Wats happening to QANTAS perth
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Wats happening to QANTAS perth
Whats happening out there in perth with QANTAS. All the flights are leaving late, and is also hearing rumours of discontent with perth engineers and management?????? Is this typical of todays management. They may talk nice but arn't they still the autocratic dictatorship. Mite be time another manager bit the dust 
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an hour for a 747 to deplane 450 pax, clean, cater, reboard another 450 pax, shut the doors and go. Given it takes 20 mins jus to get everybody on and off and about 40 mins to clean and cater, you don't have to be a genius to see it ain't gonna happen!
The Rat's carry 450???
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Pictures tell a thousand words. I wonder who is "winning"?
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Crossbleed:
In China and other countries such as India if they want a quick turnaround they have a access to a much higher pool of cabin cleaners at their disposal to expedite the mission. If an aircraft needs a quick turnaround they can send another 30 cleaners to an aircraft if required.
In Australia whoever does the cleaning only has a limited amount of employees on shift so if it takes 40 minutes to clean and cater a 747 then that's what it takes.
In China and other countries such as India if they want a quick turnaround they have a access to a much higher pool of cabin cleaners at their disposal to expedite the mission. If an aircraft needs a quick turnaround they can send another 30 cleaners to an aircraft if required.
In Australia whoever does the cleaning only has a limited amount of employees on shift so if it takes 40 minutes to clean and cater a 747 then that's what it takes.
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re above post
i think i can provide a solution to qf perth's problem:-in regarding to cleaning the b747:
qantas should apply to the goverment to bring out a whole bunch of low paid foreign workers on 457 visa's- on usd$2.55 per hour- make them work 23.5 hours a day. house them all in a shipping container at the end of the airport -make them pay qf back for the cost's of bringing them out here.
hang on we already have that don't we with jq
i think i can provide a solution to qf perth's problem:-in regarding to cleaning the b747:
qantas should apply to the goverment to bring out a whole bunch of low paid foreign workers on 457 visa's- on usd$2.55 per hour- make them work 23.5 hours a day. house them all in a shipping container at the end of the airport -make them pay qf back for the cost's of bringing them out here.
hang on we already have that don't we with jq
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I remember when people enjoyed working in an airline and would do anything to ' Get the job done '. But with all the low morale and management squeezing every drop of blood out of there employees to save a $ or 2 who even tries anymore. Oneday there will be a worker revolt against management. Lookout the current management of perth your time has come. The job won't be done how you want it cos your screwing the workers. This is not India or China. There is a reason why our planes fly and its not thru management. The goodwill is almost gone, what have they done. I can only hope as a regular pax they remain on the ball but i am not hopeful.......................
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Ahhh good, we are back to the setting of undoable timescales then bagging you when you can't fulfill them. I hope those scheds were done by some specialist time manager who got paid a huge consultancy rate to "neaten up your performance". Interesting you are going into enterprise negotiations, you will probably get pulled up on your performance and told to tighten your belt or like our chinese quoting friend says, told you cannot compete with our low cost friends. Either way you and the rest of us are ..........
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Engineers are getting screwed over their rosters.
Maybe they're adopting the inflexible attitude of management or maybe they're just running out of people who give a toss!!
Maybe they're adopting the inflexible attitude of management or maybe they're just running out of people who give a toss!!
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Bungeye you are both right and wrong at the same time. Their take home pay is cut but they are still being paid as per the award.
It would also probably be true to say that the Perth LAMES are still working exactly to their award and job descriptions- no more and no less!!.
Who wins - QF, passengers, LAMES?????
The answer is No One!!!!!!!
It would also probably be true to say that the Perth LAMES are still working exactly to their award and job descriptions- no more and no less!!.
Who wins - QF, passengers, LAMES?????
The answer is No One!!!!!!!
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Mr Sheen's IR laws strike.
ACS management decide to attack the previously negotiated rostering arrangement in PER to "reduce cost" and put the wind up the rest of ACS around the country where significant change to rostering is also proposed with expected opposition.I suspect PER was chosen as this base had the predominant 4 on 4 off 12 hour shift pattern like most other bases in ACS. As no major scheduled maintenance takes place in PER the perceived impact to operations would be minimal aside from transit delays.
After protracted negotiations with a roster committee and management a vote was held on an unacceptable (I believe still 4 on 4 off but now 10.9 hours, i.e loss of pay and RDO). No surprise a resounding NO vote so management threaten a return to 8 hour shift in contravention of the EBA and the agreed 12 hour pattern. Union intervention ensues and subsequent dispute ends up in the IRC. As the laws now favour the employer an adverse judgement is handed down and wella, the 8 hour shift is implemented.
Any wonder the troops aren't happy in PER with substantial lifestyle change and depending on the licence ratings held a considerable drop in take home pay.
Well done M another section within QF engineering F#@%ed by you.
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any news on the dark days in perth
is christmas leave been cancelled
heard engineers are walking out the door.
not sure if resiging or taking a package
WA is booming and there are a lot of companies that will look after ther workers
is christmas leave been cancelled
heard engineers are walking out the door.
not sure if resiging or taking a package
WA is booming and there are a lot of companies that will look after ther workers
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The whole idea many years ago was to replace the eight hour shift plus overtime, with a twelve hour shift but no overtime.
The idea was that everyone except the federal Treasurer won. There was a slight decrease in pay - which was minimal after tax, and in return you got a long weekend.
Trouble is, QF seems to think that they can negotiate a win/lose situation with them doing all the winning, and the LAME's doing all the losing. No one at QF has obviously worked out why the rosters are what they are in the first place.
The idea was that everyone except the federal Treasurer won. There was a slight decrease in pay - which was minimal after tax, and in return you got a long weekend.
Trouble is, QF seems to think that they can negotiate a win/lose situation with them doing all the winning, and the LAME's doing all the losing. No one at QF has obviously worked out why the rosters are what they are in the first place.
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Correct YesTAM,
The lessons of history are never learnt, having had some hands on exp with Line Maint rostering, I can assure you that each imported new broom had to be educated as to why the roster and just about every other function was like it was and how it got to be that way. Was always so much easier when the new broom came from the ranks.
However, it seems that the current broom has it's own fixed ideas and is not interested in history or past experience and zealously sticks to it's textbook management style.
The rationale is "well, if we don't slash costs we will cease to exist" my question is do they really care either way. Creating the leanest operation, whether it's in house or outsourced is all there is, bottom line is whatever dovetails with the current fiscal goal.
86 years and still going.....but where?
The lessons of history are never learnt, having had some hands on exp with Line Maint rostering, I can assure you that each imported new broom had to be educated as to why the roster and just about every other function was like it was and how it got to be that way. Was always so much easier when the new broom came from the ranks.
However, it seems that the current broom has it's own fixed ideas and is not interested in history or past experience and zealously sticks to it's textbook management style.
The rationale is "well, if we don't slash costs we will cease to exist" my question is do they really care either way. Creating the leanest operation, whether it's in house or outsourced is all there is, bottom line is whatever dovetails with the current fiscal goal.
86 years and still going.....but where?
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What managers don't seem to realise about rosters, is that the times are dictated by the schedule. Now everyone knows that it will include all sorts of hours, so the people are happy to work shift work. When it comes to the rostering you can either not care, or make so it is not too bad for the people working it. From what I see at QF at the moment they either don't care or are to busy saving cents, but wasting dollars.
I'm asuming that on the previous roster sick leave wasn't too bad if it was a roster people liked. If people don't like a roster sick leave goes up, which then also has overtime worked go up. So in the end there is no saving, just p!ssed off workers. Which seems to be what they want from the contempt that are showing everyone at the moment.
Or could this change be related to the EBA negotiations? I've noticed a few little things lately happen, which could be related to this, from both sides. Only a thought.
I'm asuming that on the previous roster sick leave wasn't too bad if it was a roster people liked. If people don't like a roster sick leave goes up, which then also has overtime worked go up. So in the end there is no saving, just p!ssed off workers. Which seems to be what they want from the contempt that are showing everyone at the moment.
Or could this change be related to the EBA negotiations? I've noticed a few little things lately happen, which could be related to this, from both sides. Only a thought.
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Unfortunately, the 8 hour shift suits the company. The employee has to report to work much more often over the shift cycle. That means less o/t and the company can change start times to cover the workload. Plus they can include plenty of 0700 starts to reduce the wage average.