To spread the dollars around and to ease the congestion, the Aust Govt should allow other carriers in, but only to the points other than Sydney. Like, how many foreigners want to operate to/from Adelaide? They can be counted on one hand. Perth and Brisbane aren't much better served but Brisbane is better off than Perth and Adelaide. The foreigners want to come to Sydney as that's where the money is for them - they are certainly not interested in Australian tourism despite their spin.
To spread the dollars around and to ease the congestion, the Aust Govt should allow other carriers in, but only to the points other than Sydney. Like, how many foreigners want to operate to/from Adelaide? They can be counted on one hand. Perth and Brisbane aren't much better served but Brisbane is better off than Perth and Adelaide. The foreigners want to come to Sydney as that's where the money is for them - they are certainly not interested in Australian tourism despite their spin.
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Ron and Edna and Lowerlobe, I love your attempts at Ad Hominem attacks, so charming and well thought out.
If you had a brain Lowerlobe, you would know that Eildon is just about empty and the only yachts at Bonnie Doon are trailbikes at the moment.
You should be aware that this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to interstate rivalry over this matter, I am not alone in my beliefs and there is considerable evidence accumulating in various quarters to back up the contentions made by me, other interested parties and politicians.
We are fast coming to the conclusoin that if QF won't change its practices in the national interest, then it needs to be exposed to the blowtorch of unfettered competition. Then we will see if anyone really wants to fly to your rat infested dungheap and wait on the ground for three hours to reboard for their final destinations.
As for Etihad, I will go out on a limb and guess that they are flying to Sydney only because they need to get their aircraft maintained by Qantas, and that is the only place they can do it.
If you had a brain Lowerlobe, you would know that Eildon is just about empty and the only yachts at Bonnie Doon are trailbikes at the moment.
You should be aware that this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to interstate rivalry over this matter, I am not alone in my beliefs and there is considerable evidence accumulating in various quarters to back up the contentions made by me, other interested parties and politicians.
We are fast coming to the conclusoin that if QF won't change its practices in the national interest, then it needs to be exposed to the blowtorch of unfettered competition. Then we will see if anyone really wants to fly to your rat infested dungheap and wait on the ground for three hours to reboard for their final destinations.
As for Etihad, I will go out on a limb and guess that they are flying to Sydney only because they need to get their aircraft maintained by Qantas, and that is the only place they can do it.
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Ha …Ha….Ha..Sunfish..I mean Gilligan…I find it hilarious that you say if I had a brain I would know about the drought.This shows AGAIN your lack of perception of your posts and this issue.It is the issue of you being a tosser by telling us you were going to the yacht club that caused me to joke about a scene from a great Australian movie.A few others got the joke but not you.
As for the rest of your post it smacks of the same unsubstantiated delusional manure that you usually vomit up.
Quote “ I am not alone in my beliefs and there is considerable evidence accumulating in various quarters to back up the contentions made by me, other interested parties and politicians.”……..
Again the same ..I am not alone….I have friends……There are others…other economists…
It’s all the same as you never post the authors or sources to support these fictional theories of yours.The post which this thread is based on shows the reasons for Sydney getting the number of flights it does.
What does the rest of the world see when they see pics of Australia from tourism sources.
Sydney Harbour…
Opera House…
Bondi….
Sydney Skyline…
Sydney Harbour Bridge..
The Rocks Area…
Blue Mountains…
Northern Beaches
Etc….etc…
What has Melbourne got ,let me think….the Puffing Billy steam train…fair enough….ummm…The Tennis (when it’s on)…..Phillip Island and the Penguin parade…yep the kids and overseas tourists love this one…ummmm…Melbourne skyline…sorry only joking..Westgate Bridge..umm don’t think so...thats about it…..Any other attractions and might as well fly to Sydney because they are closer.
However the biggest part of your belief is that Qantas has to go because you blame it for the demise of Ansett and you base all of your arguments on that.You are willing to have 30,000 people lose their jobs and the resulting economic chaos not too mention social impact just to satisfy your hatred and jealousy …..pal you need help
As for the rest of your post it smacks of the same unsubstantiated delusional manure that you usually vomit up.
Quote “ I am not alone in my beliefs and there is considerable evidence accumulating in various quarters to back up the contentions made by me, other interested parties and politicians.”……..
Again the same ..I am not alone….I have friends……There are others…other economists…
It’s all the same as you never post the authors or sources to support these fictional theories of yours.The post which this thread is based on shows the reasons for Sydney getting the number of flights it does.
What does the rest of the world see when they see pics of Australia from tourism sources.
Sydney Harbour…
Opera House…
Bondi….
Sydney Skyline…
Sydney Harbour Bridge..
The Rocks Area…
Blue Mountains…
Northern Beaches
Etc….etc…
What has Melbourne got ,let me think….the Puffing Billy steam train…fair enough….ummm…The Tennis (when it’s on)…..Phillip Island and the Penguin parade…yep the kids and overseas tourists love this one…ummmm…Melbourne skyline…sorry only joking..Westgate Bridge..umm don’t think so...thats about it…..Any other attractions and might as well fly to Sydney because they are closer.
However the biggest part of your belief is that Qantas has to go because you blame it for the demise of Ansett and you base all of your arguments on that.You are willing to have 30,000 people lose their jobs and the resulting economic chaos not too mention social impact just to satisfy your hatred and jealousy …..pal you need help
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Ayers Rock/Olgas
Great Barrier Reef
Kakadu
Bungle Bungles
Kings Canyon
Shark Bay
Barossa Valley
Margaret River Region
All more than 1500 klms from Sydney!
My understanding is that the top four tourist destinations in Australia are (in no particular order)...
Opera House/Harbour Bridge
Ayres Rock/Olgas
Great Barrier Reef
Phillip Island Penguin Parade.
As you can see they are well spread out amongst the states.
I suspect the main reason for the majority of flights originating/terminating in Sydney is simply population based, not to mention it is perfectly positioned between the next two largest cities, makes for a great start/finishing point really!
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Are you joking Howard!
No one knows about the Bl00dy penguins!
I like MEL but foreign tourists are simply not interested in going there!
I have spoken to countless thousands of our pax and they have all given MEL the thumbs down.
I know the MEL people will hate hearing this but its the truth, QF and the Other airlines all know this.
Sunfish Im not from SYD but your posts are seriously disturbing!
Scary mate I certainlly hope your never on one of my flights!
How can anyone hate a city and population of 4 million people so much as you do!
No one knows about the Bl00dy penguins!
I like MEL but foreign tourists are simply not interested in going there!
I have spoken to countless thousands of our pax and they have all given MEL the thumbs down.
I know the MEL people will hate hearing this but its the truth, QF and the Other airlines all know this.
Sunfish Im not from SYD but your posts are seriously disturbing!
Scary mate I certainlly hope your never on one of my flights!
How can anyone hate a city and population of 4 million people so much as you do!
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I have spoken to countless thousands of our pax and they have all given MEL the thumbs down
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Here we go!
People will only hear what they want to and ignore the rest!
No buster, I shouldn't even have to justify this.
When I speak to the pax, ( we CC do on occasion do that!) i ask them how they liked Australia and their perception and where they would go back to!
Sorry to tell you 99% of the times people give MEL the thumbs down, they dont like it, didn't like the climate, see nothing that they thought was different and see no value in going down there.
The yanks really have a negative impression on it.
I have done the QF93 and 94 many times and its mainly full of ex pats, AUS nationals or transit pax.
Clear enough!
People will only hear what they want to and ignore the rest!
No buster, I shouldn't even have to justify this.
When I speak to the pax, ( we CC do on occasion do that!) i ask them how they liked Australia and their perception and where they would go back to!
Sorry to tell you 99% of the times people give MEL the thumbs down, they dont like it, didn't like the climate, see nothing that they thought was different and see no value in going down there.
The yanks really have a negative impression on it.
I have done the QF93 and 94 many times and its mainly full of ex pats, AUS nationals or transit pax.
Clear enough!
Evertonian
Oh yeah! Well, I spoke to two Spanish tennis players in the Gym just 20mins ago & they love the place, can't be here often enough they said! I would've gotten more from them but they don't speak English.
Anyway, my Mum has spoken to millions of people around the globe and, roughly, seven Martians & they all rave about the place.
Okay, okay...I give in. As QF93 & 94 are the only flights to Melbourne now, I'll concede defeat...you're right, it's a hole.
Anyway, my Mum has spoken to millions of people around the globe and, roughly, seven Martians & they all rave about the place.
Okay, okay...I give in. As QF93 & 94 are the only flights to Melbourne now, I'll concede defeat...you're right, it's a hole.