Wats happening to QANTAS perth
When you live....
Reasonable - as will be the test applied in any court case - will involve Qantas listing your previous OT history and demonstrating that it is now significantly less.
Unless you can prove some other change in circumstances that explains it then they'll win easily.
Be careful guys!
UTR.
Unless you can prove some other change in circumstances that explains it then they'll win easily.
Be careful guys!
UTR.
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Hang on to your hats!
Now that the test case is well under way in PER, ACS management appear to have mustered up the bravado to mount an all out attack on MEL. 
After having an in principle draft agreement between the company and an ALAEA supported negotiating team, HR have stuck their beak in and inserted a non-negotiable 4 week termination of agreement clause into the document.
Of course the ALAEA opposed this and withdrew their endorsement, subsequnetly the company has withdrawn from the agreement and are "reviewing their position".
Dare I say it but here comes the 8 hour shift boys.
I save the term Cee U Next Tuesday for special occasions, this is one of these occasions for an apt desription of the imcumbant ACS management.
After having an in principle draft agreement between the company and an ALAEA supported negotiating team, HR have stuck their beak in and inserted a non-negotiable 4 week termination of agreement clause into the document.
Of course the ALAEA opposed this and withdrew their endorsement, subsequnetly the company has withdrawn from the agreement and are "reviewing their position".
Dare I say it but here comes the 8 hour shift boys.
I save the term Cee U Next Tuesday for special occasions, this is one of these occasions for an apt desription of the imcumbant ACS management.
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Loving the 8 hour shift
To tell the truth,I just love it!!!!
Is this 8 hour roster the worst thing that can happen?
NO
OK,maybe I miss the 4 day breaks,but getting off in the middle of the day now allows me more time to get things done around the house and to pick the kids up from school and sometimes cook the dinner.
And as for the late starts e.g. 1930-0330,well I can now have dinner at home, and then enjoy the whole next day before returning to work.
And as for the pay drop?Well this is the first pay,and boy if that is as bad as it gets without doing O/T,well me and my family can live with that.
Although I do feel for those blokes who live way out.
If this is how M wants us uncooperative,rebel LAMEs to suffer,well I must be weird,because I no longer feel fatigued before or after shift.In fact, I can't believe how good I feel everyday I turn up.And if it was so bad,then why are some of the newly formed crews having bonding sessions with days out to the pub,golfing days,etc?
So far this is a winner for the majority of LAMEs,and the company will have trouble getting the required numbers to get ANY extended shift patterns back in.
Thanks QE
Merry Christmas to ALL
The original reason for the twelve hour shift was because almost everyone was collecting four hours of overtime, and the taxman was then taking at least half of that extra money. This in effect ment that people were working 60 hour weeks with only two days off. LAMES at Ansett at least had decided by 1980 that it just wasn't worth it.
They put the 12 hour idea to me back in about 1980, it looked like a win/win to us, the only loser being the tax man. I dutifully carried it up the tree, but Abeles made it quite clear that he wasn't going to be the one to break the sanctity of the "Eight hour Day" for obvious reasons and the proposal died.
I would suggest that the Eight hour shift is all about coverage and flexibility for management, not about money. You are "at the office" an extra day and are therefore available to work extra overtime if required, thus allowing the management to get by with less staff by working you harder....................
...Or something like that, you guys no more about the details than I do.
They put the 12 hour idea to me back in about 1980, it looked like a win/win to us, the only loser being the tax man. I dutifully carried it up the tree, but Abeles made it quite clear that he wasn't going to be the one to break the sanctity of the "Eight hour Day" for obvious reasons and the proposal died.
I would suggest that the Eight hour shift is all about coverage and flexibility for management, not about money. You are "at the office" an extra day and are therefore available to work extra overtime if required, thus allowing the management to get by with less staff by working you harder....................
...Or something like that, you guys no more about the details than I do.
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yes -you will never find a finer bunch of hero's than the men from base camp-
"yeh guys-you want to do the phased A chks on the NG fleet-come on over we know you will do them for nothing"
when there is trouble around the port's -base camp's hand picked rapid reaction force will be there-just don't forget those knive's boy's so you can wedge them in deeper
Never let the truth get in the way of good old fashioned muck raking hey Soldier? The only guys from "base camp" (as you so eloquently put it) who have ventured west of the Alice recently, were in Perth to fix a rudder defect. Now this might seem somewhat unpalatable to you and a small gaggle of other like minded people, however the basic facts of the matter are as follows (I will be brief so as not to confuse you);
There are many tasks of a technical nature that many line station engineers are either unwilling or unable to tackle.
It is now and has allways been the norm for the "Base Camp" engineers to perform these taks where evr they may occur so they may be accomplished with a minimum of fuss.
These tasks crop up from time to time.
They always have and always will (airplanes break)
Don't sling mud at the Syd Base Guys, they were not transiting aircraft in lieu of Perth blokes.
Pull your head in.
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There are many tasks of a technical nature that many line station engineers are either unwilling or unable to tackle.
It is now and has allways been the norm for the "Base Camp" engineers to perform these taks where evr they may occur so they may be accomplished with a minimum of fuss.
These tasks crop up from time to time.
It is now and has allways been the norm for the "Base Camp" engineers to perform these taks where evr they may occur so they may be accomplished with a minimum of fuss.
These tasks crop up from time to time.
A yaw damper ? I don't think so !!
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Rudder ratio actually, but never the less this is not uncommon. Especially if the job entails operating at heights or specialist equipment. The OH&S nazzis have seen to that.
Despite what you may think sickofqf, out stations seem to have a different interpretation of "big" or "highly complex" jobs but that is not what we are discussing here. Irrespective of local disquiet these guys would still have been sent to rectify the defect. If as you are implying this is a routine task carried out in Perth, then why did the locals not take the opportunity to dive into the task and make sure they took their time to aquit it in a leasurly fashion observing necessary shift handover briefings etc.....
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Because that's not the sort of work done there
Lay off Syd Base, no one there has done anything to undermine the Perth guys.
Despite what you may think sickofqf, out stations seem to have a different interpretation of "big" or "highly complex" jobs but that is not what we are discussing here. Irrespective of local disquiet these guys would still have been sent to rectify the defect. If as you are implying this is a routine task carried out in Perth, then why did the locals not take the opportunity to dive into the task and make sure they took their time to aquit it in a leasurly fashion observing necessary shift handover briefings etc.....
?Because that's not the sort of work done there
Lay off Syd Base, no one there has done anything to undermine the Perth guys.
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Non technical !
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I]There are many tasks of a technical nature that many line station engineers are either unwilling or unable to tackle.
It is now and has allways been the norm for the "Base Camp" engineers to perform these taks where evr they may occur so they may be accomplished with a minimum of fuss.
These tasks crop up from time to time.[/I]
Flying in a bug smasher to non-maintenace port then fixing broken aircraft must not require any technical skill then!!!! Maybe “Base Camp” brothers should go and help out the unable/unwilling perth line enginners bring the AOG aircraft back.
out stations seem to have a different interpretation of "big" or "highly complex"
When outstation enginners are not being “rescued” by their “Base Camp” brothers they can manage all manner of non technical tasks like HMU’s, Rudder PCU’s, spoiler actuators an a wide array of non technical “Black Boxes”.
Work cover WA even issues them with Elevated Work Platform Licenses to get to some of the non technical tasks.
routine task carried out in Perth, then why did the locals not take the opportunity to dive into the task and make sure they took their time to aquit it in a leasurly fashion observing necessary shift handover briefings etc.....
The new 8 hour roster is so grossly deficient of licence coverage and manpower that the local guys can hardly turn around transiting aircraft, so as a result the AOG aircraft sit there until manpower is available. There is no handover briefing because in some cases the oncoming l/h does not start work for an hour or more after the last l/h is rostered to finish.
To say there is “local disquiet” is misleading. The perth enginners are averaging $250 per week real pay reduction with the roster change. The roster is being changed on an individual basis with the Award minimum 2 days notice, so no ability to establish work/home balance.
There is no ban on overtime or higher duties, the guys are mainly getting single days off so they choose to spend it at home. They choose not to do higher duties because the lack of manpower and licence coverage makes it unattractive for the remuneration given for doing higher duties.
Company spy stick to commenting on issues and work areas you know and leave the BS for the company email spam ok!!
I]There are many tasks of a technical nature that many line station engineers are either unwilling or unable to tackle.
It is now and has allways been the norm for the "Base Camp" engineers to perform these taks where evr they may occur so they may be accomplished with a minimum of fuss.
These tasks crop up from time to time.[/I]
Flying in a bug smasher to non-maintenace port then fixing broken aircraft must not require any technical skill then!!!! Maybe “Base Camp” brothers should go and help out the unable/unwilling perth line enginners bring the AOG aircraft back.
out stations seem to have a different interpretation of "big" or "highly complex"
When outstation enginners are not being “rescued” by their “Base Camp” brothers they can manage all manner of non technical tasks like HMU’s, Rudder PCU’s, spoiler actuators an a wide array of non technical “Black Boxes”.
Work cover WA even issues them with Elevated Work Platform Licenses to get to some of the non technical tasks.
routine task carried out in Perth, then why did the locals not take the opportunity to dive into the task and make sure they took their time to aquit it in a leasurly fashion observing necessary shift handover briefings etc.....
The new 8 hour roster is so grossly deficient of licence coverage and manpower that the local guys can hardly turn around transiting aircraft, so as a result the AOG aircraft sit there until manpower is available. There is no handover briefing because in some cases the oncoming l/h does not start work for an hour or more after the last l/h is rostered to finish.
To say there is “local disquiet” is misleading. The perth enginners are averaging $250 per week real pay reduction with the roster change. The roster is being changed on an individual basis with the Award minimum 2 days notice, so no ability to establish work/home balance.
There is no ban on overtime or higher duties, the guys are mainly getting single days off so they choose to spend it at home. They choose not to do higher duties because the lack of manpower and licence coverage makes it unattractive for the remuneration given for doing higher duties.
Company spy stick to commenting on issues and work areas you know and leave the BS for the company email spam ok!!
